August 11, 2010

Father kills 15-year-old son execution-style, found guilty of second-degree murder

Posted: 01:31 PM ET

Detroit, MI - A jury of six black women, four white women, and two white men found Jamar Pinkney Sr. guilty of the lesser included of second-degree murder and three counts of assault with a deadly weapon. He showed no obvious reaction as the verdicts were read, the same emotionless face he displayed during the trial.

The jury foreperson, a 21-year-old female college student, later told In Session the initial vote was 10-2 for first-degree murder, but that the majority felt comfortable with a “compromise” after the instruction on intent was reread. 

Stay with In Session for the sentencing of Jamar Pinkney Sr. tomorrow starting at 9am ET on Tru TV!

-Lena Jakobsson, In Session Field Producer

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Melinda East   August 11th, 2010 1:35 pm ET

BULLL... it should have been first degree murder. He knew what he was going to do. He knew he was going to kill his son... Jamar Sr gets leverage while his own son gets NONE and is six feet under ground. Complete BULL.

daniel   August 11th, 2010 1:38 pm ET

Jamal Jr. was robbed of justice.

Tarani   August 11th, 2010 1:39 pm ET

I thought the closing argument of the defense was great. I don't like Jamar sr and what he did was unthinkable, but I feel the prosecution did not meet their burden of proof to convict him of 1st degree murder.

Paula   August 11th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

Seriously Ivy is this the sort of person u want in your child's life...

Cindy Parker   August 11th, 2010 1:44 pm ET

That is what he desrves how sad that he could not go to his. Sons funneral

Amber   August 11th, 2010 1:44 pm ET

He should have been found guilty of first degree murder. The little girls mother seems to not show concern either. She is upset because she feels that the lawyers should understand why he was upset. It doesn't matter, he played God and he is going to have to answer to that.

Dee PA   August 11th, 2010 1:47 pm ET

Slap on the wrist! Sentence could be between 4 and 20 years. He will probably get the 4, judging from the trial. Unbelievable! i just can't believe it wasn't first degree?

crystal   August 11th, 2010 1:47 pm ET

wat a shame.... thats all i got to say.... :(

rose   August 11th, 2010 1:56 pm ET

Jamar Pinkney Sr had gone home to sleep,wouldnt that have included taking the gun and putting it away , and yet he got drunk slept for 3 hours or so and then made a point of grilling his son ,he brushed his teeth to hide the leftover smell of alcohol but hr had every intention of commiting murder or he would have removed the gun from the picture so he would not be tempted to use it. its 1st degree murder in my book!

Connie   August 11th, 2010 2:01 pm ET

It should have been 1st degree murder, I am the parent of 3, and I don't have a favorite. this man does, and proved it. My daughter was molested, thank God not by a family member, by a close personal friend. Her molester came to my front door, about a week before the trial, and told us everything our child said was true, I could have shot him......easily. I didn't, neither I nor my husband took a gun and went to his house. He still tried to plea bargain, we didn't allow that. Taking the law into your own hands is AGAINST THAT VERY LAW!!! It has been 25 years, he is still in prison. My child grew up, and is a loving sucessful parent herself. Forgive? that is up to God, I got over it when my little girl got over it.

Sinetra   August 11th, 2010 2:02 pm ET

This is heartbreaking to be torn between kids. In the bible it says fathers will be against sons and sons will be against fathers. This world, its coming to an end. Pray and pray praying for both sides.

Mrs. Pissed off   August 11th, 2010 2:04 pm ET

I just want to say to the jury they got it wrong this time. That man new what he was doing "in the name of suppose to be LOVE" and i use that loosely.If he was going to be a father and beat the baby the could've gotten him some help but to kill him "Heck No"! That was premeditated he and his woman knows it. True enough that the little girl is innocent. Let's just hope that the judge get it right with the sentencing. To the Cherry family love is given, to the grandmother/mother my prayers are with you,also to the little girl who is innocent in all.But that guts coward of a donor may he rot in Hell!!!

Kay Lynn   August 11th, 2010 2:04 pm ET

Why is it sad he couldnt go to his sons funeral? He killed him! He has NO right to be there!

Zach   August 11th, 2010 2:05 pm ET

Jamar Sr is a hero, its a sad situation but molesters need to learn the hard way not to mess with little kids. if someone did that to my 4 year old, they would be in the ground too guaranteed.

ann   August 11th, 2010 2:06 pm ET

this is just sick!!!!!!!! should have been 1st degree!!!!!!! jamar jr. got nothing but injustice!!!!!

Jane   August 11th, 2010 2:07 pm ET

Slap on the wrist!!! The man received 30-50 years & will not be eligible for parole for 35 years!!!! I hardly call that a slap on the wrist.

Stephanie N in NY   August 11th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

my opinion was guilty for Sr. Sr. disgraced the 15yrs. of life God gave to young Jamar. He showed no remorse, and further he denied the role he played in murdering his own son. how could he during his "out of body experience" not only remember but knew exactly what he was doing with the gun (that common sense would have told him to leave at home) (Sr. stated he pointed the gun to the floor). except for the obvious. he memory was absolutely selective. true justice can only be dealt by God. still Sr. disgraced all families involved. i'm a survivor of repeated sex abuse starting from the age of 4-5. it's sad but still Sr. over reacted. his own testimony convinced me. the actions he recounts and his demeanor. my heart goes out to all of them

Kim MD   August 11th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

Very SAD situation for all involved......I hope time will help heal all wounds

stephanie baker   August 11th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

No justice for Jamar Jr. Damn shame!

annie birmingham alamaba   August 11th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

How can a father stand to hear his child beg for his life and just shot him.? i watch the trail and he showed no remosel he is a very cold hearted man and why would u want a man like that n your life

Jenn   August 11th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

I hope that he gets life with no parole just watching him on the stand yesterday he had no emotion for what he did

Teresa   August 11th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

Justice was NOT served today. Granted it's a horrible thing that happened to the little girl and my heart goes out to her. This man deliberately degraded his son beat him and then executed him. People we don't treat animals this way much less our children. It should have been first degree murder. What message are we sending to the ”other" Jamar Sr's out there?

Helenka   August 11th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

He should have been convicted of first degree murder!!!!!

Yolanda   August 11th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

A "compromise"!!??!! How do you go from a 10-2 vote for first-degree to a second-decree? I am surprised that 6 black women voted towards a second-decree.

This is why there are so many people out there, including my-self that do not have any faith in the justice system. Obviously Sr. did not believe in the justice system that is why he decided to take it into his own hands.

Intent? He asked him to strip his clothes, made the child kneel, pointed the gun to his FACE and heard his child beg for his life!! What did he INTEND to do? Give me a break!!

Laurie Woodward   August 11th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

Should have been convicted of 1st degree murder. He chose a hollow point bullet knowing it would do the most damage. He shot him execution style! Then showed no emotion. We will never know Jamar, Jr's side of what happened. What happened to the little girl was tragic. But that did not give the father the right to take his son's life.

Sandee Knight   August 11th, 2010 2:16 pm ET

1) was there a tooth brush found in the bath room?
2) why did he not get the added gun charge?

AJ Degal   August 11th, 2010 2:17 pm ET

Should have been 1st degree murder.

Has anyone looked into where the little girls lacerations came from?
Seems to me like someone at her house did something after the hospital visit – more trauma for the little girl.

karen   August 11th, 2010 2:18 pm ET

Jamar Sr did not love his son. If he had, he would have gotten him help, not killed him.

Annie Bellamy   August 11th, 2010 2:18 pm ET

I really expected 1st degree murder, but I'm glad he didn't manslaughter. He is a poor excuse for a father. After the verdict I wonder did he have another out of body experience.

yvonne barner   August 11th, 2010 2:20 pm ET

i think it should be firdst degree murder, instead of getting him help he chose to take a gun to this already heated situation and beat him,
striping him naked and shot him point blank in the says it all.

Missjoyce   August 11th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

My spirit is so troubled. How could this Murderer not be charged with 1st degree murder!!!! The JURY got this one WRONG. Nowadays you will get life for killing an animal, but for a man to kill HIS son in such a horrible way and be charged with a lesser charge, is very troubling to me. Sr. can breathe fresh air, see and hear everything that is going on around him, but Jamar Jr. can't. He can't have his first date or go to his high school prom, play sports or hang out with his friends. My heart aches for that young man. The whole incident bothers me. I am a mother of a son and I would never let his father come in my house and beat him and make him strip down and take him outside an kill him like he was a animal. Hell, no I would be the one of trial, because he would have had to kill me first before I would have let him kill my child. The JURORS GOT THIS ONE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephanie N in NY   August 11th, 2010 2:23 pm ET

how could taking a gun to an intensed family meeting not be considered reckless, and inproper. placing myself in that situation i would definately take great thought in my necssesity to carry a gun most people carry a gun when they are concerned for their own saftey. that being said the gun would have stayed home. there is never a time you pick up a gun without considering the possibilities. that was a decision he could have made before he had his out of body experience.

Theresa   August 11th, 2010 2:23 pm ET

If an actual rape occured, the signs would have been very obvious. How could this child be raped and there be no evidence. I'm not saying that something didn't happen, and that the young boy wasn't wrong ...But why kill this child? Its obvious there was no penetration, and he really didn't know what he was doing...

margaret   August 11th, 2010 2:23 pm ET

not only should Pinkney be in jail, Karonne should be right there with him. I believe Karonne was very instrumental in what occurred here.
In addition, I didn't believe a word Karonne had to say.

Ashlee   August 11th, 2010 2:24 pm ET

DISGUSTED!!!! I don't believe he didn't recieve First Degree Murder... And that fact that they felt it would be ok to say that the Juror's "Compromised" n gave him Second!! NOWAY there should be no compromise needed, this is a cold hearted fool who deserves to go away for 2 life sentences!!! UGH!

MSerotko   August 11th, 2010 2:24 pm ET

Great disappointment in the jury's decision! I believe it was definitely premeditated.

mary   August 11th, 2010 2:27 pm ET

I truly belive he got off too easy he should have got first degree and they know it .i feel he know what he was going to do befor he did it and that he had plenty of time to think about his acttions befor he went over there. but what kills me the most is how the little girls mom is actting now o hes the victim and he should have got a slap on the hand an got man saulter please get over it he got what he deserve if it was up to me he would have got the death penlty.can someone please tell her he is not the victim in dis and thats what he gets for trying to play a hero instead of going to the laws like they should have so much for being good parents.

Joe   August 11th, 2010 2:30 pm ET

I am wondering why the mother of the girl was not charged as an accessory to this crime and why the prosecution never asked her exactly what was said between her and Sr. before he went over to see Jr,

leanna   August 11th, 2010 2:30 pm ET

I think that he should got first-degree murder.because he plan the murder.he did nt snap he new what he did.I fill bad for mom and side her family going though right know.the dad did nt cry at trial and did nt say sorry 2 family.if he was lovely dad he would nt kill his child.I knw son had problem but dad should nt made son stripe down clothes and shot him in head.the son need help nt 2 be kill like that.the boy could went got help.2 family of son I am very sorry 4 ur lost.I will pray 4 yall.knw lil girl grow up mom gt 2 tell her ur brother did something wrong and her farther kill him 4 that .that all got say.

Lia James   August 11th, 2010 2:33 pm ET

The father was found guiltyof 2nd degree murder but he received a hefty sentence of 37-80 years in jail....I also put blame on family, they should have removed boy from home, they should have never let the father pistol whip him then strip him, march him to the empty lot and then shoot him....there were at least 7 people in the mother's house including herself and they sat by and watched this horror???? 7 big hefty people couldn't have stopped this one man...I don't care if he had a gun, at least if the gun would have went off accidentally, they had a better chance of surviving the gun shot wound!!!! they are all sick!

Samantha from Indiana   August 11th, 2010 2:34 pm ET

SECOND- DEGREE MURDER are you serious??? He took a gun with him to "talk"to his son?! I am a mother of two kids and I could never imagine doing anything to harm them. In my opinion with Murderer Pinkney's actions he chose one child over the other. A real man and father would have gotten their child the help they needed. How could someone do that to their own flesh and blood? It's murders like this that make me hate the whole "cruel and unusual punishment." I feel that not only should he have gotten charged with first-degree murder, but he should have the death penalty and be executed the same way as he did his son. Rest in Peace Jamar Jr. and Happy 16th Birthday....8/18/10

aboogie   August 11th, 2010 2:37 pm ET

Jamar Pinkney Sr should have gotten 1st degree murder....He makes me think he may have been the person sexually abusing his daughter all alone, if Jamar Pinkney jr would have received due process maybe some truth about who Jamar Pinkney Jr saw performing such an act would have came forward....I believe Jamar Pinkney Sr killed his son to protect him from being exposed....Just my opinion. Rot in Jail!

Velda   August 11th, 2010 2:37 pm ET

I disagree with the verdict, he should have got 1st degree muder, no questions asked.... He still didn't have any emotion when he heard the verdict.... I hope when it comes to sentence day... He gets life in jail with no chance of parole..... He is a monster, to kill ur own son..... This is a real sad store.....

Penny   August 11th, 2010 2:38 pm ET

This is a sad shame!!! Shame on Karonne Ivy!!!! She needs to be convicted too!!!! She knows/knew more than what she has told. Everything in the dark will come to the light. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

Chris   August 11th, 2010 2:39 pm ET

It is sad to see something as tragic as this. It will take awhile for those wounds to heal. The sad thing about it was it wasn't the thought of Jamar Sr hearing his son confess to humping his sister, but the voice of her mother that drove him to do what he did. We try to be realistic but passionate of this event and to take anyone's life is crazy but to actually take your child life is mind-boggling. Snapping is a reaction at that very moment, not hours later. The truth never came out of that trail because what really drove him never will be know eventhough in the back of our minds we know. I pray for him and all of those that was affected by his action.

Jack   August 11th, 2010 2:39 pm ET

The guy murdered his son. I think it's silly trying to guess what was in a killer's mind – there's too much room for "reasonable doubt." As in, "how the hell am I supposed to know what he was thinking when he pulled the trigger (and why should I care?)."

Seriously, what's the harm in executing him first thing in the morning?

SEDRICK   August 11th, 2010 2:40 pm ET

Straight miscarriage of justice. This is a disgrace of parenting and a dibocle in jurors decisions. He stripped him, took him to a vacant lot, and shot him in the face MURDER PERIOD!

Cathy from Memphis   August 11th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

I think he should get first degree murder, He kill his son cold blood he had alnight to think what he going to do. He did to his son what he do to the next person. Girlfriend watch out?

Joye   August 11th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

Wow, I am shocked. I expected him to be convicted of first- degree murder! I think that the prosecuting attorney was correct in saying that Jamar Pinkney played judge, juror, and executioner to his son, and now the jury has been so lenient with him. I am very surprised by this. At least he will have his entire life to reflect over what he has done and ask the Lord to forgive him if he hasn't done so already.

Betsy   August 11th, 2010 2:44 pm ET

I think he should get tha max on all counts since he has lived twice as long as the son he loved so much. I can't believe he told that lie about crying the night before he killed his son. He never even had a single tear for his son or his sons family.

Tonya   August 11th, 2010 2:45 pm ET

I can not even bring myself to say his name, but he will get the beat down of his life while he sit in jail. I believe he plan to kill his son once he talk to Koronne Ivey. Koronne was putting things in his head about when are u going to spend time with me and our daughter, and she kept drilling this in his head everytime he came around and he got sick of her mouth.
Because he wanted to be with her and she gave him a choice "me and our daughter" or you can't see your daughter. Koronne said "he love his son to death".. How could he let a woman come between him and his son?
Jamar Jr was here before her. If she was any kind of women she would understand not to come between a man and his son. Just looking at her on the stand made me sick, and looking at him made me even more sick to my stomach. I hope the judge give him the MAX when it is time for sentencing.

I am sad that he did not get "FIRST DEGREE MURDER"

carolyn   August 11th, 2010 2:47 pm ET

pinkney Sr testified that he followed his son into the field and the boy went to his knees on his own and the father then shot him in the head (as if he shot him from behind) making it seem more spontaneous. The autopsy and eye witness testimony showed that jamar Sr was facing hiis son and looking into his face and eyes as he pulled the trigger. i would think that would have made the 1st degree murder verdict more likely if it had been attention. i am really surprised that this excellent prosecutor miss this and allowed his inaccurate testimony to give the manslaughter verdict more weight.

Debbie Fink   August 11th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

What I don't understand is why nobody talked about how this defendant and his ex-wife raised a 15-year-old pedophile!

First he raises a sick child, then he kills him.

This defendant should have been shot by a firing-squad. He was an unwanted child who turned into an unwanted adult.... who then raised an unwanted son who turned into a child pedophile. This is really sick stuff!

VICTORIA   August 11th, 2010 2:53 pm ET

I feel like Jamar, Sr. had a lot of edging on by the child's mother. Remember they had broken up so maybe he still wanted to get back with her. He always seemed to have more of an emotional attachment to his daughter because he always said "my daughter". If there wasn't any "mess" between the mothers, then why couldn't someone had been rational enough to say, let's talk. Get Jamar, Jr. into counseling but instead I think Jamar, Sr. had been pushed over his limits even before he went to the house. This man doesn't need numbers, he needs life. Don't worry he won't be harassed in prison, he will be feared because they will look at him and say "if he killed his own son, you know he will kill you". I really hope the victim's mother is satisfied now.

michelle   August 11th, 2010 2:54 pm ET

He should have got first degree murder he came there to kill him....and the lil girl moms had something to do with this and I can just feel it in my bones.....and they both will. Pay for it......bless ms. Cherry and her Jr.

mary   August 11th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

ive seen alot of trials but this one by far is the saddest and my thoughts and prays go out to both familys .i my self have 3 young men and i pray i never have to go threw anything like this. i pray the judge gives him the highest sentence that he can for dis crime. and to the defence lawyer if i ever need a good lawyer i will be sure to look u up cus u are a dang good lawyer

Liz   August 11th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

My question is, where was mother. If my husband had ordered my son to strip, i would have intervened immediately and i would have sent the boy to his room and told the father, "that is enough, stop right there, we will call the police and take it from there." In this case, the mother failed the child also. I would have fought the husband tooth and claw before i'd have allowed the father to order the child to strip.

C K Coleman   August 11th, 2010 2:58 pm ET

I disagree with most of these comments. It has been proven over and over again by professionals and I believe it, that ONCE A RAPIST of small children ALWAYS a RAPIST of small children! Mr. Pinkney was wrong for killing his son but he may have saved the lives of many small children! He may have saved your child or my granddaughter or grandson! My main thoughts and prayers are for Mr. Pinkney's little 3 year old daughter who may not ever get over being raped by sick brother! The whole event is so SAD! Noone wins here!

Pat   August 11th, 2010 2:59 pm ET

I think he went to his car to get a "toothbrush" (more bullets to make sure he could get the job done right because the gun wasn't fully loaded).

Bridgett   August 11th, 2010 2:59 pm ET

I have asked ten friends and they indicated they would have come close to the same conclusion as Mr. Pinkney. This man was a good father with a blameless record before this crime. Your commentor are not mentioning that Mr. Pinkney Sr.was taking medication during the trial that is why he has no emotions. I hate the the prosecutor lessen the rape of the little girl just to bring her father down.
I believe Mr. Pinkney maybe able to receive a new trial because of the judge responded to the way the family members shouted out during the trial. He was completely wrong. This should not have happen in the court house.

R Lips   August 11th, 2010 3:00 pm ET

Everyone forgets the fact that this 15 yr old raped a 3 year old, he was 12 years older than she and if he were not caught, trust me, he would have done it again. He was the makings of a pedophile. So of course to hear that and to visualize that would have sent any parent into a rage. Not saying it was right to kill his son. If that gun was not present at the time this situation would be different. 1st degree is acceptable, because he will live with this the rest of his life. And we are only human and it 's no different from the woman who killed her five kids for no reason and guess what her sentence wasn't so harsh.

Dren   August 11th, 2010 3:00 pm ET

This man is obviously in shock. He has "flat-lined" in order to deal with the terrible events in his life. He is unable to express what is there because he is in denial. Those of us with mental illness in our families are much more sensitive to these issues. He's suffering and when he finally fully recovers, he'll need to be watched for suicide.

Rachel   August 11th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

It is a very widely held belief that sexual offenders cannot be rehabilitated.... is it possible that this man in his own warped mind felt that he was showing his son love by being the one to prevent him from doing any more harm? Perhaps he thought this was his responsibility. We may see it as a young boys curiosity... but what if he saw it as his son's first sexual deviancy... against a 3 year old baby. I'm certainly not justifying what this father did... but could it be that by consistantly asking him "did you violate my daughter?" that he was making SURE it was true before he delivered his judgement? I see his emotionless face on TV and know that this man has made a choice that he can barely live with, but for whatever reason, he believes he did it out of love.

lynette   August 11th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

Jamar Pinkney Sr is heartless and cruel to take your only son life is beyond words i can only pray for jamar jr family and hope one day they can heal. Mr.Pinkney deserve life in jail because his son life was stolen from him.

CynthiaV   August 11th, 2010 3:02 pm ET

When I observe the courtroom case and listen to the comments from the listening audience, I could not believe some of the comments. First and foremost I believe this man love his son. Like most human beings in black embodiment, we sometimes go too far when it comes to disclpling our children. I do not believe Jamar Sr. intenionlly when to the home of his son to kill him, he ended up killing him because he had the gun on his body or available to himsself. Often if you carry a gun the opportunity might arise when you might rely on the gun to end the conversation. This is what he did. When an act is set into motion it;s like rolling a wheel down a hill, you sometimes cannot stop the flow of momentum.

Deja   August 11th, 2010 3:02 pm ET

How could a father kill his own flesh and blood? I believe that although he pulled the trigger, he allowed his girlsfriends jealousy of his relationship with his son to inflence his actions. He will never know a day of peace again in his life. He should have received 1st degree murder.

carlos   August 11th, 2010 3:02 pm ET

Jamar pinkney SR
That wrong the way this person did to he's own child now he should pay not with a life sentence but with his own life he shouldn't of never had kids what a waste of life!!! I HOPE SOME ONE UP THERE FORGIVE YOU. U R

jackie   August 11th, 2010 3:03 pm ET

We'll I guess I'am the only one who see's this differently, I did not necessarily think he didn't show any emotion as much as he looked drugged to me as if he was on a lot of anti-depressent's. I have 3 children I would hope and pray to God this is not something I could snap and do but who in the world knows how you would react to something like this I could never be a judge on this case !!

icephene morris   August 11th, 2010 3:03 pm ET

personally i think he deserve first degree murder.he know what he was doing the boy was a child that confuss and told the truth.he beat him then shot him in the face.hes going to get it in jail god dont like ugly.and that woman knew what he was going to do.she need to be locked up to.shes going to get it to.she didnt like that boy.

Tasha   August 11th, 2010 3:04 pm ET

Jamar Sr and his girlfriend should have left it alone when the doctor didnt find anything.... Its very very sad.... God sits high and look low... Jamar Sr left the devil take over....Children dont ask to come in the world.... I pray for both families (Jamar Jr mom and family and Jamar Sr grandparents)..... He made a horrible mistake....That would never bring his son back....

Vi Mcdaniel   August 11th, 2010 3:05 pm ET

In the Pinkney case chances are that the three year old child will not remember anything that happened to her by her brother. The father shooting his son is going to affect her more than what the brother ever did. Because now she is going to grow up without a father and brother. She is going to grow up and ask where is my father and the mother is going to have to say he is in prison. Then the daughter is going to ask for what. The mother is going to say he is in prison for killing your brother for humping on you when you were three years of age. This going to really affect her. How many people remember what they did at the age of three? I don't remember anything before the age of 6 or 7. This was a senseless killing, Jamar Jr. could have gotten help. Had is parents talked to him about the facts of life before this happened? Probably not, he was just curious about sex.

CynthiaV   August 11th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

When a person goes to jail, that act along does not make a balance back to life for the substance and energy which has been thrown out of balance. In other words when we do something in life good, which is positive and others benefit from its action or is it is negative( which means only the doer benefits from it, we all receive what we have sown. Either now or later, only life which is God can and will say how we will make a balance back to life for the life we have thrown out of balance.

GEORGE J. KEOUGH   August 11th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

Brings the gun with him to see his child in the field and he knew fine well what he was going to do with that gun and without a doubt this shows intent to kill. Why did he bring his gun? I see "intent" was the legal issue here. May he receive the max sentence on the second degree verdict. This poor child could have got help but his father could have cared less. He has yet to be judge by his creator. The young boy, God knows his reasons why and the Lord will judge the boy too like a father would his son. The young girl the Lord will find away to help her too.

Niko   August 11th, 2010 3:07 pm ET

Wow I missed the verdict but see he got off with second degree and not first. What ashamed and a shot in the heart to Jamal's mother, maternal grandmother, and Aunt. I pray everytime he close his eyes he see's his son and he has nightmares that he is being dragged in a field naked with a gun pointed at him. Does anyone know what time he gets or that is left up to the judge?

baldman   August 11th, 2010 3:10 pm ET

The emotional effects of finding out you son is your daughters molester, had to be mentally overwhelming. then to realize what you did for justice without mercy. Of course he had a flat affect. how many of us could say what we would do if it was us. A life time in jail with concelling still may not help our mind settle around the loss of a son and the permanent damage to the daughters pschy.As a father i have always sworn that if someone anyone raped my child that would meet justice at my own swift hand. But i never thought of that person being another of my children. Maybe with time and therapy the father will understand what he has done.

Lytricia   August 11th, 2010 3:13 pm ET

This is a sad situation. Nobody wins in this case. I heard serveral callers call in with thier opinions which we all have them but we have to remember that the Jury has to go on FACTS only. I also heard a lady ask the defense attorney how in the world could he represent this evil man. Well I think defense attorneys are really there to make sure thier rights are not violated not to get them off. God bless this family!!!!

veronica martinez   August 11th, 2010 3:14 pm ET

how can a father kill his own flesh in blood i mean his son named after him, he needs to be put away for life like he did his son except he took his, that a shame wonder what he feels inside i hope he gets it.

carmen   August 11th, 2010 3:15 pm ET

He should have got first degree he killed his son and he knew what he was doing. He shoud spend the rest of his life in jail with no contact with his family or friends

Thelma (Montgomery, AL)   August 11th, 2010 3:16 pm ET

The verdict in my opinion was fair everyone is so concerned about how Sr. looked and sat there BUT no one knows how many sleepless nights he has endured and the tears that has been shed, it's his son for God's sake and the act was not on purpose it is an unfortunate accident that got out of control. He is hurting in his heart and it will never go away.

nyeshia   August 11th, 2010 3:17 pm ET

What is really going on. Any man that can brutaly beat his own child , have him strip to humiliate him walk out the door across the street to an empty lot completly naked and then shoot him n the head/face and then walk away should be charged with 1st degree murder. How could they have possibly charged him with second degree murder where he's probaby not going to serve no more that 20 years. Anyone can see that killing his son don't bother him at all if he can sit in court showing no kind of remorse not even after seeing how hurt Jamar Jrs. mother and grandmother was during their testemony. Thats not going to do anything but have more cold hearted people kill their kids, pleading temporary insanity hopeing that they get off as easy as Jamar Sr. did. May God bless this family and may Jamar Jr. Rest IN Peace.

C.L. Stogner   August 11th, 2010 3:17 pm ET

I'm wondering about Ms.Ivey. It seems to me that she may have been the fuel in this fire. She refused to believe the ER doctor and went to a second Dr (which was her right) but it seems to me that she was gonna keep looking until she got the answer she wanted. Yes, up until the point of pulling the trigger, Sr. could have walked away at anytime. BUT I still think that had he not had a bug in his ear (i.e. Ms.Ivey) things may not have escalated to the extent that they did.

E.Sloan   August 11th, 2010 3:20 pm ET

again like I said earlier no one can say what they will do in that situation, I dont like what he did, he got what he deserve he didnt plan to kill him he had permission to carry a gun and how a person demeanor is shouldnt matter everyone is different.

diana   August 11th, 2010 3:22 pm ET

Jamar Pinkney is guilty as hell on first degree how can a father and a take his own childs life the way he did its sad and my heart goes out to the mother to witness this may god be with you and your family and give you the strength to get through this and as far as jamar may you have sleepless nite you will meet your making sooner then you planned on too.

lorenzia   August 11th, 2010 3:22 pm ET

jamar sr slap on the wrist a damn shame so it is ok 2 kill his son were is the law when you need it he is a cold heart killer he kille is son he will kill a agin how is it fair jamar is 6 feet under with a hole in his head and sr get sleep eat and live i am dispoint cause he want 2 kill jr he did and he sat there told that lie the law fail 2 today he have could the death roll better yet make him get nake then shot him eye for a eye,

Dianna   August 11th, 2010 3:25 pm ET

Not pleased with the verdit but at least he was charged with murder and hopefully during sentencing the judge does not show him any mercy and give him the maximum sentence allowed by law.

Amy Z   August 11th, 2010 3:26 pm ET

I'm glad he only got 2nd degree. He killed a child molester. I feel bad that it was his own son, but his son molested his 3 YEAR OLD SISTER. If I were the parent, I'd lose it too.

Carol   August 11th, 2010 3:27 pm ET

I'm satisfied with the verdict, although hoping for 1st degree. What I ponder upon is even though he had a permit to carry a gun, most people would normally have it holstered. Not to mention there was no threat to him in that house. But instead he stuffed it in his pants, indicating to me that he was going in there to possibly kill his son. I'm not sure his meditation was formed many hours before, I think that he was tired of going around with his son about the details, and when he went to his car, he thought, this is enough! My son is a liar, and a molester, and he needs to die. When he left the scene, I think from watching his testomy, that he knew that he commited a terrible crime, and that he felt the need to see his daughter, before going to jail for a very long time. None of these behaviors show a snapping response! Looking at his lack of feeling, I think he said to himself that his son had to die, and I am willing to go to jail for life.....

Wendy   August 11th, 2010 3:29 pm ET

WHAT>>> WHAT ??????? 2nd degree .. no way .. In my book he should have the book thrown at him/ pardon the pun ..RIP Jamar jnr. there will be justice one way or another ...

Rosa   August 11th, 2010 3:29 pm ET

It should have been first degree he knew exactly what he was doing

michelle   August 11th, 2010 3:32 pm ET

This was 1st degree murder, plain & simple. Let's just hope and pray that this man is confined to the worst prison in Michigan and that his sentence(s) are 20 on the murder and the max on all the asault charges. This man is pure "Evil" . don't care what letters and blah, blah, blah, friends, family and co-workers the defensive drum up. If this society really cares about their children as they claim to, this man will get Life in Prision with the combine charges.

Eric   August 11th, 2010 3:33 pm ET

James Pinkney Sr deserves the Death Penalty

Alyssa L.   August 11th, 2010 3:35 pm ET

I cannot believe what I'm reading here ! How often do we here/say "If I could get my hands on the "mutha bleep" that would hurt a child ,........" So suddenly because a father makes the decision to do the unthinkable,take the life of his own to avenge the stolen innocence of his daughter, we are all shocked , really ? Was it tragic , horrible ,no more horrible than a teenage brother who should protect his 3 yr old sister at all cost turning into the monster /predator that would do her harm. What was HE thinking ? How could he look at her in such a way , his baby sister ? In my opinion he was warped and dangerous and from what we see again and again with this type of crime , was likely to repeat it again in the future.None of us really know how we would react .

adajo   August 11th, 2010 3:37 pm ET

1st degree murder. I don't think Jamar Jr did anything if a child is badgered, questioned threatened long enough they will admit to anything so you will leave them alone (adults have before when questioned by police) I think there would be brusing or injury from humping. If he admitted it, I would be wondering what I or we did wrong. A child is not born a child molester. God forgive them if he & his girlfriend let him die a child molester when they know he is not, If they had accused my son they better have proof, especially after the ER report. They would not have been allowed to question & threaten him Jamar Jr's mother is a much nicer & more reasonable person than I am. May God be with her & her family.

cliff   August 11th, 2010 3:37 pm ET

he should rot in jail

matt   August 11th, 2010 3:37 pm ET

there is no way thats not murder in the first degree he knew what he was doing and he had no remorse justice was not served in this case

renee   August 11th, 2010 3:40 pm ET

speechless...i mean, whatever happened to his sense of responsibility and compassion for his son who clearly was suffering from pdychological issues to have done that to his baby sister in the first place,..this grown man (pickney sr) somehow, after much thought and questioning still rationalized beating, undressing and ultimately executing his son despite the boy's desperate was cold and premeditated and should have been 1st degree

Anna   August 11th, 2010 3:43 pm ET

This is horrible, he should have been convicted of 1st degree murder.

John   August 11th, 2010 3:47 pm ET

It seems because Pinkney killed his own son he got off lighter than if he had killed someone else's son. Still looks like 1st degree murder to me.

nicole   August 11th, 2010 3:50 pm ET

Jamar Jr.....ROBBED AGAIN!! Boy, we had brushing our teeth on our mind, but NEVER did we have putting the gun away, on our mind! Burn SENIOR Burn!

Gloria   August 11th, 2010 3:51 pm ET

I did not here all of the trial, so I may not have all of the information to consider my summation of this terrible, tragic, lost of a young life, and a loss of the other child's father. I cannot imagine this incident being the only thing that has happened to cause this outcome. Sexual molestation usually is not discovered on the first incident. My thoughts are what have taken place in the past with this father and son that would have him quietly in raged to commit such an act. Teenagers can be very difficult to raise at times. My question is what kind of past did the father and son have to cause him to let this incident cause him to kill his own son? This seems to me as thought the father was letting other incidents build up and bleed over into other occurrences until when this happen his rational response was gone.

Vee   August 11th, 2010 3:52 pm ET

I watched this case from start to finish and at no point did I see this so-called man shed one tear for his dead son. When on the stand he mentioned he "knew at that point my life was over". What about your dead son? What about his mother? She'll never see her son graduate, marry or have a family. I don't know what the jury was thinking giving this cold-blooded murderer the verdict they did. It's make me very disappointed with the so-called justice system.

Deborah   August 11th, 2010 3:52 pm ET

Jamar Sr. may have been convicted on 2nd degree murder but he got better than his son "a death sentence" without a trial. At least he will be breathing for many years to come. The entire trial was troubling and I feel Jamar Jr. was robbed of a 1st degree conviction. I believe Karonne played a part here in encouraging Jamar Sr. to "act" and "protect" their daughter and things escalated from there. Interesting that Karonne would not let her own pediatrician question the child himself about the sexual allegations. Karonne's testimony seemed suspect to me. Sad thing is, Jamar Sr will be out of his little girls life for many years to come. Jamar Jr. is resting in peace now–nothing can ever hurt him again but it seems that Karonne and her daughter have been hurt from these unfortunate circumstances of events. Why does a father need to have a gun when confronting his own son in his own home? He took the gun because he planned on using it and he did!

kadija pullum   August 11th, 2010 3:57 pm ET

It was a really bad thing that occured between son and the daugthter. No person should have to go through what she did. Even from a family member. But why add more tragedy to those involved. When you could had gotten your son help. He asked for help and forgiveness from a father who could care less for the child, apparently. You forsaken your son and show the child no mercy no kind of love, I feel that you should burn for all eternity and I think that they should really reconsider the verdict. And give you life imprison so you can think about what you did to your son and so you can re-live in your mind what you did and not be able to forget the tragedy that you cause. You forsaken your son who loved you only to murder him later.

Tammi   August 11th, 2010 3:57 pm ET

He should have gotten first degree. What a shame that he will someday walk free. What kind of world do we live in? He should be made to take off his clothes and knell in the center of town with a gun pointed at him. I feel you should get done to you as you had done to the victim. To Cindy P. What are you thinking? He should not have been able to go to his sons funeral. He Killed Him ! God Bless the childs Mom. Maybe with any luck his daughter will be an adult befor he gets out and can hide from him so he doesn't kill her when and if the going gets tough to be her parent.

Helen   August 11th, 2010 3:59 pm ET

How could the "intent" not be as per described in the Jurors' interpretation manual? I am shocked and dismayed...I'd sure like to see a copy of those descriptions, especially; if it proved 10-2 Jurors' were wrong in their initial decision?!

Anthony Barnes   August 11th, 2010 4:00 pm ET

Jamal Pinkney,Sr. got off easy. He deliberately brought an illegal loaded weapon to a family meeting concerning allegations that his son had molested his 3 yr. old half-sister. Upon the son's confession,the father coldly and methodically beat him,threatened anyone who interfered with death,stripped him of all his clothes,marched him outside in the cold of winter and shot him point blank in the face. His son's apology and pleas for mercy before he shot him were lost on him. He showed no remorse and shed not a single tear during the entire trial,not even when he got up on the stand to testify. His coldness during the trial goes a long way to explain how he could murder his own son like that and the last thing I buy is that a man that cold lost his head and killed his son in a fit of passion. Not a man like that. This man should be locked up for the rest of his life with no chance of parole and should have been convicted of 1st degree murder. He is not fit to be in civilized society. Prison is where him and his ilk belong. God have mercy on his evil soul. I sincerely doubt that he ever truly loved his son. So sad. So sickening. So outrageous.

lilrdvet2   August 11th, 2010 4:06 pm ET

I'd be willing to bet all of you that are saying Jamar was robbed of justice are all posting on some child rapist/molester's murder trial board that "they can't be cured and should all be killed"...Perhaps his father thought the same thing and feared his 15-year-old son was going to grow up to be an adult child rapist/molester and decided to save a lot of people the pain and sorrow that goes along with it...

While I would never have dreamed of doing such a thing to my child...I can only imagine having to come to terms with finding out your own flesh and blood raped/molested your own flesh and blood...I think the verdict was the correct one...if this had not been his son, but rather a neighborhood kid that raped/molested his 3-year-old'd all be cheering that he got rid of that piece of trash and that this verdict was just... you can't have it both ways people...

Lori   August 11th, 2010 4:09 pm ET

This whole situation is just heart sickening from the beginning to the end. I feel for all involved. With that being said, please don't mis- understand me– I in no way condone what Mr. Jamar Pinkney Sr. has done, but could see the possibility Of something like this happening if they were overcome with their emotions. Doesn't make it right but possible. I also disagree with the general consensus concerning the lack of emotion Mr. Pinkney displayed during the trial. Looking into his face & eyes I could see a deeply troubled gentleman. This trial has left me feeling troubled for all parties... It is my prayer, God will touch and strengthen all parties involved... There are no winners here just alot of hurting people. May God bring healing to each of their lives. And Yes, Mr. Jamar Pinkney Sr. as well.

Karen   August 11th, 2010 4:14 pm ET

Why didn't the victums mother try to stop what was going on. She supposedly witnessed the beating and stripping of her son. She stood by and did nothing until it was all over.

whitney   August 11th, 2010 4:16 pm ET

I think that Jamar Pinkney Sr. show have got first degree he knew that he was going to kill his son and i believe that the little girl mom had something to do with that. God bless Jamar Pinkney Jr. family.

Antionette   August 11th, 2010 4:17 pm ET

My thought is: I feel that it was first degree murder because Jamar Pinkney Sr. took a gun to talk to his 15 yr old son was intent. Jamar Pinkney Sr. was going to use the gun for a reason. Why would someone need to bring a gun to talk to their 15 yr old son? He should have got first degree murder.

tanya giovanni   August 11th, 2010 4:25 pm ET

the verdict wasnt fair and he deserved the death penalty , he deserve the same treatment that he did his son

Sheree   August 11th, 2010 4:26 pm ET

I agree wit Amber & Paula..Ivvey has no remorce 4 wht Sr did she actually to me acts like thts what she wanted 2 happn...tht child needed help not the death penalty & I am OUTRAGED by some comments made tht Jr got wht he deserved.SO SAD

Nita   August 11th, 2010 4:26 pm ET

As an attorney, I believe that when a jury comes up with a "compromise" verdict the verdict is never correct and justice is never achieved. When there is a "compromise" verdict the jurors obviously did not follow the judge's instructions to apply the appropiate law to their true view of what the evidence, as presented, actually proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

As a result, everyone associated with this case got cheated!!!!!!!!!

nanci   August 11th, 2010 4:32 pm ET

well I hope he gets at least 20 to 30 years, and the charges that he pointed the gun at the little boy's mother and sister will also add on to the second degree charges, so he might be looking at 20 years which he deserves. I dont think he love the boy, because why would he kill the boy just like that. I think he put a woman in front of his child, and he wanted to please the little girl's mother, because days after he and she was trying to cash in on the insurance he took out on his son. I hope that insurance money goes to the mother of the boy, because she has to live with that pain, and every time she pass by his school, or see things he used to do, its going to bring more pain for her. I really hope he gets at least 20 years, and for the assault on the two women and the grandmother, another 6 or 8 years.

Rene   August 11th, 2010 4:34 pm ET

This was 1st degree murder period. The fact that he even took that gun in a very emotional situation like that shows intent. Prosecutor I think failed to bring that point home. Defense didn't prove any heat of passion either so it's a wash. This was a cold and calculated act. The stripping of this child naked and marching him outside to his death shows extreme malice. With that sentencing will be harsh I am sure of that. Pinkney will never see the light of day again. He will wish in the end he took that deal.

charmaine   August 11th, 2010 4:44 pm ET

crying damm shame that this animal deceided that he was gonna play judge and killed his son so coldblooded! where is the justice for Jr. the jury was so wrong.This is a serious disjustice to that little boy> and oh yeah why were they so interested in the insurance policy! he will have to answer to a higher power!! he sholud be going to jail for life so he could rott and think about Jamal! instead he"ll be able to do his time and still raise "His daughter" not fair at all.

Jewel Brown   August 11th, 2010 4:48 pm ET

You know, you need to ask yourself what would you have done if your son, father, brother or friend admitted to raping your little girl. I say that he should never had ask him for the details he couldn't handle the true. I have a son and if anyone would of done that to my son I wouldn't know what to do. I see regret all in his face he has come to terms with what he has done and has excepted what ever happens to him because he can't take it back. I'm sad for the family.

brandy   August 11th, 2010 4:48 pm ET

I never thought that he was going to get off as he shouldnt but what ever sentence he gets it wont compare to the hell I believe he's living in you can see it on his face he had no emotion either way .I believe when he took his son life he didnt care what happened next.I feel sorry that the mother had to watch her son get killed but I feel sorry for the little girl you guys are making it seem like this boy was an angel NOT he violated his own little three yr old sister his father seen him for the MONSTER he was.Why didnt the women call the police when the father started to beat the boy because they knew he deserved. What sweet respectful little boy humps on his little sister her innocence is gone. If I was on the jury my vote would have been NOT GUILTY.

Alisha   August 11th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

I feel like jamar sr should have been found guilty of first degree murder. He knew what he was going to do when he went to jamar jr.s house. He back out to his car to get the gun well thats how i feel. I just cant believe the brushing my teeth thing. I feel like it was to catch everyone off guard when he went in the bathroom. I feel sorry for the sister. But who made him god!! He gets no praises from me. He should get life!!!

taleah   August 11th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

There is a difference between the law and the lord.The law tell's Jamar Sr on a daily basis [in this case the law just happens to be the united states postal service ].The postal service tell's you that permit or not,you must not bring any weapons on postal property.A conscience decision he has to make everyday.However,on the otherhand ,the LORD say's " That the six things that the LORD hates;yea,seven are an abomination unto him:A proud look, A lying tongue,and hands that shed innocent blood".which of these laws did not jamar Sr break.He broke them all.He cared more about SELF than anybody else.

Dianna   August 11th, 2010 4:53 pm ET

I think thats Bull. He should've gotten 1st degree. Justice was not served for Jamar Jr. It was pretty obvious that man went over there with the intentions of killing his son and now that jury will have to live with the decision they made. Jamar Sr will get his real sentence when he faces the MAN upstairs...

chanel   August 11th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

Sad very sad,this little boy needed help not a bullet,too bad the parents weren't smart enough to realize that!

Sherry Cordova   August 11th, 2010 5:01 pm ET

How many years is he facing? I watched the entire trial very sad, he didn't show any emotions.

jigs   August 11th, 2010 5:04 pm ET

I watch the trail i felt sr pain the info he tried to get from his son didnt add up. the mother&family cover up the rape on his daug they should hav called the cops when herd the acuse its to late he wanted to hurt his father Sr sacrfice his life/daug/son not 1st degree.......

shanika   August 11th, 2010 5:08 pm ET

SAD, SAD, SAD, God rest Jamar Jr. Jamar Sr. committed 1st degree murder. In my opinion, he went to the house armed with a gun and pressured Jr to admit to something that he really didn't do. He (Sr) knew exactly what he was going to do. In other words, Sr went to the house with intent to kill. He done just that.

Naomi   August 11th, 2010 5:10 pm ET

Considering all of the facts, Jamar,Sr. Will spend the remainder of his life with memories of what happened. We are not GOD (thank GOD)...Mr. Pinkney will face HIM on Judgement Day!!

Chris   August 11th, 2010 5:10 pm ET

I think people like Jamar are going to put justice in there own hands because the sytem has failed. DCF as we all know SUCKS! Jamar has probably done society a favor by killing this little thug. He can't hurt anyone now!

Giselle   August 11th, 2010 5:14 pm ET

this case is very very sad. i kno wht it is like to be hurt by a family member and the hatred that you will feel in your heart. i think jamar was just protecting his daughter and that is what you are suppose to do as a parent. i dont think he should have took his life but when you have kids and someone hurts them you have to protect them whether its a stranger or another family member..

Ruth   August 11th, 2010 5:18 pm ET

Pinkey Sr. is guilty of 2nd degree murder, which I believe to be just.
While it is true that he has not shown any emotion whatsoever, no one knows what hell he is going throught and will have to live with the rest of his life.

His son is dead. By Sr.'s own hand. He will not be there to raise his daughter. He has destroyed both families forever. He will forever be known as a murderer. Of his own son. Of a child. For this, the general population in prison, will not let him survive unharmed.

I feel for both families and they are in my prayers.

michelle   August 11th, 2010 5:18 pm ET

i feel jamar pinkney has no feeling towards his son and it showed in the trial but my real concern is about the little girl claimed that it was a raped when there is NO evidence of that from the hospitial records. I really feel that the jury should had said G U I L T L Y !!!! of 1st degree MURDER that will have been the altermate decision . Hope he gets the max in a secound degree verdict. GOD BLESS jamar Pinkey jr. mother who has to face the fact the person a child can trust is his PARENT who in turn took is life how SAD!!!

Taralyn   August 11th, 2010 5:21 pm ET

what happen was the jury watching the same case that i was i can't believe it>

Sue   August 11th, 2010 5:25 pm ET

I am SHOCKED with that verdict he should of got first degree murder.
He beats him up like that wasn't enough then he has him strip and has him go out to the lot next door totally naked anf then shoots him after the poor kid is screaming no daddy and he just shoots him like he was rapid dog what kind of messge are we sending to these MURDERS it's ok to Kill someone nad they get murder in the 2nd .

Wayne N. of Co. Springs   August 11th, 2010 5:28 pm ET

You know, it takes all kinds of people to make up a society. That's a given, but there are always those people who just do not get it. The two jurors who would not convict this criminal of first degree murder should take a long look in the mirror. Anyone who shoots another person, who is not armed and poses no threat to him or her does not deserve to be given the benefit of any kind of doubt. Jamar Jr. was wrong for what he did to his little sister, BUT HE WAS NOT "DEAD WRONG" Shame on those two jurors who was not brave enough to do the right and just thing. Also shame on the other ten who did not have the courage of their convictions.

Heather   August 11th, 2010 5:32 pm ET

Although I did not see the entire coverage of the trial, I believe that 2nd degree murder was an acceptable verdict in this case. Although Mr. Pinkney's affect throughout the portions of the trial I was able to view seemed "odd," and what he did to his son was not only horrific but also unnecessary, I must say as a parent I at least can empathize with the situation he found himself in when his son admitted to some type of sexual contact with his half sister. If Mr. Pinkney truly believed that his son had raped her, I can imagine not only his disbelief, but also his inner conflict and rage at the entire situation. A trial I watched many, many years ago included a mother who shot and killed her son's abuser while he was on trial in the courtroom. As a parent, I would find it extremely difficult to not be filled with rage if someone had abused my child. However, since this was a case involving his own son, as a parent I would never have been able to do something like that to my own child, even if what they did was wrong.

Diana   August 11th, 2010 5:34 pm ET

I think he should have been charged with involuntary manslaughter!
Nobody knows how they will act until they have been in this position.
I had a daughter molested at 2 years old, where she also contracted gonorrhea and clamidia. I can tell you I snapped to the more I thought about what happened, and had I seen him in the front of my car I would have ran him over and backed up the car and continued to run him over.

I never got to the point as I didnt see him until court. 2 and 3 year olds don't know how to lie about this type of assult! Has anyone thought about the fact that this boy is not a child, but a nearly grown man with an obsession for children, a preditor has been taken off the streets, this may sound cold, and I am sorry for the mother, and families involved in their loss, but I have been in this position, and can highly relate to this man and the thought of him snapping in a moments notice.

cc   August 11th, 2010 5:42 pm ET

although this individual should have been convicted of first degree or some form of aggravated murder,I personally think the prosecutor did an excellent job and I'm sure there are others who feel the way I do. We're very proud of her

Darcy from Denver   August 11th, 2010 5:43 pm ET

It definately should have been first degree murder!! What a travesty . Our judicial system is just a joke. Jamar jr. is in a better place and much safer than with a person like that monster that took his life and pretends he "snapped" oh please!!!

perry   August 11th, 2010 5:44 pm ET

i cant believe this. it WAS murder. what a shame. should have been
first degree murder.

Ann   August 11th, 2010 5:46 pm ET

This is terrible. He should have gotten 1st degree murder. He wil probably spend two or three years in jail for killing his son. How sad.

Linda Madera   August 11th, 2010 5:49 pm ET

How could a jury compromise on 2nd degree murder? It was 10 for 1st and 2 for second.....they should have taken the time to talk it out more.... not give in to the 2 who didn't think it was pre-meditated.....

There is no way this wasn't pre-meditated....from the point he pulled out the gun until the time he made him kneel in the lot.....he he had time to think about what he was doing while the gun was in his hand..... If the jury convicted him on the charges of assault against the 3 women, they should have convicted him on 1st degree murder....
When Sr. woke up that morning he made a conscience decision to take that gun with him knowing what he was goint to deal with that day.. ..

Lawless   August 11th, 2010 5:52 pm ET

the justice system really failed that young man, the so called father planned to kill the boy and it seemed to me from all the testimony that he was doing it to satisfy the daughters mothers rage. wrong verdict, clear case of pre-meditated first degree murder.

Germaine Watkins   August 11th, 2010 5:53 pm ET

I am sorry that the verdict wasnt first degree mudrer i think JAMAR SR is a cold blooded killer of his son.....

Dorothy   August 11th, 2010 5:59 pm ET

If there is anyone reading this, this man needs to get life in prison. Jamar Jr. didn't get a chance at his life it was cut short . He should have gotten first degree murder any way. He had plenty of time to not do what he did Somebody please send this man to prison for life please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I don't feel sorry for him at all, he is a cold, cold, hearted killer.

SHELLY   August 11th, 2010 5:59 pm ET

Justice,HUH!! He needs to be put to death in the same manner he murdered his son.The jury was weak,1st degree should have stuck. I don't feel sorry for Mr. Pinkney.He showed no emotion in court, it's obvious he is a cold blooded person!!! SHOW NO MERCY!

Yves nyc   August 11th, 2010 6:00 pm ET

This case touched me more than any other one I have seen on Court T.V. I wept when I saw his mother testify and her graphic depiction was so real, that I could just imagine what went on that afternoon. Pinckney Sr. executed his young son without the least amount of remorse and that was clearly evident by his behavior on the stand. He must have resented him or why else would a parent kill their child so brutally? He is a cold blooded man and I hope he spends his life in prison where there are surely to be other individuals like himself who may just deliver the justice he deserves. Maybe someone will make him strip and then beat him senseless while he pleads for mercy.....
Rest in Peace Jamar Jr.

lex   August 11th, 2010 6:05 pm ET

This was NOT A GOOD VERDICT it should have been First Degree Murder. Once she went to the er and there was nothing found the parents should have reported it to the police. The girlfriend played alot in this for Jamar Sr to have killed his son. For him to do excution style on his son was dirty, cruel, and he really did not care. HE basically told with jr and NOT his daughter. Now who is to say that by she UTI's that she did not do it her self by her itching in her private part.

Tiffany   August 11th, 2010 6:07 pm ET

Seriously people, it should have been manslaughter, which requires provocation. If the rape or molestation of your child is not provocation, I don't know what is, no matter who it is. Does anyone remember the father that laid in wait at LAX for the police to bring out his 11 year old son's rapist. He shot him in the head dead and never served one day. Also, I don't believe the mother and the cousin of Jamal, Jr. The mother continues to say that Jamal, Sr. and the little girl's mother planned to kill her boy. In their plan, did they get Jamal;, Jr. to rape or molest his 3 year old sister? They continue to say what a good, respectable boy he was...good respectable boys do not commit rape/molestation/, pedophilia, nor incest.

Richie-St. Ann,MO- Jamar Sr. was never fit to be a father. His crime deserved a   August 11th, 2010 6:08 pm ET

Jamar Sr. was never fit to be a father. Any parent who shows favouritism among their children is likely to hate one or more child.This man deserved a more severe verdict.As I said before,he naver loved his ONLY SON.A true father would give his life for his son-this man took his life.He also deserve to die.

eunique   August 11th, 2010 6:10 pm ET

what the hell is wrong with simply paying for your actions life is what he should have got for taking one !!!!people have got the book thrown at them for much less not to mention all the kids tried as adults i guess its ok to kill your kid but the kids should not kill there parents..WTF

Monica-Boise, ID   August 11th, 2010 6:16 pm ET

Sr. is a thug...Jr. probably learned sexual info from TV, Radio, dad's multiple girlfriends (babies moma's)..too bad Sr. had to execute his son rather than talk about sex...I also don't believe the little girl was raped like the baby's moma claims....she was getting 1st baby moma out of the way, along with Jr....

Frank   August 11th, 2010 6:17 pm ET

If there is a Hell it will welcome this clown with open arms. The girlfriend Ms. Ivy should be sitting right beside him.

Will   August 11th, 2010 6:26 pm ET

I feel the jury made the right decision. Maybe the father took the wrong course of action and did think about it, but at the same time, Jamar Pinkney junior raped a little 3-year old girl. She's the real victim. The prosecution tried to make it sound like it didn't happen, but it did. That's why the father got mad. He may have committed a serious crime, but he was thinking about the well-being of his daughter. His anger clouded his judgment, that's why he did it. If the jury had convicted on murder 1, it would be like they rejected the fact she was assaulted.

Timothy   August 11th, 2010 6:31 pm ET

I would've understood him more if it was a outside person but ur own son . This guy is crazy and should never c daylight again although that wont happen. I feel sorry 4 the mother. And 4 his girlfriend I think she should get charged with something she encouraged him to kill his son. A nice butt spanking and therapy would've been great 4 that young boy, not death.

barry   August 11th, 2010 6:33 pm ET

Its a very sad situation. This man seem proud of what he had to do to his son and I didn't see or notice one ounce of remorse or sorrow. He has to live with this for the rest of life, the boy is in a better place.

emma   August 11th, 2010 6:34 pm ET

How much time will he receive on his jury verdict?

sunflower   August 11th, 2010 6:43 pm ET

Really disappointed in this verdict

Zimzarra   August 11th, 2010 6:49 pm ET

This is insane. This man KILLED HIS SON in calculated cold blooded murder. He knew exactly what he was going to do when he went there to confront his son. When Jamar Jr confessed to his mother what he had done together they called Jamar Sr. Jamar Sr abruptly ended the phone call and later went to confront his son. He planned it, he thought it out & he cold heartedly executed his plan and his son!!! Murder in the 1st Degree!!!!

Marie hinds   August 11th, 2010 6:52 pm ET

What a crying shame for both families, my heart goes out to the boys mother who has to go on without her son. The mother of the 3 yr old let this hate and blame etc go start healing immediatly!!!! Your daughter is ALIVE and can possibly never remember any of this take advantage of it! We all need to pray for both of these families!!!!!!<3

nrichiv   August 11th, 2010 6:52 pm ET

I am very pleased with the jurys verdict....i was very obvious that this was nothing more than an COLD BLOODED KILL this man killed his own child i don't care what the circumstance is nothing can make you that mad that would take a gun and shoot YOUR OWN CHILD in the face its a shame. But delt with very well I just wonder how hes looking now lol:-)

rhonda   August 11th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

He should have gotten first degree murder.Jamar Sr (played god) Jury ,Judge, and executioner on his only son.I feel it was premeditated he showed no emotion which tells alot . the sister will get therapy and the help she needs as well as what Jamar Jr should have gotten also.They should have never let him in the door period.There's ways to handle problems but you can't always take matters in your own hands.I hope he gets the max .

deedre927   August 11th, 2010 6:57 pm ET

what woman when he gets out would want to be with this man knowing that he will kill a loved one becuz he is not happy with a situation. I hope his daughter turns out to be a respectful young lady if not what is he gonna do shoot her.

Carol   August 11th, 2010 6:57 pm ET

I agreed with everyone else, it should have been FIRST DEGREE MURDER! Not a doubt. The 10 on the jury should of held out until the other 2 came to their side instead of them settling for 2nd degree murder, it was not a good compromise but at least he got murder not manslaughter. I loved the prosecutor, Christine, I thought she was wonderful. She should be proud of the way she prosecuted the case even though she didn't get 1st degree murder. Great job, Christine!

Rosemary   August 11th, 2010 7:06 pm ET

It should have been 1st degree murder! He was not bringing his gun to get money from his rental properties – he was going to see his children and their mothers. I believe that he planned to take him away to do something terrible to Jr. but his plan was stopped because their were more women there than he thought so he went in to the bathroom and came up with plan B. I believe he beat up Jr., humiliated him and hurriedly killed him before the women got a chance to stop him. I pray that with 4 guilty verdicts he never sees the outside of a prison again. His son never will! I also pray for the mother of Jr. , his aunt and the grandmother. They all showed so much class and I hurt for them!!!

Lucy   August 11th, 2010 7:06 pm ET

while I do not agree with how Mr. Pinkney handled the situation. As a parent to a little girl I can understand the feeling of cold unadulterated rage at the thought of her being violated. It seems as though the prosecuter forgot that there was more than 1 victim. Two children lost their childhood. one is gone and the other is changed. It is a tragic situation for all involved.

annie   August 11th, 2010 7:08 pm ET

i feel as thou that he should have gotten more. he seem as thou that he did not care at all. they should lock him up and throw away the key. no mother should go thru this that a father killing his own child. and no concern on his face. that will have been the last straw. just looking at him in court and no crying, no hollering. no i want my child back. he deserves the death penalty

mike gaines   August 11th, 2010 7:11 pm ET

guilty of 1st degree murder and should get life without parole

Arlene   August 11th, 2010 7:11 pm ET

What Pinkney Sr. did to his son was wrong but i think 1st degree would be wrong. I have 3three kids.. now im sure Id just beat mine to cripple for doing something to his little sis but I feel what the dad was going through. He might of been thinking omg I dont want a son growing up to be a molester. I mean that how I would think and feel if I found out something like that. Now i know he just a teen and didnt deserve to die but you gotta see the point of dads feelings when you hear something like that happen to your princess especially from your own family member. like i say the dad went a wrong way of handling the issue but 1st degree is not right. but how would you feel if your 3yr old was sexually molested in anyway especially by a family member? All hell would break loose without thinking right at that moment in time everything happening so fast... I agree with the verdict. that my opinion.

shakira   August 11th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

I really cant understand if he beat him up punch him and kick his son why that wasn't enough he didn't have to shoot him in the face, Thats just sad for both sides only god can judge him. blessing goes out to both sides in this case

Hernandez,Delano,ca   August 11th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

That's so wrong for the jury to find him guilty of 2nd Degree Murder since this case was strongly about the "Heat of Passion" he should of got a lesser verdict like that of Manslaughter with some enhancements, I hope Mr.Jamar Sr.. Gets his justice and goes and succeeds through an appellants court his son Jamar didn't deserve to die but he was competent of his actions in other hand Mr. Jamar Sr. Was in the "Heat Of Passion" he couldn't process the devastating news that his son had done a cruel action to his on flesh and blood!!

angela hill   August 11th, 2010 7:19 pm ET

mr. pinkney sr and his observe and crazy self center girlfrind ms Ivy deserve each other and they both should have been put away in prison for the rest of their lives. All they care about is themselves and they thought that they would get some insurance money off of this poor young defenseless kid Jamar Jr. What kind of man would kill his own son just for a no good woman. Foster care should remove all of Ms. Ivy's children because truly she is very unfit. I think she caused the lacertion on her daughters vaginal area to get her crazy lover to kill his only son so that she could have him all to herself. They both deserve each other and deserve life in prison for the rest of their freaking days. Jamar Jr. doesn't have a chance to excell in his young life, so sad.

ray   August 11th, 2010 7:20 pm ET

This is a shame...and the dad is getting away with murder. This is your child that said what he has done, I understand the hurt and shame that he was going though. And all he wanted was revenge for the baby and didn't care that he could got help for his son, so what do he do he take the matter into his own hands.... Now it costed him his son life which he didn't care about getting him help and a very grieving mother who lost her son.....Its hard and hope that she(mom) never forgive that Monster how took her son away....

april   August 11th, 2010 7:25 pm ET

This father who was so outraged by his son's action that he snapped enough to kill him, showed no emotion at any time during his trial because he wanted to be convicted of murder in the 1st degree so he would receive the fullest punishment. However, the jury completely MISSED IT when they compromised for 2nd degree murder.

The reason I believe this to be true is because: (1) he wanted to be driven to the police dept. so he could turn himself in; AND (2) by showing no emotion while giving his testimony (like crying when he talked about how he couldn't believe what had happened to his daughter or that he couldn't believe his son had done such a thing), he wanted to appear to be cold and calculating to the jury.

Kris   August 11th, 2010 7:28 pm ET

I feel like Jamar should have been found guilty of manslaughter. I think the thought of his 15 year old son molesting his 3 year old daughter (still a baby) made him snap. I believe he loved both his children but his son's confession just was more then he could take. Don't judge a man until you've walked in his shoes. We don't know what Jamar Sr. was feeling and what he's been through. I feel sorry for all involved; especially Jamar Jr's mother.

jasmine   August 11th, 2010 7:47 pm ET

why the heck was it second-degree murder i mean he came there to the house with a gun!and then he missed and dialed the wrong number and thought he was calling the red-headed girl and said,"baby,i took care of it."that girl pushed him to shoot his own son.while he's going into jail,she is going to find someone else.

Theo   August 11th, 2010 7:58 pm ET

I was very disappointed with the verdict. Anything less than life without a chance for parole is injustice. Both of these children were his. The little girl's Mom said he's a good father. A good father would have chosen another form of discipline not Murder. He should hear the words of his son every time he closes his eyes to sleep. My heart goes out to Little Jamar's mother. I have no compassion for Mr. Pinkney, Sr. Jamar, Jr was deprived of his life and another chance.

Shannon   August 11th, 2010 8:01 pm ET

I would love to know what this jury was thinking. I'm shocked.

Trish   August 11th, 2010 8:02 pm ET

I feel that Sr. should have gotten 1st degree murder and Ivey I feel like she was not a concerned parent if she was she would not have missed her daughters first appt. I feel two days later and the Dr found something who knows who did that.My heart goes out to the Cherry family.

nikki carter   August 11th, 2010 8:11 pm ET

Now that he wont be in his daughter life either mayb this will break that hard shell he seems to b in

Sara   August 11th, 2010 8:13 pm ET

Did you forget the crime his son committed I feel as though He should have got the charge voluntary manslaughter because I do remember Junior's mother saying that her son told his father that he pulled the little girl's pants off and later she was saying that she didn't say that and he admitted to dry humping her and so I feel as though he should get a new trial because it's easy for someone to say he's a cold blooded person when it's not you because we are only human. I believed that he acted out of passion to save his daughter because let’s not forget she is the REAL VICTIM in this case.

Tee   August 11th, 2010 8:13 pm ET

Second degree! As ususal the United States justice system fails! If it was up to me his ass wouldve been stoned or gunned down. How is this justice for the family? Or his dead son? I pray to God he never makes it out. Hopefully someone will take his life in prison. Im a mother and I couldnt imagine how she must feel after seeing her son killed at his hands.

Natalina   August 11th, 2010 8:17 pm ET

That poor boy didn't deserve what he got. He was brutally murdered by his own father, and I feel with the influence of Karan Ivey, the little girls mom. This could've been a situation that was fixable. There wouldnt be no winners in this either way. But at least it could've been handled appropriately. There's a proper way to handle everything and that wasn't it. That father is a heartless animal who premeditated the murder of his own son. He should've had the book thrown at him. What a shame so many lives were ruined!

patrice griffin   August 11th, 2010 8:17 pm ET

how do you have the heart to kill your own child? i believe he knew what he was doin. i hope and pray they give him life or death penalty. he makes me sick from the bottom of my stomach.

scotty501   August 11th, 2010 8:19 pm ET

You can tell by the look in his face that he is an angry hateful man. His reaction was so radical it makes me wonder if he was a victim of child abuse

rosemary   August 11th, 2010 8:21 pm ET

by the time Jamar Sr is 60 years old, he will not be able to remember his own name.this is going to hit him very, very hard.

Laurie   August 11th, 2010 8:28 pm ET

I can't believe this man is going to get away with first degree murder of his only son. He showed no emotion or regret for his troubled son. He should have received the same sentence he gave his son.

taylor   August 11th, 2010 8:32 pm ET

Every day that i could i tuned in to the trial and every day i cried its a shame he is a cold blooded murderer and he should have been giving a life sentence and forced to look at photos of what he had done every day for the rest of his sorry life.

Melissa   August 11th, 2010 8:44 pm ET

A grave injustice has been served. Had he fathered Jr the way he fathered his baby girl may have resulted in another ending to this tragic story. His due diligence to both children would have him seeking the assistance necessary in these types of situations. His intent camein to play when he started beating his son and pushing the people who were trying to stop him off of him. It's sad on both sides... the girl was victimized but so was Jr. I can only hope he gets more than minimum...for Jr and for peace for Jr's mother.

carol kesling   August 11th, 2010 8:48 pm ET

sad for jamar jr. this should have been first degree murder.this man is a monster, and should rot in jail forever!!! well he has 5 felonies let see how much time he serves.(or does NOT serve.) this was one of the most emotional trials ive seen.... right up there with the SPRINGER trial !!!! god bless little jamar jr.

katie   August 11th, 2010 8:49 pm ET

Well I don't belive in a death for a death......but I also don't think that he should ever get paroled. He should stay lockedup for every Life and think about what he did that destroyed two families. Who will protect you little girl now.........

Tyra   August 11th, 2010 8:50 pm ET

OMG ...where the justice You can strip a 15 year old butt naked make him walk outside.......beat the hell out of him while he is beggin for his FATHER forgiveness the father shoot him in the head ......WOW I would hate to see what he will do to someone he dont know .............WOW SPEACHLESS

mae   August 11th, 2010 8:51 pm ET

I am very disappointed with this verdict. NO ONE, FOR ANY REASON HAS THE RIGHT TO PLAY GOD! Period.
If the initial vote by the jury was 10 to 2 for 1st degree murder that is how it should have stayed. Does the majority not rule? This man says the son told him things that set him off. The boys mom said he did not. I'd like to know when the son told him this (if in fact that is true) where was the mom when the boy was telling him this. He never explained that and more importantly when he was asked how he felt after the shooting his response was "terrible, I felt terrible" but he NEVER said he was sorry for killing his son. Reguardless of what he told him, sr had no right to MURDER his son which is exactly what he did. He got more justice than his son did and adults, especially parents, are supposed to have more control. I am not forgetting the 3yr old either, I am just not positive that jr raped her.

Diane   August 11th, 2010 9:00 pm ET

He had intent when he had the child strip his clothing. He had intent when he walked him out of the house. He had intent and motive when he put the gun to that boy's head. They could have used first degree easily. And that given the boy wanted help from his parents makes this case particularly bad. I wonder if the father has some secrets of his own to cover up.

Valerie from Vancouver   August 11th, 2010 9:01 pm ET

I find it interesting that the mother of Jr. is so inclined to minimize her son's actions. Whether it was 'dry' humping, or skin on skin humping, this is a serious violation of a 3 year old. She said on a interview with Ryan Smith how there was no reason to involve the authorities. "He hadn't raped her".Regardless, I think the authorities should have gotten involved and taken J. Jr. out of the home and arrested him immediately. No parent should have to be put in a position of knowing his daughter was violated, and knowing it was his son that did it. That is a monumental amount for any human being to deal with. I found the mother least credible. She was over dramatic, and had an agenda of not wanting her son to be labeled a rapist. This is coming from a mom who has lost one of her sons. So it's not that I don't have compassion for any mom who has lost their son.

toni   August 11th, 2010 9:05 pm ET

He will live with this the rest of his life. I feel so sorry for the jamar jr's family. this could have been dealt with a different way so why he doesn't show emotion now he will sooner or later. To jamar's mom forgive him and stay strong.

Kelly   August 11th, 2010 9:08 pm ET

I am thankful that the jury held this man accountable for his own actions and especially in a way more humane than he offered to his son. The image of this 15 yr old boy will remain in my mind for a while to come and hopefully this so called father's head also. May God save his soul before its too late. I will be praying for the family of all parties

cherese   August 11th, 2010 9:11 pm ET

oh my god this man just killed his son a cold blooded murder and all he got charged for is second degree , murder unbelievable im still in shock i understand what the little boy did was wrong but he didnt deserve to die. so that just tells me that he didnt care about his son at all he only cares about his daughter and her heartless mother ! cause if you ask me she is just as much responsible for the murder. and she should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder in first degree. not second degree not at all !

tavana   August 11th, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Mr.Pinkley should have recieved the dealth penalty.he took that boys life ,maybe they should have gotten the kid help but taking his life like that was totally wrong.He has to answer to god!!!!

Angela   August 11th, 2010 9:16 pm ET

I think michgan should have capital punishment and he should be senteced to death

fran   August 11th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

I hope he spends every waking day in prison with the thought that he killed his own flesh and blood. He didn't have to kill him. He had already beat him. He should have taken his son to counseling.

Erica   August 11th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

It's a sad situation. Imagine how guilty the father must feel, knowing that he left this 15-year-old sex offender alone at times with his little sister to do these horrible things. It's just ridding the world of another sex predator in my opinion. I would have credited the father with time served and let him go.

Tiffany   August 11th, 2010 9:37 pm ET

This is a travesty! Those jurors should be ashamed of themselves! Jamar Pinckney Sr. showed no mercy for his son and now he's gonna get off on a lesser charge?! That isn't justice!

stephanie   August 11th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

this is sick that he got second degree murder. this man had time to think sbout what he was going to do. he didnt have to tote the gun every where he went to. and to take his own sons life in such a manner. there are other ways he could have handled the situation. i think he is sick and justice was not served to the family nor Jamar Jr. he treated that boy like he was a piece of trash making him strip, beating him up and then to have the nerve to shoot him in his face. SICK......

Rebecca   August 11th, 2010 9:47 pm ET

Jamar Pinkney Sr. should have got 1st degree. He made his son pulled off all this clothes and took him in the field to blow his brains out. Then this man will be walking around in a few years. I am dispointed in the systems. how can one let a man get away with murder?

NWB   August 11th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I don't get it. The prosecutor did an excellent job establishing that this crime was committed after deliberate premeditation. Mr. Pickney did not have to take a gun to the house in order to talk to his son unless he was planning to use it which he obviously did. This is absolutely the most tragic case I have seen in my life. My heart and prayers definitely goes out to Jamar Jr.'s mother, other family friends and friends. Now that Mr. Pickney was only found guilty of second degree murder, the only other thing I can hope for is that he constantly hears the cries of his son begging and pleading for his life ringing in his ears daily while he lies in his prison cell. I also hope the image of his son stripped naked and kneeling on the ground begging for his life remains imprinted in the forefront of Mr. Pickney's mind.

lou   August 11th, 2010 9:53 pm ET

All I can say is What the --!!!! I hope the judge isn't as wimpy as the jury must have been. And not a sign of remorse. This is worst than the OJ trial.

dell   August 11th, 2010 9:56 pm ET

This is a clear case of jurors allowing race and personal feelings to play into their decision. If one cannot sit in judgement knowing full well they will allow only the evidence determine their decision they should not sit. I myself have excused myself from sitting on a jury when I knew in my heart I could not judge without my personal feelings and prejudice being a part of my desicion. One is asked this very question when being chosen and some are not fully honest with themselves. This is the way it should work. This man has no right to any freedom, he took a life, no circumstance except self defense should have allowed this verdict. He so obviously did not have a natural father's love for this poor 15 year old. I sensed he had a disappointment in him even before learning of the incident and had not developed a loving relationship with him. A crying outrageous shame, this verdict!

Bee Ty   August 11th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

this overall case was horrible @ 15 yrs old he was a young man & I feel to some degree his mother wanted him to be punished by the man in his life (his father) not knowing that he had every intention on killing him. The boy was @ a age he should have known better as a parent you wonder where is it u failed. to me Sr didn't want the embarrassment of having a child molester for a son so he took him out & he should have got 1st degree murder charge. Because how could you love your son & shoot him in the face like that you had to see the terror in his eyes, to me if he was going to claim to have lost it everyone in the house should have been shot. He should have came in blasting. as a parent i don't know what made that 15yr old want to touch a baby but at the same time what possess his father to be able to kill him & then not want to go jail for life

Martha   August 11th, 2010 10:00 pm ET

That souless monster should have been convicted of 1st degree murder. No mercy for him cuz he didn't have mercy on his son. He knew exactly what he was doing. He planned it.

Carey   August 11th, 2010 10:06 pm ET

My heart goes out to the mother both moms. They not only grieve but relive the site of their child being beaten humilated and executed

Sonya   August 11th, 2010 10:10 pm ET

I would have voted for first degree if I was on the jury. I just don't know how he could have killed his own son in such a horrible, cold blooded manner.

I also don't believe that Jamar Jr. finally admitted to raping the 3 year old. It took the teen a few days to admit to "humping" her. Why would he make things even worse by digging himself even deeper into a hole?

I think Jamar Sr. was trying to prove something to his baby's mother and it all went terribly wrong. The Prosecutor was right... Jamar Sr. had plenty of time to think about what he should have done before killing his son. How very sad that things turned out this way.

Patrice   August 11th, 2010 10:12 pm ET

this man should be locked under the jail!!! PERIOD!!!

Torres   August 11th, 2010 10:14 pm ET

This man should have been put to death!! No justice was done for the little boy this is sad!

Cathy   August 11th, 2010 10:17 pm ET

No doubt what Mr. Pinkney did was a callouse act . Just everyone stop and thinkand not be so judgemental put yourself in his place. 15 year old who is your child, Male violating your 3 year old baby . visualize that . SNAP is what most of us would do. He no longer saw his son as his son he saw him as a monster he felt he had to get rid of, he reacted in the most horrific manner and in now way am I in agreement with him I just believe he completely lost all since of realityat that point. I feel the verdict was fair he is already dead inside as we saw throughout this whole trial. It is now betweeen him and God

Joyce In The Am   August 11th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

I pray the judge throw's the book at this dumb, poor excuse of a man.

Chevoyn   August 11th, 2010 10:44 pm ET

I have watched this trial for days.Jamar Sr. got off with shooting his only son in the head.There was so much proof against this heartless man.His little girls mom was the mastermind behind this whole thing.If it wasn't for her i believe that Jamar Jr. would still be alive.They went to the ER,and she couldn't bear the fact that he didn't rape the little girl.So she kept pushing the issue,and wouldn't take no for an answer.It's so unfair.She knew what that monster was going to do she provoked him.

Kimberly   August 11th, 2010 10:54 pm ET

should have been 1st degree murder! he went over there with gun in vehicle/never showed on tear/no remorse in murdering his son

Cindy   August 11th, 2010 10:56 pm ET

I'm absolutely horrified at the verdict. I'm appalled. The

The jury changed their minds...."the jury foreperson, a 21-year-old female college student, later told In Session the initial vote was 10-2 for first-degree murder, but that the majority felt comfortable with a “compromise” after the instruction on intent was reread."

What a copout......

He executed Jamar Jr. for a crime Jamar Jr. he ALLEGEDLY committed. Like the prosecutor said. Sr. played judge, jury and executioner.

If he had been down here in Louisiana, he would not have gotten away with 2nd degree murder. We have the death penalty here.

Maybe Sr. will get what is coming to him down the road. I hope the the jurors can sleep at night knowing that a 15 yr. old boy was killed by his dad and they let him off easy.

Yea, Sr. took care of it and got away with it.

Le'Vern   August 11th, 2010 11:09 pm ET

That Girlfriend should have been on trail she was the main person that started everything she's a drama queen she just kept on saying how she wanted to press charges for something that she wasn't sure what really happeen Why would you want to be with man that killed his on child. What if her daughter does something he thinks is wrong .Is he going to kill her
Remember he loved his son and looked what happen to him girlfriend you need keep your child a way from a baby killer.

NWB   August 11th, 2010 11:26 pm ET

I've tried to withhold from saying this for a while, and no pun intended. But I have to say, if I was Jamar Jr's mother, Mr. Pickney would probably be charged with two murders. How on earth did she allow this monster to force her son outside naked at gunpoint without using some type of force ( any force necessary) to attempt to stop him. I can't help but wonder if he might have been physically abusive towards her while they were dating. Was she too terrified to do something?? There were four other people in the house, to include Ms. Cherry, while Mr. Pickney was allowed to fully do what he wanted to do. I know this has to be eating away at them as well. I don't even see how they could stomach hearing this child scream out for mercy while he was being savagely beaten by his father. They definitely would have been justified in stopping Mr. Pickney by any means and with any force necessary.

Shonte   August 11th, 2010 11:33 pm ET

I really thought that the jury was going to convict him of 1st degree....So much for the legal system....I rally dont understand how they came about with 2nd degree......During all the steps that was made before he pulled the trigger he had time enough to come to reality and tell himself "this is my son I can't do this".....This is really confusing me I really think he got away with murder.....

Edmond Frost   August 11th, 2010 11:49 pm ET

I am absolutely appalled at the verdict rendered in Michigan v. Pinkney. Jury foreman Abby Whitford and those eleven other jurors should have found Jamar Pinkney Sr guilty of pre-meditated murder in the first-degree of his 15-year old son Jamar Pinkney Jr. This is an injustice!
Kudos to Wayne County Prosecutor Christine Kowal in her attempt to secure a first-degree murder charge; and my thoughts and prayers are with Pinkney Jr's mom, Ms. Lazette Monique Cherry.

jill   August 11th, 2010 11:54 pm ET

justice was not served!!!! i think ivy should have been question a little bit harder..... it was 1st degree all the way!

Catrina   August 11th, 2010 11:56 pm ET

I believe justice failed on this one. This father will get away with taking his sons life. This wasn't a accident, he was fully aware of his actions but needless to say, GOD gets the final say!!!

shirley bryant/ pasadena cailf.   August 12th, 2010 12:01 am ET

Give him death,jamar jr did not have chance and all over a woman Ms Ivey has a black heart!!!!!!...

Debbie   August 12th, 2010 12:37 am ET

Wow... It is hard to say how I would react in the same situation. I do not agree with how he handled the situation but i have to ask myself what would i have done ? i don't know. So is he guility of murder? or did he react out of loss of self control? I so feel this whole families pain and pray that each one of them gets help to deal with all of this tragic loss. This poor little 3 year old girl is the true victim. Raped, loss of a brother, loss of a father, and a mother who has to struggle to go on. God please guide this family to recovery from all of this.

melinda conner   August 12th, 2010 12:39 am ET

Very Sad.......1st degree murder was what it was...He is a cold hearted man, to stand over his son & shoot him in the head, no heart.

TIFFANY LANDOVER   August 12th, 2010 12:39 am ET

First i would like to say ! This case was the saddest i ever seen... I don"t think Jamar sr went to kill his son. I think he Snapped......... I think he was very very emotional in his own way nobody would never no what you would do in any situation you are in...... I feel for the WHOLE FAMILY...... even Jamar Sr.......

nik111   August 12th, 2010 12:41 am ET

The jury was 10-2 for 1st degree murder. The 2 jurors refused to waiver, so 10 jurors compromised the verdict. If I was seated, I would never have let this guy go with 2nd degree.

SUZZIEQ   August 12th, 2010 1:03 am ET

I dont like the verdict ,he shold have gotten 1st degree I hope that person before is wrong about he may only get 4 yrs for killing his son like a dog.People take better care of their pets than he took care of his son.I wish Ms Ivy would stay off the tv with her oponion she is as much to blame as Sr in my book puttin one child against another That what happens when you start have kids everwhere they foget about the first child and do for the next child forgetting about the first and so on .God will take care of Mr Pinkiny and when he is finished with you watch out.

Allegra   August 12th, 2010 1:05 am ET

Once again, Jamar Pinkney, Jr. was robbed of justice.!

Robert Hollister   August 12th, 2010 1:06 am ET

Horriable,horriable,horriable!Point blank!! I am so mad with the way the prosecutor handle this trail,she went at her own witnesses!!!this was a closed door 1st degree murder! This cat pinkney sr. called and said "I took care of that" like doing a lil favor for a friend!! And he will only get 10 yrs. And be out in 6...horriable

Robert Hollister   August 12th, 2010 1:14 am ET

I think that the child doctor was huge in this case! The cat pinkney sr was sitting there while the whole trail went on like"ya I'm the man I killed someone mess with me",he ain't seem to have not 1 bit of remorse for what he did! I ain't see 1 tear,he will pay,the all mighty god will make sure he does,and when he's in prison,other inmates are going to make him strip and then break every bone in his body,and believe me correction officers will make sure it happens,been in jail and seen it happen pleanty of times,wish I could give him a nice knuckle in the cheek bone.punk

Samantha   August 12th, 2010 1:16 am ET

I watched this trail from the begining. I felt there were alot of my questions unanswered. I feel as if he should have been found guilty of first degree murder. He knew what he was doing. He had time to think about it. Then the fact that he had the gun on him and not in the car made a big difference to me. There were more ways to handle this situation and this was in no way one of them! I believe his heart die once he shot his son!

Jim   August 12th, 2010 1:23 am ET

I'm guessing that these people don't realize that the son that he killed admitting to molesting his three year old half sister. Molesting. A three year old.

Deb   August 12th, 2010 1:26 am ET

My prayers are with the families of both the kids. My God Bless you guys.

chrstle9   August 12th, 2010 1:28 am ET

He wasnt satisfied with hitting the boy with his fists....he had to take him outside naked and put a bullet in his head! I say "death penalty"

Gwen   August 12th, 2010 2:01 am ET

I can't say I would have agreed to murder in the first degree either. No body knows what went on through Jamar Pinkney Sr's mind.
I just feel so bad that he made a choice between his two children.
I'm not going to judge him. Thats God's place.

kris   August 12th, 2010 2:20 am ET

I am with the majority that he should have got the murder one conviction, but having not seen the trial myself, I cannot say for certain if it was a totally pre-meditated action.
I did however see the face of Jamar Sr. and must admit, I saw no remorse, no life, no anything in those eyes. He had no care whatsoever about what he had done to his family. Same thing for the mother, she didn't seem to care about what happened to her little girl, or about what happened to Jamar Jr..
What is this world coming to when a father can take his son out in a public common area, naked no less, and shoot him in the head with neighbors around and no one can stop this from happening? A sad state of affairs this country has come to. Very sad.

Mae   August 12th, 2010 2:43 am ET

Jamar Sr., Jamar Jr., and Monique Cherry deserved one another. Why? I'll break it down.
1. Monique was a coward to allow Jamar Sr. to strip Jamar Jr. naked on a cold day and march him outside. You fight to the death for your child.
2. Jamar Jr. was a teenage rapist.
3. Jamar Sr. is a low life maniac and his reaction truly brought that inner monster out to the open. He was always a monster and he deserves to live in prison with other monsters.

Angela   August 12th, 2010 2:43 am ET

It was clear from the start that Jamar and his baby mama Ivy,plotted to kill Jamar Jr. I feel that more time should have been taken if needed and the definitions should've been reread a million times before rendering such a lame verdict. Its like the people gave up and forgot why they were there. You are not there to compromise so you can get home to make dinner or to go out on the town. You are there to weigh the evidence,reread the definitions until your blue in the face,but NEVER to compromise. The 21 year old foreperson said that it was originally 10-2 for 1st degree murder. Then they felt it fair to switch it to second degree as a compromise. Ludicrous. I feel that justice was not served. There's a 15 year old boy that won't get the possibility of parole,he's dead!
R.I.P. Jamar Pickney Jr.

Mae   August 12th, 2010 2:54 am ET

This was the WORST child abuse I ever heard. I could not imagine a man doing that to anyone. The law protects no one. You must protect yourself and your children to stay safe in this society. First and only first degree murder for that beast is the right justice.

Danny   August 12th, 2010 3:02 am ET

Absolutley unreal. I just pray the judge gives him the maximum allowable sentence.

Donna Martin   August 12th, 2010 3:07 am ET

1) ER Dr. may have been in a bit of a hurry while checking the baby and might have unknowingly scratched her which then created the small (less then 3/4 in) "healing laceration" that was found by her regular Dr. TWO days later.
2) Sr. did NOT know of this 3/4 in. "healing laceration" until the DAY AFTER he shot his son in the head.
3) Babe, I took care of that!!!
Jr did NOT "rape" his baby sister but Sr DID MURDER his only son.


Kim Campbell   August 12th, 2010 6:42 am ET

Typical case of girlfriend not liking another woman's child-wanting Jamar Jr out of picture-probably provoked this man to commit this horrible crime. I wouldnt be surprised if they both had this planned out from day one. First degree murder is what it should have been-shame shame shame on you jury!

Oberon123   August 12th, 2010 6:46 am ET

I just love how all of these folks here are second-guessing the jury, which heard all of the evidence and deliberated behind closed doors. Just wonderful when the masses in the streets think they know better than a jury does.

Takara Williams   August 12th, 2010 8:19 am ET

I think he should have been charged with first degree murder. It doesn't matter how mad you are at your son for doing something so awful, it still does not mean you have the right to kill the child. He had enough time to sit and think about what he was going to do before he went over to talk to his son. If his intentions were not to kill him, why did he take the gun into the house with him? Once again someone is dead and the person who is charged with the murder wasn't held accountable enough.

Car Bear   August 12th, 2010 8:56 am ET

Justice is not complete. What about the litle girl, where is her justice?

wanda   August 12th, 2010 9:07 am ET

Unbelievable! To me he knew what he was doing. He should have gotten the 1st degree murder charge. To kill anybody is wrong but to kill your own child is just terrible.

yazmin   August 12th, 2010 9:18 am ET

Unbelievable! He should have been convicted for 1st degree murder!

Don   August 12th, 2010 9:23 am ET

Monsters who molest little girls deserve to be put down, even if it is their own father who has to do it. If the kid really did do it, he deserved what he got, and I find myself wanting to congratulate his father for erasing the filth he created.

Gloria Sloan   August 12th, 2010 9:24 am ET

I listened to the whole trial and do not remember anyone saying anything about a holster for that gun. I get the impression that the gun was in his waistband. If that is the case, what person do you know who carries a gun all the time, carries it in his waistband without it being in a holster? If there was no holster, it really shows that the intent was there before he left his house that he was going to use it.

Karen   August 12th, 2010 9:26 am ET

Since he made the phone call to his daughters mother about the deed being done, will they look at her to see if she had any part in planning this or incouraging this

sarah   August 12th, 2010 9:38 am ET

This should have been 1st degree... This man is a pig. They need to make an example out of him for other people who want to take the law and justice system into their own hands. He will get what's coming to him and I hope he's haunted by his sons face for the rest of his days...

Bridgett   August 12th, 2010 9:39 am ET

I can't beleive that a jury,didn't see this as first degree murder.This man had time to think about the situation all night ,before he went over to his son house. I'm really Shocked!!!!!. He deserves every thing, the Max,and all the assault charges with deadly weapon against the mother and aunt is a Bull. They could've stopped this from happening from the begining,so dont get so emotional now.

Robert Coady-Bey   August 12th, 2010 9:40 am ET

This is a sad case!.The Defendant should get 1st degree murder because of the accounts of the event that lead to murdering the son. Life in prison is only 20years in Michigan He should get Life w/o Parole!. and feel that his Girlfriend should get charged because she had added fuel to the Fire to get this horrible ordeal excelled.My prayers go out to Jamar"s Mother and Pray for Strength!. Any Religious material states Thou Shall Not Kill You violated that Sir.

Felicia B.   August 12th, 2010 9:40 am ET

I think jamar sr, could have done something different, it was enough that he had beat him before he shot him. you know the ? that need to be asked because it is not normal that Jamar Jr, did that to his own flesh&blood (sister) was he ever sexaul abused by a family member to even think that it was right to do that.. just my thought!!

Shanay   August 12th, 2010 9:42 am ET

Jamar Pinkney Sr say he lost it and was out side his self. Well we did hear that he beat him in a outrage so if he lost it i would think he would have jus kept beating him but no he stopped tried to jerk his sons clothes off, and when he couldnt get them off he made him strip, walk outside to a field and then shot him. I hope he gets life in prison without the possiblity of parole. Who could shoot their own son in such a harsh and cruel way and show no emotion.

Can You Believe It?   August 12th, 2010 9:50 am ET

I rarely believe that the death penalty is right but this guy is an exception to my own rule.

He killed his own son, execution style and this jury got hung up on INTENT? His intent is VERY clear. He meant, and he did ***execute*** his own son. He murdered him in cold blood... period.

His intent was VERY clear.
What a lame jury!
First Degree all the way, along with a handy death penalty to go with it.

sleepyscool   August 12th, 2010 9:55 am ET

One thought keeps sticking in my mind throughtout this trial re Mr Pinkney: I wonder if there is any sexual abuse in his past to make him react so violently and I wonder if his own promiscuity in his personal life set up Jamar Jr to act on his sexual feelings..."do as I say not as I do"? Just sayin....

BigPappaTaz   August 12th, 2010 9:58 am ET

This has got to be one of toughest situations for any fsmily to deal with. The son was wrong in what he did and he did come forward to his mother,seeking help. Counseling or even jail time would've been better,the bible says thow shall not kill, and if my son did that to my daughter I would beat his butt real good then get counseling,but to kill one of my own is not right. My prayers go out to that family for there losess of both the son and the father and to the daughter for healing. The father handled it wrong. It happened to me when I was a kid and I had to forgive. Not easy but God is my refuge not myself.

joshua   August 12th, 2010 9:58 am ET

I think the verdict was obsured, it should have came back as manslaughter. Also i think he should have recieved pointing and presenting, instead of assault with a deadly weapon.

Patricia   August 12th, 2010 10:01 am ET

I am furious! This was 1st degree murder. Sr. had plenty of time to think this out. Why did he bring his gun to confront his son? This was a planned murder. It's a sad day for our justice system. Sr. should spend the rest of his life in prison. Jr. is in the ground. Too bad the State of MI didn't have the death penalty.

TAMMY   August 12th, 2010 10:02 am ET

What kind of man kills his child,a FATHER would have helped both his children to get through this crisis,not tortured his son and then killed him. Life Life Life NO PAROLE

joshua   August 12th, 2010 10:03 am ET

If the Cherry family loved Jamar Jr. the way they say then someone should have interviened instead of cherishing their own life.

Joe   August 12th, 2010 10:05 am ET

The real victim is the 3 yr old girl!! As a father we have to be there to protect our daughter from the pedafiles like the 15 yr old boy that he killed. He protected her and that is being a loving father!! Justifiable homicide!! If the boy was in his 20's then everybody would say that the father had good reason. That is why our justice system fails us sometimes!!

Anne Hill   August 12th, 2010 10:05 am ET

Why did no-one in the home call 911 when they saw the father out of controll? It seems to me the people in the home are also guilty of doing nothing to try to save this boy.

Iris H   August 12th, 2010 10:09 am ET

I totally agree with the mother, this man should be put away and never see day light again. If he can kill his son he is a danger to society.

savannah   August 12th, 2010 10:09 am ET

The man has no emotion huh? Ok how does that make you feel that the person that you raised would probably grow up to be a molester,rapist or murderer. McVeigh,Bundy, Dhamer,their parents would probly wish they did something. On the other hand, mr pinkney sr was selfish,murder is not the answer HELP is. Seeing as the boy was 15 and should know "humping" your sister is wrong psychological problems are in play an a teenager I would personally react if my brother did that to my kid sister. The punishment should not have exceeded some physically punishment and therapy time God have mercy on them both because who's to say what you would do if that happened to you.

Roberta Hopkins   August 12th, 2010 10:10 am ET

I have tears steaming down my face watching this family grieve for Jamar Jr. Grandmother Minnie Cherry took my breath when she told of Jamar Jr.'s spirit saying goodbye. He now knows a man named Jesus. I am in total shock over this verdict. Shame on all who orchestrated this.

China   August 12th, 2010 10:11 am ET

The jury got it wrong!!! This guy thought about what he was going to do which is why he brought the gun with him!!!! It was premeditated cold-blooded murder and he deserved the death penalty!!!

Debra   August 12th, 2010 10:11 am ET

I'm satisfied with the verdict, but disappointed that the 10 jurors who initially voted for 1st degree murder compromised as soon as they did with the 2 jurors who didn't.

joshua   August 12th, 2010 10:11 am ET

Everyone acts as if they have been in this same situation, personally i think Jamar Sr. is showing a great deal of emotions by being so closed out.

marie   August 12th, 2010 10:12 am ET

This man they have no heart. No feelings. That's why he killed his son. But I know god, one day, will give him the punishment he rightfully deserves. I hope the family can get the strength from god to help them get through this pain and hopefully find comfort. Also, i hope this man get life for this. I mean, why did his own father kill his son? Because he has no concience. I feel the exact way the family does. And I hope that boy will find peace in heaven.
Thank you.

yvette mcgregory   August 12th, 2010 10:13 am ET

Does anyone but me think that its odd how he got up this morning, put on that pretty suit, put that hanky in his pocket, he thought about his son? Jamar Pinkney Sr. is a SICK individual and should Never walk the streets again.

Sheronda   August 12th, 2010 10:16 am ET

Hopefully the judge will sentence Jamar Sr. to life. The four other assault and weapons charges against him in addition to this murder should boost his sentence. The thing that also upset me was the fact that Karonne Ivey (his daughter's mother) had the nerve to say the trial wasn't fair and that Monique Cherry (Jr's mother) knew he was a good man and father to both of his kids. She must've of been on something to criticize this child's mother for not thinking the say way she did. Did Karonne forgotthat her son was killed in front of her by his father...something's not right with that woman and I'd bet if the tables were turned she wouldn't be making such a ridiculous statement.

Kim Losch   August 12th, 2010 10:16 am ET

As far as I am concerned, this man should spend the rest of his life in prison. And even that isn't enough! This man went to his son's home knowing exactly what he was going to do. There is a special place in hell for people who harm children, and this man has a place waiting for him. He should receive the same amount of forgiveness and compassion that he should his own son – absolutely none!

Mrs. Young   August 12th, 2010 10:16 am ET

This is so sad, how can anybody justify this man killing his son. Some people that touch kids may have been touched themselves as children or young adults. This should have been first degree murder, how can you say that a man shooting this child point blank in the head is 2nd degree. This was premeditated, this man went over there with the gun knowing what he was going to do. But what i don't understand is why the mother didn't do more than what she did. I have 2 kids, i'd take a bullet for either one of them. It's just sad that this man is getting off with a slap on the wrist. And now this little girl has more to deal with instead of just dealing with her brother dry humping her. This was very unfair for Jamar jr.

Regina   August 12th, 2010 10:17 am ET

If this man can do this to his because his daughter says he did this to me. I can see him doing this to the next guy when she comes home and says this guy did this to me.To kill your own and only son with out trying to talk or help him. What can he do to someone else child.

Becky   August 12th, 2010 10:18 am ET

So what happens if Jamar gets out of prison and finds out that his daughter does something that may be inappropriate or wrong ? Would he "snap" again and shoot her like he did with Jamar Jr.? I never heard him say "I'm so sorry for what I've done". He should never get out of prison. How could anyone take their child's life and not be sorry?

Connie D.   August 12th, 2010 10:18 am ET

This was such a sad, sad, tragedy... I believe that justice has been served in this case, but I also believe that there should be consequences for the little girls mother who obviously influenced Mr Pinkney Sr.s' actions...I do not condone the fact the Jamal Jr. sexually molested his little sister, because when she was first taken to the emergency room, there was no signs of penetration, only after Mr. Pinkney Sr. had taken his son's life did the mother of the little girl take the child to another doctor who then found the small vaginal tear...that mother may have actually have caused that injury herself, in hopes of justifying the fathers actions...I feel so bad for the whole family...I think the little girl needs to be seen by a child psychologist, to make sure the injury wasn't caused by the mother.

Theresa   August 12th, 2010 10:21 am ET

Jamar Pinkney, Sr. should spend the rest of his life in prison. The fear, panic, and absolute terror that Jamar, Jr. must have felt in the last moments of his life were caused by his own father. In other circumstances, if a stranger had been attacking him like that, Jamar Sr. would have been the one to whom Jamar Jr. would have run for help, for protection, for that feeling that children need so much... the feeling of knowing that your parent will always be there for you. I can't begin to imagine the fear that Jamar, Jr. felt at the hands of his own father, and Jamar Sr. should pay for that by being imprisoned for the rest of his life.

savannah   August 12th, 2010 10:23 am ET

One more comment,as I think I defended the father by saying that jr was wrong seeing as his "know better age", I must defend jr by saying that his father was past that stage in knowing that you should care for both sides of the children affected he tht of only his daughter who in all was not. Really even harmed, what could have happened did not, and what should not have happened did. The son was man enough to tell his father and if he could not look to this man,the largest morale figure in the house who else could he turn too... they harm molesters in prison but they also harm children killrers they boy was old enough to know but as big as that dude is he could not take him not to mention if the boy prob had a chance to leave he did not hoping his father was still there but sr was not this case is a loose loose situation

brenshina louis   August 12th, 2010 10:24 am ET

I can't believe he killed his own son. I don't have any kids but i feel for the mother of jamar. Ms. cherry keep your head up high and i pray for you and your family. The GOD has a special place in HELL!!!!!! for people who kills kids. thank you

brenshina louis

vince   August 12th, 2010 10:24 am ET

i think that jamar Sr. should spend the rest of his life in prision due to the fact that he murdered his son in the way he did it

Rosemary Maxmillion   August 12th, 2010 10:24 am ET

The verdict should have been Manslaughter. This is the way pedophiles start and this boy would have continuted these acts on others

Margaret   August 12th, 2010 10:25 am ET

The Verdict was correct. I don't think Jarmar Sr or Karonne plan to kill the child thing just got out of hand It doesn't matter what any of us think Jarmar Sr has to pay for his crime by a higher power (GOD) For the emergency room doctor they frequently miss thing .And the stone face of Jamar Sr it did not change when the verdict came in.Jamar Jr mother remind me of another mother ( susan Smith) She played the part of a graving mother to perfection.I can't forget the statement the other grandmother when she said Jr wanted to live with her If mom was such a good and loving mother why did JR want to live with grandmother??????

Bob   August 12th, 2010 10:27 am ET

Unfortunate situation. However, the father saved the son from much anguish in prison himself. The son would have been tried as an adult by any state in the nation, for his act of child rape. Incestuous Child rapists don't get along well in prison and would probably been killed in that setting, himself, for his act against his own 3 year old sister.

The father should see time at the lower end of the guidelines. Nothing in this case would allow for a good outcome either way.

Lindel   August 12th, 2010 10:27 am ET

I think this man's life should be investigated. Looking on the manner in which this killing was carried out, I am strongly of the view that this was not the first time this man has killed somebody.
This was an execution carried out by a seasoned executioner.

joshua   August 12th, 2010 10:30 am ET

I think that the killing was just everyone seems to be forgetting the REAL victim, the THREE YEAR OLD little girl. All child molester's become habitual offenders, Jamar Sr. saved someone else's THREE YEAR OLD from the monster that he could not protect his THREE YEAR OLD from. Let's be serious, this kid was 15 years old, he knew better, he knew what he was doing, and he knew what he was doing was wrong. He did not give the THREE YEAR OLD a chance at a fair life.

vince   August 12th, 2010 10:30 am ET

when he knew what he was doing and when he turn himself in to the police after all he did yes he is a dangeer to anyone he comes across

Regina   August 12th, 2010 10:31 am ET

If this man can do this to his son,because his three year old daughter told him something.He did not even try to get help or let the courts take care of this. He took matter in his own hands. If he can do this to his own and only son I hate to think what he would do.When his daughter gets older and a guy gets her mad and goes to him and says dad this guy did this to me,.What will he do to someone elses child.

Sheronda   August 12th, 2010 10:32 am ET

@Ashlee, I agree with you! However, if there wasn't a compromise there would've been a hung jury b/c none of them believed manslaughter...Jr. would definately not have had any justice.

Carole   August 12th, 2010 10:34 am ET

This man has shown absolutely not one drop of remorse during this whole trial. He sat in front of the defense table like he was so much better than anybody else in the court. He should have the maximum sentence without the possibility of parole. He should have been convicted of 1st degree murder and put to death. The same way he killed his son. The er investigation showed no signs of sexual assault on the little girl. Yet 2 day's later there was a tear? The day after he blew his son away? Who really did it? I think that's a cover up to try to justify the father's actions. The little girl's mother was very uncooperative during her questioning with her I can't remember 5 minutes ago much less that long ago. She was trying to cover it all up. This man murdered his son in cold blood and he deserves the maximum that he can get. And no protective custody for him either. Let the general population get their hands on him. Other convicts don't fear someone who hurt's a child.

Joseph Morrow   August 12th, 2010 10:39 am ET

There is no reason, nor an excuse to kill your own child. he should pay with his life. Coward!

Stormn Normn   August 12th, 2010 10:41 am ET

What a lot of people forget is that we are the most civilized country in the world. Along with this there are certain examples we have to set for the world to follow. We cannot allow the law of barbarians to reason away a simple, balck-and-white situation. This father planned this murder by going to his car to get the gun while confronting his son. Life without parole is a verdict The People want. No lawyers should discedit this because they will certainly not discredit God's judgement.

Harold Kelly   August 12th, 2010 10:43 am ET

How many times do we have to see things like this in order to get the real picture, From my past experince Jamar jr have either tried this before or have been talking to someone, In order for a child to done something that horrible he had to have learned that from somewhere, givin that was his little sister, who knows if he have not tried that with some other little child. But the question is how far would he or will he go before it comes to light. I support the Jamar Sr. It was better for the father to put a stop to it before he really becomes a predator.I would have done the same thing. Like the old people used to say, " I brought you into this world and I'll take you before you become a convict or criminal, or try to kill your own parents like some of the white kids do. We need to get a grip on reality instead of watching it on T.V. , no matter how many times a T.V. star or some sports superstar get in trouble we continue to promote bad behavior, this is were see no punishment for the actions we take. Weak up and lets get this right

Jackie   August 12th, 2010 10:45 am ET

I think you all need to think about this, If a man can go off or snap on his on child, he can do that to anybody. He may be a threat to others in case he should snap again. There where other ways to take care of that problem. His mother has lost a child to foolishness, there is a process when you suppose to think frist, especailly when it come to childern. I don't buy those words he was saying, looks like he was reading it . if it comes from the heart why read it, the brother just trying to get off. He needs life in prison to really think about. That easy to snap on your child, think about it he can snap on any one......

judy4justice   August 12th, 2010 10:49 am ET

I believe that Jamar Sr. acted in a fit of blinding rage.This should have been a crime of passion! As sad as it is to know that he took this young mans life, chances are good that Jamar Jr. was or would have been a pedophile!
He was not a child, he was old enough to know better! The family said that they were planning to get counseling for Jamar. Haven't we all seen by now that counseling for pedophiles does not cure their attraction to young victims!
I am sorry for the family's loss, and no one has the right to take anothers life, but in this case, my real sympathies lie with his little sister, who not only was molested but will now know that she not only lost Jamar Jr.,but her Daddy as well.This will leave emotional scars for a lifetime. I also feel sympathy for Jamar Sr.He will live with what he did for the rest of his life too. These are the real victims in this!

adina   August 12th, 2010 10:50 am ET

Your children are your children but your daughter is your pride in joy!I personally wouldn't have killed my child period,for any given reason.But for a 15 year old kid bragging about raping your 3 year old daughter!And that 15 year old happens to be your son, the 3 year olds big brother!Wow... I don't know what i would do. but i do know that if it weren't my child, what i say i would do if anyone ever touched one of mines! That is what this man did.He probably pictured over in over in his head of what his baby girl felt when her brother was on top of her.That is enough to push anyone to insanity! Sr. should pay for his actions but i believe that he deserves lesser sentence.Him showing remorse should not have anything to do with it.Some people show remorse in different ways and at different times!He will be hurting knowing of what he did.

Bob   August 12th, 2010 10:51 am ET

Justice NOT served. This judge effectively gave Sr, a life sentence when the jury of his peers found him guilty of 2nd degree murder. Yet another case of legislation from the bench.

joshua   August 12th, 2010 10:51 am ET

I am tired of hearing everyone say that Jamar Jr. was the victim, this is not true he is as much a suspect as his father is.

Ida Robinson   August 12th, 2010 10:53 am ET

I was so glad that the judge realized that Jamar, Jr might not have raped his sister. How often first impressions are incorrect. Jamar, Jr should have been allowed to have his day in court. We don't know if he would have spent one day in jail–much less in an adult jail.

Jamar, Sr didn't save his son from anything! How sick was he to have his son strip and go out in public. Makes me wonder what the son had witnessed himself in his father's home and with his father's lifestyle.

Hurrah for the judge!

joshua   August 12th, 2010 10:53 am ET

The guardians of Jamar jr. should also be on trial for their FAILURE to TRY and do something in the situation.

Cloey   August 12th, 2010 10:54 am ET

I cannot believe that they allowed Mr. Pinkney to keep his back toward the family members as they spoke to the judge or any of the time. I understand that they needed to keep him "safe" (was his son kept safe?), but they should have made the defendant face the gallery and especially face the family members who spoke to the judge. Why was he spared from that? Outrageous!

Lillian   August 12th, 2010 10:55 am ET

I think the son was robbed of justice. How dare that jury say second degree murder. He knew what he was doing and he planned the whole thing. I believe that it should have been first degree murder and his sentence should have either been the death penality and the reason I say that is because he gave his son no choice of living. Or he should have been given life in prison with out any chance of parole. He should never be allowed around another child. He does not deserve to see the outside world ever again

savannah   August 12th, 2010 10:55 am ET

I'm sorry one more this is my first day watching the case ....was the mother there...she was ohh okay next time call the cops....not you sit there and say thank you jesus for what. The mother gets no mercy your pity does not phase me...she was selfish she could not choose her son over her husband.... the problem with scociety is weak women, okay he had a gun and would kill her but id rather me than my kid. That would made him stop and think now they both must live with it because they both killed there son...she should go to jail for like being an accomplice all in the house should go to jail they all had a role in his death the whole cherry family mom aunt grandmother and the family friend the blames over everyones head and they know it the momwas not a victim,the ONLY victim is the daughter they throw up all the sons memrobelia. But did not take the daughters scarring in this she will grow up beleiving she was the reason her brother was killed and her mother may even resent her for it somwhere down the line she was the only one truly hurt and now has not brother, father and a dummy for a mother you would think it was the mom who would react strongly I cnt think about this longer everysides more infuriating

Gerard   August 12th, 2010 10:57 am ET

should have been sentenced to life. They should not have reduced the charges in the first place. This was cold blooded murder, seen by many.

Stephanie   August 12th, 2010 10:58 am ET

I am pleased with sentencing this morning. Nothing will bring Jr back, or heal his mother and families wounds. At least they have a peace of mind with Sr being behind bars where he deserves. No matter what no child deserves a death sentence.
May you rest in peace Jamar Jr. Pinkney.....God Bless You.

Marsha   August 12th, 2010 10:59 am ET

I think he should have been charged with first degree murder. But im so happy that he's been sentenced to serve 35 to 80 years. Hearing this case just made my heart ache. How can a father do this to his own son? He didn't love his son because if he did he wouldn't have done this horrible thing.

linda from indiana   August 12th, 2010 11:01 am ET

jamar sr. took the life of his son for a morally wrong act in our society....everybody knows that it was wrong for what jr did but if we arent a society that are there to steer our children on the right path when they are still in there learning years then we end up with a society of adults doing morally wrong many wrongs has he done in his childhood or adulthood???? i am sure like he gave his son...if one warrants would be dead time and again....

Laurie English   August 12th, 2010 11:02 am ET

There is another victim in this case that has not had the attention or consideration that she should have. This is the 3 year old victim. When this young lady grows up, most likely she will not remember the truth of what happened that fateful day. But what she will remember, and will live with every day of her life, is the fact that she lost her brother, by a brutal murder, committed by her own father. Try to imagine the guilt this girl will feel! While she is not guilty of any wrong doing whatsoever, nor is what happened her fault in any way, I strongly suspect she will carry extreme guilt for many years. And this guilt will negatively affect her life every single day. She will need, and deserves, much therapy to help her to cope and overcome the results of that day. My heart breaks for her.

David Martinez   August 12th, 2010 11:02 am ET

A judge finally took a stand and made the right choice. It must have been a tough one though. I could never be a judge look a defendant in the face after something this horrible happened to them and sentence him to jail. My question is will a higher court lower his sentence because of everything that was said on in court session?

Stephanie   August 12th, 2010 11:05 am ET

My heart goes out to the families for this tragic loss but I disagree with the judges decision. If the dad hadnt taken his life he wouldve done it to another child.People who rape dont get rehab all they see is another victim.

Mary   August 12th, 2010 11:06 am ET

Jamar Pinkey Jr. was a sexual child predator in the making. This was not the first time he assualted his 3 year sister. It was the first time he went too far. It was revealed that the girl had a laceration in her vagina- how do you think it got there.

No one seems to care about the 3 year old except her father. Every one is talking about what a good child Jamar Jr. was. What about the three year old. She was assaulted by her brother. We do not know how much of that she will remember.

If they had reported this act to the police and Jamar Jr was arrested he would have been treated like the child molester he was. He would have been convicted and mark as a sexual predator for the rest of his life.

I truly understand Jamar Sr. Who wants to know that their child is a disgrace to society. I think he was enraged and thought about what his baby girl had to endure at the hands of her brother.

steve   August 12th, 2010 11:06 am ET

This father did what all dad's of rafe victims want to do! It's just to bad the predator was his son,but the boy got what he deserved and the judges punishment was in my mind was undeservedby far! stay at the least in the guide lines.

Julie   August 12th, 2010 11:07 am ET

The son needed help – not a death sentence. It's maddening to think of the father getting what his son needed (help). The long and short of it is that there is no forgiveness in this world or the next.

Txdude   August 12th, 2010 11:13 am ET

Anybody that humps a 3 year old girl is a pedophile! We all know that pedoplilia cannot be cured. All the little girls and they're families in the Detroit area should sleep easier now because Pinkney Sr. saved a bunch of them a lot heartaches sometime down the road.

Reality Monger   August 12th, 2010 11:15 am ET

The tragic event was presented as if it happened in a vacuum. As often happens, the story gets slanted due to the sadness of the crime. Jr's mother was presented as if she were a saint. I believe it is more realistic that Jr's mother went to the hospital because she knew that the police might be brought into the situation at that point and wanted to stop that from happening. Every time she tells the story, small details change. I believe in the house that day Sr not only had to deal with his anger towards his son's action, but also the 'nagging' of his baby mama heightened by her jealousy of his other baby mama. Guarenteed all those ladies were not at that house that day keeping as quiet as was presented. (They couldn't contain their outbursts and head shaking in the courtroom, so to assume they were all calm and controlled that day is unrealistic.) I am sure their opinions, nagging and minimizing of Jr's actions towards his daughter to his other baby mama added to his emotional explosion. Hopefully some of their tears are their recognition of the part they each played that lead to this very sad situation.

Mandy B   August 12th, 2010 11:16 am ET

First I must say that if this would have been me that I (The Mother) Would have DIED trying to stop this act of violence... Any mother that wouldn't IS NOT a mother and must not care enough to try to save her child whether she saved herself or not!!! That's what a mother does!!!! And as far as the father I as a parent COULD NOT imagine raising a child that would do such a thing. That would be pain enough. But what about the 3 year old VICTIM in this case, she ccould not defend herself from this sick sick sick little boy. Last but not least Nobody knows what they would do in this situation until it happens to YOU. So it's best to let God do the judging of people because it is not our place.....................

Karen   August 12th, 2010 11:17 am ET

Well a carriage of injustice... My rapest got 60 yrs, some 20+ yrs ago. This guy viciously beats then strips his son and cold bloodedly, calculatingly, and monsterously shots his only son in the head EXCICUTION style and only gets 35-80 yrs. Doesn't that tell us as a society something about our laws. If this doesn't move us as a country to HOUND our legislators to change our laws for our times of todays violence... what does??? I applaud the judge, he uped the anty and imposed a sentence above what the usual sentence for 2nd degree is, but still is that justice? May God have mercy on his soul. And who in their right mind would've wanted him there @ the funneral. He lost any rights when he chose to terminate his son... give me a break. There wouldn't have been a funneral if he hadn't excicuted his son. It was the best the judge could do in the end of it all... We need to change our laws!!!!!

Bob Brown   August 12th, 2010 11:20 am ET

I was leaning toward 2nd degree, but I am convinced that defendent is lying.
Human nature that someone has more knowledge of names of their sexual parts. Defendent says son said, "I put my thing in her Vagina".
I don't believe this.

Pam   August 12th, 2010 11:21 am ET

This is a terible tragedy on every front. But I have to ask the question. So many people were witness to the events, the beatings and the killing. NO ONE during the whole day's events could get to a phone? None of the neighbors heard the screaming of the son and the mother? This seems like a tragedy that could have been prevented. There is no way the father could have beat his son and kept someone else from calling the police. So what really happened? As for the person who said "the father saved the son from a worse fate in prison". Are you serious? You think child molestors and rapists should have a safe go of it? Besides given the son's age at the time of the crime there may have been other factors considered in his case. Of course we won't know that since the father settled the whole matter on his own. Ridiculous. Give Mr. Pinkney Sr. the MAXIMUM.

Dee   August 12th, 2010 11:22 am ET

Even at the sentencing, & when the mother of his son spoke, this cold, emotionless & heartless man just stood there. I thought I was gonna get an emotion out of him but that was me seeing something I wanted to see that just wasn't there. God have mercy on him. When he (Sr.) looks into the mirror for the rest of his life, I hope he sees his son Jr. down on his knees begging for him to forgive him.

Jennifer greene   August 12th, 2010 11:25 am ET

The jury got it wrong. The judge made up for that and got it right.

Vikki   August 12th, 2010 11:26 am ET

I have watched this trial with every second that I could, and the only time that i have heard the defendant ever said he was sorry was at his sentence. If there is anyone here that heard somebody mention they heard through any of the witnesses that Sr apologized please post. Inhabe wondered daily if this has happened. I watched the commentary and not once have I heard anyone say that Sr showed anyone that he wish he could go back and change the events.

Mary   August 12th, 2010 11:26 am ET

The little girl will be further and maybe far more impacted by what her
this awful act of her father. He wasn't thinking of her when he did this.
He had a fair trial . And Im sure there will be an appeal or two. None of the same consideration he gave his son.

Bob Brown   August 12th, 2010 11:29 am ET

Defendant is guilty of premeditation only for the assaults but not the death if the following is true.
1) weapon was in car
2) Defendant did not like the way discussion was going
3) Wanted to physically discipline without interference
4) Went to car to get gun (and tooth brush)
5) Lost control as he was still being crowed by adults
The weapon was clearly NOT in back of pants without holster, while driving and sitting for 1hr

Bill   August 12th, 2010 11:29 am ET

Three things.

1. Should have been 1st degee,
2. You all keep throwing around the word rape. Hymen intact no penatration. Sexual misconduct at best if proven.
3. Mother of 3 year old knows she was driving force. Hope she sleeps well.

dnice   August 12th, 2010 11:36 am ET

I think they should have let him go the boy raped his daughter that's wrong like that's your sister and they did find evidence that he did and let sumbody rape my daughter or niece family member or not they will be underground and I'm not gonna wait for the police Im runnin

Deborah   August 12th, 2010 11:36 am ET

Justice prevail today. That son had time to change from his wicked ways. However his father went too far. The. Worst part of it all he cannot take it back. He cannot say I am sorry. Final step. His son is gone forever. Bless his soul. I pray for peace for the father and the families.

R.   August 12th, 2010 11:37 am ET

The judge seems to have gotten emotionally involved in the case. Seems to be playing to the gallery and to being re-elected. He even quotes the prosecutors. He also implies that the little girll's mother shares the blame for the murder. I don't know if I want judges overridding sentencing guidelines, even in a case like this. What is the judge lowered the sentencing because he sympathized with Sr? No one would have been happy with that. The judge needed to stick to the guidelines.

Princetta   August 12th, 2010 11:46 am ET

I never heard about this until I was looking through channels and saw Mich vs Pinkney, I halted the channel and listened to the charges and I was stunned and been watching since then. I think he is cold blooded with no remorse. It's funny how the most remorse I saw was at sentencing. I never heard Karonne say she felt bad he killed his son and didn't want him to die for this. I never heard Jamar say he wish he could take this back.

Kris   August 12th, 2010 11:51 am ET

I believe the verdict was fair, as was the sentenced he received. I do not believe it was premeditated. The victim admitted to molesting his three year old sister. Penetration is not a required element of sexual misconduct, just the unlawful sexual touching of another. I believe people would have applauded him, had the act been committed by anyone other than his own son.

Colleen   August 12th, 2010 11:52 am ET

When I first heard about this story I truly didn't believe it. When I sat and watched teh preceedings the other night with my mom I REALLY couldn't believe it. I don't believe that Sr. loved his son. There is more to this story. Not the fact that Jr did or didn't molest his sister, but the fact that there was something else going on. They could've taken different avenues to solve the issue, but instead he killed his son as if her were a wounded dog. Jr didn't deserve to be humiliated, disrespected, beaten nor MURDERED! He needed help, not be six feet under. That young man should be here... His father is a poor example of a man, human being and FATHER! How could one have such hatred in his heart for his own child? Would h have done the samething if it were a stranger who allegedly molested his daughter? What about the futre for his daughter? She could possibly grow up and blame herself for her brother being killed by their father! IT'S MESSED UP ALL THE WAY AROUND! I hurt for a family I don't even know. I hope that he gets the max and that everyday he lives in jail is a hellish one.

Princetta   August 12th, 2010 11:57 am ET

Jamar Jr. was a big kid with kid thoughts, thats what kids do explore, he needed to be talked to about puberty and different feelings you feel and what to do with them. He didn't rape her her hyman was still intact regardless of what happened. It is still terrible that that baby had to go through that, im happy she can get this dealt with earlier in life rather than it coming out and destroying her when she is grown. I'm okay with the judgement because he gets time to relive this daily, he is going to need another out of body exp. to get pass this, I don't think he'll ever be paroled anyway.

glenn b.   August 12th, 2010 12:04 pm ET

eye for a eye, the kid rape his sister the father shot the kid. what would the court do to the kid? smack his hand and say you cant do that,that was a bad act,put him away? i bet the court would blame the parents. so the the dad snaps and shoots the kid.well now go out a ask 1000 other men and see what they would have done. their are some people who claim not to being perfect

Vikki   August 12th, 2010 12:04 pm ET

God knows that we all are heartbroken about what was done to the 3 year old baby. But the truth be told, Jr is not the one on trial. This trial is about a pompus something ( he is no man nor is he a real father) that humiliated a child and killed him in cold blood in front of God and everybody. The new found "laceration" that mysteriously appeared after that thing murdered his child is questionable at the least. But that three year old baby is not forgotten. This just wasn't her fight

Megan   August 12th, 2010 12:04 pm ET

I think it is sad that this crime happened so fast that there was no time for any explanations. I feel that most of the time when children are molesting other children in their family that it is because someone had done it to them. This boy could have been a victim and now we will never know.

Bonnie   August 12th, 2010 12:05 pm ET

Jamar Sr went there and went through the motions of hearing what his son had to say for only one reason. He wanted to make sure that his son's mother was present. Reason? This so-called rape, that I'm not sure ever took place, was his excuse to end the relationship with Jamar Jr's mother. What better way than to kill her son in front of her? He was saying, in effect. to her was, their relationship was finished once and for all. He had moved on and wanted his daughter's mother back and hoped this would show her how much he loved her. It was definitely 1st degree murder. It was something he'd contemplated for some time and this sexual movement against his half-sister gave him the perfect reason.

diane robert   August 12th, 2010 12:06 pm ET

For me it is clear that it was an execution this man had a treal to decide is punition and he did not have to face the death penalty unlike is son.

kisha   August 12th, 2010 12:06 pm ET

You all don't realize both families lost, who are we to judge. no one was. In his head so no one knows. Now ask your self what would have u done if these where your kids. He was wrong point blank dead wrong. but at the same time why did the family didn't do something to make him stop beating his son why more wasn't. Done be 4 it got to far and everyone feels coran knew what took place but ask yourself this when its a break up among people when have you ever known the ex likeing the new girl. That women was hurting for her 3yr old. So while we all sitting back judgeing just know everyone lost. Ms.cherry don't have her son.the 3yr old don't have a big brother any more or father, the father will never get to see his son grow into a man,or his daughter go out on her 1st date.The grandparents,aunts,uncle, cousins,and friends lost .So before you judge walk a mile in thi

rochelle   August 12th, 2010 12:08 pm ET

wait! wait! wait a minute, just who is thinking of the little girl that had almost a 2 hundred pound boy on her , at 15 he so new what he was doing.....and now we have no idea if it was the first time, ONCE A PREDATOR ALWASYS ONE . he a (the father) may have just stopped a long line of jr's victim's yes its sad but my vote would have been mansl. i hope and pray the little girl can be helpped to a point that it wont mess with her whole life!

Jackie   August 12th, 2010 12:08 pm ET

I hope he spends the whole 80yrs in prison!!! I think that Ms. Ivey told him too chose between their daughter or his son, if she would have let his mother and father handle this it might have turned out different. I am a parent with both boys and girls and I could have told their father too chose. I hope she is thinking hard about what she said to him before he went over there. It is partly her faulty!!!!

nanci   August 12th, 2010 12:10 pm ET

the judge made a good statement when he said that the father as a parent is suppose to nourish this child and help him through life, because the child is still going through the developmental stages of life, but for the father to take the easy way out of parenthood, he should be punished for that. The father had a right to help his child through this terrible deed, that's the duties as a parent, not exact immediate punishment. Jamar sr got what he deserve, I think he wanted to please the woman of the little girl, and she egged him on, however she cant be charged because she didnt pull the trigger. also to show his disregard for his actions, he was trying to get the life insurance money days after he execute the boy, I still dont think he regrets his actions, he have a cold bad attitude, thank god the boy's mother got some justice in this case.

Chardae Sanders   August 12th, 2010 12:12 pm ET

I have been watching this since day one and i disagree with second degree murder. He shot his own son in the face and didnt even think anything of it. This man got lucky.. he should pay for what he did to his only son. This man sat in that courtroom with no emotion on his face and not even when the mother of the child got on the stand. He just didnt care.

Miguel   August 12th, 2010 12:13 pm ET

This man is can u do that to your own child.....

Don East   August 12th, 2010 12:15 pm ET

If the killing was premeditated by Pinkney why would the boy be shot with witnesses present. I don't think Pinkney was in his right mind because if he was he would realize that he was going to get a long prison sentence.
The mother and others should have interfered when Pinkney was beating on the boy and should never have let the situation get out of hand. A loving mother would have been all over Pinkney protecting her son.

nanci   August 12th, 2010 12:16 pm ET

the guy is a thug, and I definitely feel like there were warning signs that the mother never realized, because days after the killing the father went out and bought stuff for the little girl, he showed no mercy, yes the child did wrong, but he as a parent should bear the burden and help that child out with his problem. I think he loved the little girl and her mother more than the boy, parents do have favorites, even during the case, he never said "my son", he always said jamar jr. he didnt love his son, if my son had done that, I would make sure he get all the counseling and help he needed, he is not an adult, he was a child. and who knows maybe jamar got molested as a baby, and how come the father beat the boy and kicked him like that, I dont think that was the first time either.

Dee   August 12th, 2010 12:17 pm ET

The jury has spoken and the verdict id in. 35 years is no walk in the park. Now: What part of a 170 pound almost 16 year old molesting his three year old step sister don't you people get is WRONG!!! Even if it was just "humping" – it's still molestation and what was that quote from his mother? Oh yes "at least he didn't rape her." That woman has a serious denial problem. That whole gaggle of geese seems to think that Jr. could do no wrong and didn't want the little girl's mother to report him to the police. That it should be "handled" without any outside interference. As for the ER doctor, it didn't seem that he really knew what to look for. Jr. make very sure that no one was around when he did his thing. As for being "curious" abut sex, why wasn't he experimenting with girls his own age?

You lot are also putting a lot of blame on the girls mother with no evidence that she did anything wrong except try to get help for her daughter when she was told about the molestation. I wouldn't take the first doctors word either if I believed that something had happened. Second opinion is always good.

Dana   August 12th, 2010 12:18 pm ET

It should have been manslaughter. Jamar Sr. is not a threat to society. He snapped and killed the predator of his baby daughter. Monique should have stepped in when the beating started, gun or not. She is trying to place blame on the mother of the little girl to direct attention away from the fact that she did not try hard enough to protect her son. The judge allowed too many theatrics that focused on inflaming outrage over the murder of the boy. People are forgetting the fact that Jamar Jr. set in motion the entire situation when he chose to molest his baby sister. I don't believe for one minute that there was a conspiracy or pressure from the baby's mother to kill Jamar Jr. Hopefully Moniques' fifteen minutes of fame are over. She has definitely made it all about her pain and disregarded that other people were hurt first.

sherrie   August 12th, 2010 12:19 pm ET

I bet the two jurors that held out for 2-second degree murder were the 2 men on the jury!! They didn't take in the fact that all this was done in front of the mom and other family members who are witnesses as well. He didn't care and planned the whole thing even when the test came back negative on the child the first time , how the hell it is gonna be positive two days later with no penetration anyway. this was all hearsay at this point. The child's mom need to be investigated she appears to be a liar and would do anything for her man,(it didn't work)

lorenzia   August 12th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

well he got what heneed 35 to 80 years in jail

Jasmin   August 12th, 2010 12:28 pm ET

First off, let me say that this is a sad case. But honestly, I can understand why Pinkney Sr. did it. Granted, I not saying Pinkney Jr. deserved to be executed, but something had to have been done. The boy needed to be dealt with. Y'all keep saying he needed help, but that boy had shown that he was a sicko. He was 15 years old molesting freaking babies, literally. There ain't no counselor except God's who can bring a person out of that sick state of mind. I think it's safe to say that that sick little boy didn't look to God for any guidance. As much as I hate to say it, Pinkney Sr. may have save to the fragile minds of several little girls.

JOANN PLACE   August 12th, 2010 12:29 pm ET

this man should be put to death!!!

sharon   August 12th, 2010 12:39 pm ET

I've read a lot of comments, but nothing so sad as to hear someone call this man a hero, exactly what makes him such a hero, the fact that he shot his own son in the head as he begged for his life and forgiveness in front of the child's mother.

carolyn   August 12th, 2010 12:40 pm ET

He should have been guilty of 1st degree murder the little girl mother pushed that man to kill his son it is so conflicting 1st no sign of sexual assault, then a day after the killing something is there I don't no if the little boy done it or not but he should of had his day in court just like they gave the father and they knew the father killed him

Eddie   August 12th, 2010 12:42 pm ET

I am new to this case. I was informed of it about three days ago. It was hard to believe that a parent may have done such a thing. I am a father of a murdered child. She was Murdered Aug. 29, 1995. I can't imaging the horror the mother must have felt as she witness this event. Just yesterday I was dismiss as a juror in the Cesar Laurean – Maria Lauterbach murder case here in Goldsboro (Wayne Couty) NC. I could see the pain in Maria mom's face as she sat in court. I feel this pain every day. 15 years now, my daughter's case still not solved.
I just happened to turn on court tv this morning and caught the verdict in the Pinkney case. Can't imaging why this was not a first degree murder case. All the elements for a first degree case was there. This was not a spur of the moment thing. This was pure premeditation on his part. The Judge should have giving him 100 years without the possibility of parole ever. I also heard his comments, they don't change the fact that this child is dead, dead by his hand. What has happened to our world, that these kind of things continue to happen.

marsha wechsler   August 12th, 2010 12:44 pm ET

i think this dad should have been convicted of 1st degree murder. a sentence of 35-60 years was not long enough. if this man did not have a gun his son would be alive. guns in the hands of maniacs cause people to get killed.

Ann   August 12th, 2010 12:51 pm ET

The judge in this case is a disgrace. The statement about whether or not the 3 year old was actually penetrated should not have been made and should not even be an issue in this case....the only issue is whether or not Sr. BELIEVED the girl was penetrated. For the judge to say he didn't believe the rape had occurred re-victimized the only true innocent victim in this case (the 3 year old!). She will look back on the case when she is older and see his statement. The judge did not need to make that statement to get his point across and it was irresponsible of him. BTW, the jury got it right. Although I believe in my heart it was first degree murder, the prosecution did not 100% prove it and if I had been on the jury I would have had to vote for second degree despite my personal feelings.

Tricia   August 12th, 2010 12:54 pm ET

To all of you disappointed and furious at the verdict, ask yourselves this question. "What would I do if this were my father, grandfather, brother, uncle, cousin, son, who molested my young daughter?" Sexual abuse usually begins in the home, most don't have the courage to report and get justice for the young victim. Yet, we will cowar in silence, go into denial, hoping it will go away. Yes, what the boy did was wrong, he was molested himself. Possibly, so was the father when he was a child, which might explain, but not excuse his visceral reaction.

amber   August 12th, 2010 12:58 pm ET

Has everyone just completely forgotten who the "Innocent Victim" is in this whole case???? Dont get me wrong, my heart goes out to the Cherry family for there lost. But you just have to think logical about the whole sitiuation. Jamar Sr. was put in a whole horrible position. So how can anyone judge this man??? When his 3yr old daughter tells him that his 15yr old, 170 pound son brutally raped her??? Dont know to many fathers who wouldnt snap with that kind of news. He didnt want to kill his son. But im pretty sure he would have reacted the same way had it been someone else who rapped his daughter. Like what going on in Jamar Jr. life/mind that would make him think this was appropriate behavior. If he would do this to his own sister, what other family members have he molested???

Detrese   August 12th, 2010 1:07 pm ET

I just wanted to say I read some comments that really distured me, most of you ppl who think jamar jr got what he deserved sickened me because least the boy admitted what he did and he showed remorse unlike his father. jamar sr had no right to kill him in that manner. Wasn't it enough that he beat his son, but no he had to kill him. Jamar jr was not a molestor he should have been given the opportunity to get the help he needed. The little girls mother Ivey should be charged with conspiracy if you ask me.

pem1970   August 12th, 2010 1:13 pm ET

I know that all can agree that this is a tragic case. While I can sympathize with the father's anger at the actions of his son. He let his emotions take over. He should have contacted the authorities, had his son removed from his home, got his daughter counseling, and let the legal system work. But instead he became a judge, and jury. Now, he's a murderer, his son is dead, his daughter, and wife are without a father, and husband. What started out as a terrible situation, is now a horrible tragedy. And i think the jury came up with a logical verdict. I think people forget there are 12 jurors with different beliefs, and life experiences.

deon   August 12th, 2010 1:14 pm ET

jamar sr. should recieve a no sentence he only did what any father would have done

ButterFlyGirl7   August 12th, 2010 1:21 pm ET

This has to be the most tragic case I have ever seen. A father killing his son on allegations of aledged molestation from a girlfriend? Karronne Ivey should have been declared a hostile witness based soley on the fact that she was very selective on reveling information while on the witness stand. Also, had Jamar Jr. or Jamar Sr. had any history with prior molestions committed against themselves. Jamar Sr. never forgave Jamar Jr. even though Jamar Jr. begged him for forgiveness. I hope he remebers that when he ask for forgiveness. The innocense of two children lost. My heart hurts for this family and I pray that they through God are able to keep L.O.V.E in there hearts, and L.O.V.E for each other as they go through this difficult time.

Alice   August 12th, 2010 1:24 pm ET

It was premedited, and he knew he was going to kill him. He should have received the death penalty. At least the girl has a chance to live! They sounded like they did not even know the whole story about what happened. Shame on all the women, they were not much of a mother.

Donny B   August 12th, 2010 1:27 pm ET

all I want to know is how can a men seat there and not cry or show any signs that you care. when your sons mom is telling the court how you killed your son I dont understand it, Jamar Jr is in a better place and with a father who has forgiveing him. my love and pryers to the fam and know that God is with you now and for ever God bless you

G. THAMES   August 12th, 2010 1:48 pm ET

I am sick because this man is cold to the core. I am a christian and I truly believe people deserve a second chance, but this dad didn't give his son a second chance. The boy was sick and needed some help because a normal person wouldn't touch his sister, but that doesn't give his dad the right to take his life in such a cold way. God and God alone is the giver and taker of life. If we start taking matters into are our hands life will be completely out of order. The reason why we have a criminal justice system is so matter of disorder can be handled in a orderly manner. I truly believe Jamar Sr should have to think about his actions in jail for the rest of his nature life and i f I am wrong God please forgive me.

d n   August 12th, 2010 1:54 pm ET

I feel that jamar sr should have received a more heftier sentence than 30-80,its sad that the lil girl was molested yes and jamar jr should have been punished 4 that but not with his life,I see someone said earlier that someone said once a pedophile always a pedophile,I dnt agree there r ppl out there who have gotten the help they nEed 2 over come this,jamar jr prooved he needed and wanted help by admitting 2 molesting hiS sister he could have easily denied wut she said and made it look as if she was lieing especially being that there was no signs of penetration but he didn't he told his mother that wut she said was true,now with the father coming over there hours later and doing something terrible as pistol whippn him strippn him then taking him and shooting him exacution style while staring in his face as he begged anD pleaded 4 his life was beyond ridiculous and sad first I blame the father then I blame everylast adult that witnessed this bcuz they could have prevented this its crazy how they watched the whole thing and not once did anyone try 2 call the cops!!! This is just sad he could have got help!!

adajo   August 12th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

Does anyone know if the daughter's mother will receive social security or any other financial assistance while he is in prison for her or her daughter? After calling on the insurance money, I know how greedy she is. I wouldn't want her to have one cent of my tax dollar. I feel she is as guilty of murder as Jamar sr.

Dee   August 12th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

Something I forgot in my earlier post – many of you have said how sad that she won't have her father or brother – I'm sure she'll miss her father – but a brother that will molest you when you're too young to protect yourself – what's to miss? More of the same thing he's already done to you? Who in their right mind would miss that?

REAL TALK   August 12th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

Also, the jury was biased and unbalanced. It was all women feeding off their emotions like the Detective sitting at the Prosecution's table!!! Unheard of.

Theaudreyc   August 12th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

While this case has been emotional for all involved, I don't feel life was the best outcome. I feel time should have been given yet, to what extent.
Take into account the 3 yr. old. What about her life, what about her feelings. The defense didn't do a good job bring this point out. I also wonder by the fathers reaction to this orde

Theaudreyc   August 12th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

Justice is a funny thing. A child is dead, a child was molested, and a father is in prison for the rest of his life. Sad all the way around. I feel the defense should have bought out more about the act that created the chain of events. A 3 yr. old was molested. What about her. The fathers response appears to me to have been a trigger of maybe past trauma in his life. Was he molested and no one did anything, Huh, a trigger definately. Did he lose it yes. Did his son deserve to die, No.

I ask myself as a mother and a grandmother what I would do if someone touched one of them. I think this case deserves a lot of soul searching by us all. What do you really feel you would DO?

shanett   August 12th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

This man should have been given life. I watched the trail when I can and he showed no emotions as if his son was nothing but trash. I have benn molested myself but my family did not kill anyone, the court deal with it. As parents you love and cherish your children during the good and bad times. Who knows if this boy was molested himself by someone and kept it secret, getting help will have been the best thing to do. Anyway; staying in prison...I hope he hear his son's last words everyday until he good crazy.
My prayers goes out to the family of the vitcim, may God bring them comfort and peace.

Diane   August 12th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

Why woud anyone pack a pistol to go discipline his fifteen year old? God forbid that his daughter would ever do something to upset him! What then? Would he slow roast her over a pitfire while she scream for her life?

jenna love   August 12th, 2010 4:22 pm ET

The father was trying to hide behind the son, i'm convinced that the father was molesting his son, and was afraid that the son would tell the truth. What other reason would he kill his only son,

Kassy   August 12th, 2010 4:41 pm ET

Why would this man have a child knowing this is his only son he side with the three girl mother which that lil girl haven't been touch her mother never like jamar jr u can tell but the father was to cold heart for me he got what he desever

Sandy   August 12th, 2010 4:46 pm ET

I do agree with the verdict and he should have gotten time in jail like 20 years. I do believe the kid confessed to what the father said and he snapped. True, he should not have killed the kid but he has probably done the kid a favor. He would have had to live with being a child molester for life and would have probably grown up to do worse things.
I feel sorry for the mother and the mother of the little girl and the little girl herself. No one should have to see their child murdered and worse of all by their ex who was the father of this child. I do believe he loved the boy and the boy loved him. It is just a sad thing for everyone involved.

Tricia   August 12th, 2010 5:44 pm ET

I feel like Jamar Sr needs to do every bit of that 80 year. As far as the little girl it was never proven that Jamar Jr. molested his sister humping is not molesting it still was wrong but did he really deserve to die? As far as understanding if it was my child I did take a look at that and I came to the conclusion that if the comment was made to me about my child being molested I would take her/him to be checked out and again to my family doctor but I would do it ASAP not 2 days later. My heart goes out to the Cherry family. Seems like to me if 2 days later there is a tear then the mom needs to check other sources.

Lois Scott   August 12th, 2010 5:46 pm ET

If the little the little girl was brutaly raped why did they take her to daycare on monday ? thier was no rape ,the boy was bagdered for hours after the ER DR. at CHILDRENS hospital said heman entect ,little girls mother not happy with that so SR kept on and on at the boy that night and for hours the next day.

Linda   August 12th, 2010 6:06 pm ET

The father should have receieved life without parole

Dana Matthews   August 12th, 2010 6:07 pm ET

This is absolutely disgraceful!!
This jury has murdered Jamar jr again!
If it was their son or daughter that had been taken, I'll bet
anything they would have found it in the first degree!!!
I'm so saddened and outraged at this ridiculous verdict, this jury needs to be tried themselves, they have no excuse for this type of ruling...
I hope when they look in the mirror every morning of their lives that they see the injustice they have brought forward today!!!!

lynette   August 12th, 2010 6:39 pm ET

jamar sr deserves way worse than what he got he did not murder a molester he murdered his son.if his daughter was really raped by his son there is no way in the world any doctor would not be able to tell she was raped he is 15 and she is 3 there is no excuse for the crime this man commited against his own son instead of taking his life he should have been trying to figure out who if anyone had been molesting his son as a child to make him want to touch his much younger sister all molesters are usually molesters cause they had at some point been molested themselves.the fact that there were no signs of intercourse at all simply shows that this father took his sons life for nothing may god have mercy on his soul for this man showns no signs of remorse for what he did at all how could you love your daughter and not love your son i really feel sorry for jamar jr's mother and family this will be something will be forever in the memories jamar sr's lawyer is trying to make this trial about the 3 year old daughter but the trial no longer has anything to do with the daughter but the father taking his son's life he is a victim as much as the daugther my thoughts and prayers really go out to this family.

leslie sellers From Ga.   August 12th, 2010 10:17 pm ET

To bad his trial was not in Ga. He could be put to his death. Yes this young man had a serious problem but could have been helped. He was young enough to be helped with the right Drs. To bad the mother of the 3 year old could not be charged with something. I feel like she planted the seed for this tragic. My prayers go out to Jrs Mom and her family. Hopefully she can take this tragic and do some education for families who may face this situation in the memory her precious beautiful child. May God be with you all. .

T. Harris   August 12th, 2010 10:29 pm ET

While I would have voted for first degree I think with second he will never see the light of day again. Plus regardless of whatever the verdict no one wins in this situation. I think it was premeditated and I also think Ivey knew what was going to happen but has tried and succeeded in keeping her name out so that she would not be named as an accessory. And while Monique Cherry showed concern about her child not once did she even say or convey remorse for what happened to Jamar Jr. all she seemed to care about was Jamar Sr. I also got tired of people saying the little girl was "raped" while there was evidence of something there was no evidence of rape. And if his son did provide additional information he should have known it wasnt what he meant because they had already gone to the ER. This is just a sad, sad set of events all around. I just pray their strength in the Lord because he is the only one who can get them through the rest of their life.

Maria   August 12th, 2010 11:34 pm ET

Karonne should be right there with him. I believe Karonne was very instrument what occurred here.
In addition, Karonne should consider her little girl lucky...This man kills his own son mobster style
would think nothing about killing her or her children if she wronged him. Karonne need to think out of the box and stop thinking about how much he paid her in child support. There is a good reason neither women were living separate from this man. He should have gotten 1st degree.

stacey steele   August 13th, 2010 12:17 am ET

I absolutely abhor the fact that Senior murdered his son-–what he should have done, as a resposible parent of BOTH of his children, would have been to ensure that the authorites got involved asap. Although I feel very badly for Monique Cherry, I do NOT agree with her stating that they would
" take care of it as a family". Sexual abuse requires punishment and tons of councelling. Had either parent of Junior got on the phone to the cops a day earlier, perhaps Sr. would have been satisfied that both kids would be receiving competent, professional help, and Jr. would be turning 16 in 5 days. Tragedy all the way around.

SUZZIEQ   August 13th, 2010 1:32 am ET

Idont like the verdict he had no right to take his son life.They should have got Jamar jr so help that is all he needed not to be shot like a animal.No father I know would do that to a son that he loved.And the statement that Jamar sr read was awful couldnt even speak just awful.When did Jamar sr become GOD not.Ms Ivy has some blame in this also .I loved what the Grandmother read about Jamar being a foolish man so true and lusting( those are sins that are set in motion.Dont worry family members he will be repaided by the just one GOD.

shalika   August 13th, 2010 3:09 am ET

I watched the entire trial, if he killed his son to prove a point that is sad What troubles me is that he was very close to his son and it is hard for me to believe that a person would be able to hurt their child in such a manner, however no person who took careof their child for that many yrs cant feel any pain regardless off how he appears on the outside, I think he loved the boy. I is a sad story for everyone real sad.

shalika   August 13th, 2010 3:14 am ET

I agee with c k coleman..he may have saved many children, if a child rapes someone at the age of 15 he was just gettin started. No the father shouldnt have killed the boy but if someone rapes your daughter how would u handle it? at the age of 15 you know very well that humping your sister is dead wrong, he was a rapist in the making.

June   August 13th, 2010 10:29 am ET

This so-called "father" seemed to have followed a retribution based on some religious edict ... was he ever connected with any particular sect or religion? This whole case is about a depraved act followed by a very vicious solution.

gail   August 13th, 2010 11:02 am ET

first degree. 10-2 its call deliberation. Im suprise that they didnt take more time to understand the difference between first and second degree murder. He thought about what he was going to do. first degree. It didnt just happen. He took a gun with him. Why do you need to take a gun with you to talk with your sun?

dionne   August 13th, 2010 11:20 am ET

It is a shame that 2 jurors did not see this as 1st degree murder.
But the real sad part is the little girls mother could only think about her. Yes it is sad what he did to her, but he deserved to live and get help. Most molesters have been molested themselves.
Pinkney Sr. did not snap he kept asking over and over for detail so he
could get angry enough to do what he and Coran wanted him to do.
which is the unthinkable. Murdering your own flesh and blood.
Coran showed no remorse for Pinkney Jr.'s life at all.

Marie   August 13th, 2010 11:29 am ET

He Shouldve Gotten The Death Penalty For What He Did. He Had No Right To Kill His Son. He's Nothin But A Dead Beat Father He Dose'nt Deserve To Live

msjade44   August 13th, 2010 12:00 pm ET

He should have gotten 1st Degree murder he still have his life but his son do not have his life .I still do not understand why he have gotten 2nd Degree murder

pearl   August 13th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

No one wins. Lives are destroyed forever. It's really sad and i hope that all parties involved could find some peace one day. May God be with all of them and Jamar Jr. Only you God and that little girl truly know what happened that day. It's just wrong to take another life. Espeacially the one of your son, a preacious gift from God. My heart bleeds for the mother of this Jamar Junior. The image of your son being shot engraved in your memory for ever. Words can't explain. This case brought so much tears to my eyes. This case hit close to home for me because i am a survivor of child abuse

DJ   August 13th, 2010 5:09 pm ET

There were 2 victims in this case. Jamar Jr. and his younger sister. I hope people don't lose sight of that.
2nd degree murder? This is what I call "NO JUSTICE!" The sad thing is that Jamar Jr. did not get the opportunity to receive any counseling or some kind of intervention to get him help. I understand that Jamar Sr. acted in a momentary bit of rage, but to kill his ONLY son? I think he knew exactly what he was going to do. Almost sounds like "pre-meditated" murder. He marched his son from the house, out to a field, made him strip naked & made him beg to not kill him? "Daddy, No. Daddy, No." He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. He was enraged but seemingly had the mental capacity to reason and rationalize what tragic act had been alleged on his daughter to confront his son enough to play Judge, Jury & Executioner. My personal opinion is also that Coran got him enraged enough to commit the act to kill his son. I fault her as much as Jamar Sr. I hope that the families can begin the healing process now.

candi   August 13th, 2010 6:08 pm ET

This was not justice he knew he was going to talk to his son why take the gun this was first degree murder and he got away with it this is a shame.He doesn't seem to care about his daughter now does he he didn't even cry when he was telling it and what his son said to him i don't believe him he had an outer body experience please he had the gun plus they are not saying that child had anything but a tear which can happen to little girls even without sexual contact my daughter had it no one touched her it was not proof that his son completely raped her yes that child did wrong but his father was judge jury and god he should have never ever taken that gun with him plus why would he have a gun with a three old stupid he got off and he knows it oh yea he is on medication ok come on defense lawyer i have been on them as well but i still can get emotional he showed nothing no emotion what so ever this was an open and shut case it should have been first degree murder i don't believe in execution but this one he is one who deserves it.

Ms. M ~ Milw   August 13th, 2010 6:10 pm ET

It's fair to say he will never leave prison alive, whether by old age or the hands of another prisoner. He deserves what he was sentenced to. HOWEVER, if the hospital personal had done their job right in the first place, they are mandated reporters for suspected child abuse. When that baby was taken to the hosp to be check for possible sexual assault Jamar Jr would still possibly be alive and Jamar Sr. may be in jail for another reason, possibly child abuse for beating his child for allegdly "humping" his sister.
A lot if things were handeled very wrong from the beginning and i truely believe someone else sexually abused that child, and it was not her brother Jamar Jr...
How could there not be signs of sexual abuse on the day she was taken to the ER one day before Jr was killed and then there are signs two day later after Jr is killed...
Ms. Ivey needs to keep a close eye on who her baby is around in the future. I personally don't think we have heard the last about her, she seems a little suspect to me...

Cindy   August 14th, 2010 11:34 am ET

I feel bad for everyone in this case. My heart goes out to them. I do not approve of the out come of all of this. But i am not going to judge, I have been in this mans shoes and until you have walked in those shoes you do not know what you would do. I came close to ending his life but in my case as a mother i stopped myself I had to protect both of my children. My son was 15 and my daughter was 7. I was totally beside myself and really lost all control. It was like I was outside of my body and it was really not happening but it did happen. I could not make myself make the decision i had to make so I called 911 and I let them handle it and I just backed out of it. Could I have done what this father did? Yes but I didn't I have not spoken to my son in 17 years, and he has been locked up 3 times for the same thing with other children. All under the age of 11. So get this little girl the help she needs our whole family went to counseling, And don't judge that is for god to do. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

sherry   August 14th, 2010 8:18 pm ET

what is wrong with the people on that jury. what is a compromise when you are talking about a childs life. they failed to get justice for the son or his mother. with all the crime you have in michigan, i can see why. if you let a cold-blooded murderer get away wiyh killing his own son i can see why crime is rampant in your city. you are afraid to punish the very people who need to be in prison. the whole city should be a shame d of this ridiculous verdict, shame on you detroit

Chantelle   August 14th, 2010 9:42 pm ET

I can't believe a "father" who brought a child – his son – into the world – would kill him!!!! He needs to be sent to prison for life without parole!!!! Jamal JR did not get any justice! and those jurors who could not come to terms with FIRST DEGREE MURDER – I hope you all can live with yourselves!!! Shame on you!!!!!!!!

dragon102   August 15th, 2010 7:29 am ET

My family was in a VERY similar situation. 12yo nephew, 4 year old daughter. We trusted in the system, and thank you Lord the system worked. She got counceling, he got juvy with counceling. Now he is 18 and praying that he makes a good life for himself as we maintain no contact.

We didn't hurt him, we didn't shoot him, and made sure he was protected until he was in police custody.

While in one sense I can sympathize with this family, there is nothing in this world that would make me or anybody else shoot their child in the head execution style unless it was something they were already prone to do. He had it in his head to do this, he planned it and did it.

This man has alot to atone for.

Christy   August 15th, 2010 3:46 pm ET

The bible not only speaks of sons and daughters being against one another.
It also speaks of a few other important things as well. There is such a thing as family curses, that is past on to generation to generation, to the 4th and sometimes 5th generation.
People need to stop and think about who they are having children with. This is why each parent should ot be unequally yoked... bad genes can be passed on to your children. No body is perfect thats a fact. This is why it is so important to raise your children with the love of God and the love of both parents in it. Raise up a child in the way they should go, when they are older they will not depart from it. all ways Do your best by your children. This is a very sad situation. However Mr.Pinkey has to serve is time and still live with what he has done and I just hope he gets his life right with God, before he stands before him.. God is a forgiving God and if he is saved by Gods grace... It will all be under the blood of Jesus. I'll be praying for him

Ally   August 15th, 2010 6:19 pm ET

At any point, did the parties involved in the investigation of the little girl's rape think to ask; why would a fifteen year old boy do something like this? Is there a deeper reason to him taking out these feelings on his sister? Even if there was no medical evidence of him committing the crime.
His father apparently didn't, according to his story he let rage get the best of him and beat, humiliated, and shot his son. Where does the parental instinct kick in? How can you love one child, whether a vile act is committed or not, more than the other? They are both flesh and blood, they are both a part of your soul and were brought into this world because of you.
I don't think this was an impulse killing. This monster that dares to call himself a 'father' knew what he was doing. I am interested to see what the young girl remembers when she grows up, but I also know that it's deeply personal and something that probably won't be shared.
This guys deserved a first degree conviction.
Pure and simple.

Carmelita   August 16th, 2010 12:16 am ET

I watched Jamar Sr. during his trial. This man has ice running through his veins because I saw no reaction when Jamar Jr.'s mother described her son's murder. Understand this: when the 3 year old child was examined by a doctor in the emergency room, he saw no evidence of penetration, Therefore, the child was not raped. Jamar Jr. told his father he rubbed against the little girl. He did not molest her. The girl's mother goaded Jamar Sr. into taking extreme action. He probably told her about the beating he gave his son; that wasn't enough for her. Now the boy is dead, his father's in prison and the little girl's mom will ind another lover. She certainly won't be Jamar Sr.'s girlfriend much longer. WOW!!!

dilla   August 16th, 2010 8:29 am ET

Every one has more sympathy for the offender than the victim a 3 year old girl. I was violated at age 8 by a close friend of the family. The suffering never ends you don't need to penetrate other things done are just as horrific. If you think because someone is three they won’t remember think again. The guy 15 went on to offend again and again with each release from a treatment facilities. There was no father to stand for me and handle my offender. He pleaded cried and begged for his life. What about a girl pleading and begging for her vertue, innonce, and normal life. WOULD THE OFFENDER STOP?

las   August 16th, 2010 10:44 am ET

No reason he didn't get first degree, and what happened to jury of your peers?

monie   August 16th, 2010 11:00 pm ET

lissen...walk in his shoes..if you found out one of your kids was havin forced sex with your baby girl..I think anyone would just go krazy for a split second...its a sad case all around ..that lil girl will forever be scarred...I believe he is a loving father ...he reacted as any father would...I mean that was his son but he was a bad seed...everyone is thinking of the son..think of this baby,...that boy knew right from wrong...when are ppl going to stop letting this happen in famlies..

Elaina   August 17th, 2010 8:22 am ET

i think he should have been charged with first degree murder. He hyad no right to take this childs life.

Kenneth Baker   August 17th, 2010 10:09 am ET

Why have a gun if your "intention" is to question your own son? Jamar Jr. was no threat to his father. Thers is no plausible excuse for having the weapon other than the fact that he intented to use it after he got the confession he was looking for.

Upset Fl   August 17th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

Second degree murder!!! Are u serious!! I 'm not one to judge but this man really got a pat on the back for killing his son.

Al   August 17th, 2010 3:13 pm ET

I don't condone him killing his son but there were two victims in this case. His three year old daughter was sexually molested by his 15 yr old son his son knew right from wrong. I understand his hormones was wraging but this little girl was young. This man never been in trouble before. We all as parents have this saying i brought u in this world i take u out. I watched this trail and everyone was saying how the father was cold blooded but he wasn't coldblodded into he killed his son. I believe he loved his son but the situation he was put into made him do something he will always i feel regret for the rest of his life. We don't know what we would have done in this situation. A 15 yr old touching a 3 yr old is disguting. In this case everyone loses. If he didn't kill his son then the authorites would have to take over. The hospital should have called and followed proper prodcedure in this incident. Who is it that knows if he didn't kill his son, would consueling have helped. We are juding this man only the ones involved know what really happened. If i was a juror i would have convited him of manslaughter. Dealing with a rape or sexual assault is not easy and i wouldn't wish that on anyone. Again i don't condone him killing his son but i don't know what i would do if i was in his shoes. I belive he loved both of his kids and he just went about it the wrong way.

TALETHA   August 17th, 2010 6:15 pm ET

what has the world come to when a father makes a choice to kill one of his children? what happen to the parent protecting his children both of them and getting them counseling and making sure that it never happen again. when do u make the choice to end your child's life? when because now i'm confused because i was taught to love my children equally so i believe that all parties involved should have sat down like the adults they were and discussed what was the proper thing to do was going to be and not make decisions while being angry and then we wouldn't be making comments and the family although broken could have heeled it may have taken awhile but it would have. now a precious child is gone an one is hurting so who wins in the end? NO ONE DOES .

kiera   August 17th, 2010 7:02 pm ET

What if it was your little helpless three year old girl or grandbaby. she was so helpless could you even think about what that LITTLE girl was thinking about when he was hurting her, it is not about weather the dad was right or wrong it is about the little girl. yes he did take it a little to far only because his son is dead. he should of left him a live so he could of felt the same shame and hurt the little girl did WHILE HE SIT IN JAIL. lets not forget she was only three years old and he was 15 could you even see that happeening in your head i know i cant it is sad that the poor girl is going to have to live the rest of her life having went throu something so bad she will always be messed up because of what he did we are not talking about a 5year old boy who didnt know any better we are talking about a 15 year old young MAN

Heat is filled   August 18th, 2010 11:11 am ET

I hope he rots in jail. There are so many unanswered questions. Was they father molesting the son and the daughter and he didn't what the family to know:? The little girl said Jamar touched her. She didn't say Jr. or Sr. Just Jamar. How could you kill your child on a lie? Why didn't the girl mother get time also? Why didn't Jarmar's mother or grandmother call 911 after Jamar Sr threathing them? So Many Unanswered Questions?

CandyLand   August 19th, 2010 3:04 pm ET

Don't forget....the boy is dead...out of any misery he would have ever suffered in this world OR in the prison system........

This little girl is still alive and suffering..........SUFFERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HH2   August 20th, 2010 5:39 am ET

There is no rehabilitation for a child molester. The man did everyone in his community with children the ultimate public service, tragic but needed.

Jenmar81   August 20th, 2010 11:13 am ET

What happened before the shooting was tragic but when the daughter was taken to the hospital the doctors said her hymen was still intact did else happen? I do not know maybe Jamar Jr touched his sister in an a way he should not have but his father should have sought help & not to muder his child. I do not know how you can shhot your son in the face its beyond me. If they were so upset over it why did they not call the police and file charges? Children at Jamar Jr age can get help & be turned around I cannot imagine that childs fear as he saw his father pointing a gun at him & knowing he would be shot. Its terrible.

Wanda Hendrix   August 20th, 2010 2:16 pm ET

I believe that he should have gotten death! That man knew what he was doing, he knew that he was going to kill him.

amina   August 21st, 2010 3:48 pm ET

There is no rehab for a peophile. THe mother tried to sugarcoat things likeit was petty theft charge. She wanted to cover it up let the little girl suffer and possibly get attacked again to save her pride. We only have her word as to what went on. perhaphs she planned a cover up and the father felt he had no other way since his family did not want to get the police involved. How can they go to a counselor and say the son rape the girl without the counselor being bound to call the authorities ? CPS would have been called and the boy arrested, but his mom would probably lie /cover up for him because she was only concerned with her son and her name. This is why the father felt pushed to do what he did . He is not cold-blooded, but as in war the mind is at peace with its decision if you feel it was justified.
Only 30 % of teen rapist were victims of childhood abuse bur the dad may have been a victim or witness to such abuse as a kid.

Penny   August 22nd, 2010 7:20 am ET

no one thinks of the little girl in any of this...I don't believe there is a cure for a molester and the damage done is forever. At 15 you know that....sorry, no hurt feelings here

Mo   August 22nd, 2010 1:19 pm ET

I do not believe this father is a threat to society. He has a healthy concept of right and wrong from my perspective. The man could not accept the young mans conduct. A young man preying on his 3 year old sibling is a real serious problem. One in which the young man was already manipulating his story to suit himself when the child revealed the abuse. The father's actions were not in accordance with the countries legal system but I do not judge his core belief that his own son did not posses boundaries nor the ability to be honest, both major issues.

Mary   August 25th, 2010 2:35 pm ET

I think the HEARTLESS son of a gun should have gotten First degree murder. He knew exactly what he was doing. He could have dealt with the situation a whole lot differently. And the hospital report stated that the little girl had not been raped. Far as penitration. Yes it was wrong for him to touch her in any kind of way. I don't understand, how it says the mother, grandmother, and aunt were there and did nothing. Someone could have gotten ant type of object to knock this fool out once they realize what he was about to do.

Rhonda Turner   August 27th, 2010 1:24 pm ET

I feel that he did not love his son. It is one thing to beat him for something of this nature. But to put a gone to a son/child face and look them in the eyes and shot them you have to be a visous person. I think he should have got first degree murder and get death.

Monica   August 27th, 2010 3:57 pm ET

I watch the trial on In Session me being a Student in college majoring in Pre-law I think what he did was intended, no matter how up set you are who would come to terms to kill there child I think this was just a cut clear case of murder in the FIRST DEGREE. I have nothing to say about him because he's not even worth being talked about al I have to say is that should BURN him.

Sharon   August 31st, 2010 10:27 am ET

most people don't usually molest unless they have been. Did either parent investigate that possibility?

Zeke   September 2nd, 2010 1:42 pm ET

I think the Momand/or the Dad created the lacerations on their daughter after the first emergency visit, or it was done right after the killing. Mom is surely an accomplice.

Zeke   September 2nd, 2010 1:45 pm ET

Jr was likely imitating what he has seen his step dad do to his Mom, and tried dry humping his step sister, ONLY to be KILLED.

Tammy Powell   September 6th, 2010 6:05 pm ET

I feel as if Jamar Pinkney Sr. should have gotten charged with first degree murder. I don't even feel satisfied with the verdict and it's not even my son. If i was the child's mom i would try to get this changed somehow. I still feel as if Koranne should be charged because she played a part in this also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom   September 14th, 2010 10:05 am ET

OMG....what a totally sick and dysfunctional family. So gross!

Peace   September 18th, 2010 2:41 pm ET

My mother's younger brother molested my older sister. When my mom found out she chased him with a butcher knife – he escaped....If she would have caught him – he would be dead. What changed – TIME. Time is a healer my mother always LOVED her brother and (her LOVE did not go into the off position bec. she found out he molested her daughter), because he escaped from her when she snapped, with TIME she was able to forgive him. My sweet mother acted out of character and could be in the hot seat with Jamal Sr. My mother was angry and acted irrational...So my point is I believe Jamal Sr. LOVE his son.. But with anger and lack of TIME he perfomed an irrational act. Lastly, what Jamal Sr. did was WRONG and when come to his senses, he will pay, because he LOVED his son. And what will torment him the most is that this was fixable. Limited insight, jugement and past experiences and poossibly lack of spiritual guidance can cause certain individuals to respond in a inhumane manner. Blessings to Jamal Jr. and family. Time – is a healer.

sj   October 7th, 2010 3:10 pm ET

What he did was definitely wrong–and that is why he is going to jail. But to all of those who say it was first degree murder–what if the molester had been the next-door neighbor and not his son–and what if that next-door neighbor had been a couple of years older? Would you then be ok with second degree? In that case–would you even think second degree was deserved? The father was reacting to an illegal act committed against his very young daughter. This is not the same murderer who deliberates and premediates to kill someone who has not done anything wrong. His son sexually assaulted his baby daughter! While none of us can imagine killing our own children–no matter what they do–we can all understand that if we found out something like that–we would become enraged!! He killed his son while he was still enraged over learning that his daughter was sexually assaulted.

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