August 6, 2010

How to spot sexual abuse

Posted: 09:53 AM ET

Detroit, MI – Karonne Ivey’s three year-old daughter complained several times that her "tootie" hurt and expressed that something of a sexual nature had happened to her.  Ivey says that what her daughter admitted was “shocking to me” and that she could not be lying.  After checking her daughter at home, Ivey later took her to the emergency room of a children’s hospital for an examination. When it comes to sexual abuse, what are the signs parents should look for? Prevent Child Abuse America, an organization that works to prevent the abuse and neglect of children across the country, has outlined several key signs parents should look for to help recognize a problem.

Physical Indicators:

  • Torn, stained or bloody underclothes
  • Frequent, unexplained sore throats, yeast or urinary infections
  • Somatic complaints, including pain and irritation of the genitals
  • Sexually transmitted diseases
  • Bruises or bleeding from external genitalia, vagina or anal region
  • Pregnancy

Behavioral Indicators:

  • The victim's disclosure of sexual abuse 
  • Regressive behaviors (thumb-sucking, bedwetting, fear of the dark)
  • Promiscuity or seductive behaviors
  • Disturbed sleep patterns (recurrent nightmares)
  • Unusual and age-inappropriate interest in sexual matters
  • Avoidance of undressing or wearing extra layers of clothes
  • Sudden decline in school performance, truancy
  • Difficulty in walking or sitting

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Karen T   August 6th, 2010 10:52 am ET

According to Sr.'s appearance, it looks as though he was told by his lawyers to show no emotion to witness testimony. He has demonstrated great control in not showing any emotion. Unfortunately, he didn't show much control in the situation with his own son.

sarahita lee   August 6th, 2010 10:54 am ET

Pinkney Sr. looks like he does not care. He looks like he is not going to jail. And Ivey has a bad attitude. Her guard is up.

Mary Corliss   August 6th, 2010 11:07 am ET

This beautiful boy was killed for nothing. The little girls mother is sure having a problem testifying. I think she made the act sound worse than what it was to the dad. I hope she could live with herself. I definitely feel it's her fault the boy is dead.

Dara   August 6th, 2010 11:08 am ET

Simply because someone has a "stoic" demeanor does not warrant jumping to the conclusion that they are a "stone-cold psychopath". The nature of this case is EXTREMELY complex and one cannot ascertain the defendants amount of remorse (or lack thereof) by observing him in a high stress situation like a murder trial. His 3 year old daughter was allegedly abused by his own son. Not at all am I justifying his actions, but he was obviously driven to commit this horrific crime by passion.

Diana   August 6th, 2010 11:14 am ET

This case is undoutably horrific. Pinkey Sr. deserves the death penalty himself. Although this was a terrible act from his son, there is no way you humiliate, beat your child, make the situation worst, and then shoot your child. I in no way defend Pinkey Jr. for his actions, but you don't kill your child. I too might have beat the crap out of him, punished him, and after I calmed down get my child the help he needed. This just makes me wonder about the connection between Pinkey Sr. and his son. Questioning, was it for attention, did Pinkey Jr. feel that his own father made a difference between the two? Did he want to hurt her because he felt his father loved her more? What kind of bond did Pinkey Sr. Have with Pinkey Jr? Many teens have thoughts about sex, but are they getting the answers and understanding that they so need from their parents. Some teens, when missing the communication, tend to find out on thier own how things work. That's when you experience trouble. As parents we should educate our children, talk and listen to their views and offer advice as needed, not snap and kill them for making a terrible mistake. People make mistakes everyday, but we don't kill them for it, especially your own flesh and bllood. I have been very angry with my sons, to the point where I could snap, but you take a break, walk away, think, and then come up with a solution together. You do not separate your children. Ypu do not make a difference from one child to the next, especially if they are your children. The love should be as strong and meaningful to all children involved. There is no excuse for Pinkey Sr. actions.

Dara   August 6th, 2010 11:19 am ET

I was feeling sympathy for Ivy until she lost ALL credibility by admitting that she "forgets things".

Diana   August 6th, 2010 11:22 am ET

The demeanor of Pinkey Sr. is cold, unconcerned, heartless and he seems as if his actions were justified by killing his own son. He sits there with no remorse for his actions, not one tear showing the regret of his dicision. This was his child, his flesh and blood. Angry or not hes should be showing some emotion or reaction to something.

Darryl R   August 6th, 2010 11:32 am ET

I feel that the little girl had been touched inappropriately ONLY and for Jamar Sr to act in this way was to much i feel miss Karonne was instigating the situation because shes getting caught up by the prosecution really good. Also on Jamar Sr. whole attitude i think the man's mind is totally gone i never seen a ice cold expression in my life and look at how he would not even look at Karonne on the stand but he looks at everyone else in their face. One more thing i believe Karonne is leaving out what the doctors said about the little girls condition. I feel sorry for Jamar Jr and his family even his father cause there is more to the story of why Jamar Sr got that pissed over a situation he could have just punished his son over. Just not worth killing him over period

Dara   August 6th, 2010 11:32 am ET

Or perhaps Mr. PInkney Sr's demeanor in court is truly a reflection of how he feels inside; numb and empty. And not because he is some cold blooded killer. He took the life of his own son. But his son (allegedly) sexually molested his 3 year old daughter. I'm glad I'm not that judge.

Deane   August 6th, 2010 11:36 am ET

Just the thought of this happening to this baby has turned my stomach. I'm wondering if the mother of the son is acting like this to stop dhs from coming after her for allowing this to happen.

Kim R   August 6th, 2010 11:37 am ET

First of all the need to brush his teeth how do we know he was not in that bathroom to load the gun cause he already knew what he was going to do.
Second thing when Jamar told his mother that he hump or bump that little girl the mother should have right away taken that child to speach with someone. if she had done so that child would be alive today.

I am not blaming the mother I just think that she should have handled this diffrently.

Third thing is I believe that the little girls mother knew more then she is telling and she should be held for with holding information.

ScottyBoysDoll   August 6th, 2010 11:52 am ET

Thank God! for that prosucuter – Ms. Christine Co/something
She is a pitbull w/ lipstick!
Come on – Mike – if you needed a attorney, would you buy the biggest & best Jack Ass in the Barn. Yesssss!

Brandy   August 6th, 2010 11:55 am ET

I am so disgusted with in session right now for a couple of reasons one because they keep saying they dont give out names of young victims but they said the little girls name like three times the other day. The other reason is they keep trying to make it like this boy is so innocent and to me he is not. A 15yr old boy humping on his 3yr old sister is disgusting. I was said for the way the boy was killed but I started to try when the mother of the litttle girl describe what he had done to her. I have three girls and that is like my worst nightmare.I really dont know what I would do but the thought of what happen would be too much to bear and I would want to kill the people

Patricia Gutierrez   August 6th, 2010 12:10 pm ET

Karonne Ivey is sitting on that stand and lying to the state of Michigan, she got upset at the Prosecuter when she asked her about something she was asked a half hour ago saying, "ma'am sometines my mind fails me and I cannot remember what happened 5 minutes ago." But when the Defense Attorney was asking her about November 16th and 17th, she recalled everything......REALLY!!!!! Get real Ms. Ivey, do you think people are not going to notice that?

dionne   August 6th, 2010 12:12 pm ET

I dont like the way the prosecutor was questioning the mother she was too hard she is a victim too.why cant parent have life insurance on their children I do and it more than 10,000.00. Then as a parent you can get a second opinion I've been to the ER with my children and you need a second opinion because they do be wrong. Theirs no doudt that the father maybe went to far but on the other hand I think the boy was nasty to even think about humping his sister or what ever he did is digustng .15yr old get put away for life all the time so maybe the father did the world a favor. when my daughter was young about 3 my three nephews came to stay with me and my husband the boys were 12,13,14 my husband made it clear to me and them I will kill any one who touch his baby.I do believe he meant it and I felt the say way .

marcus   August 6th, 2010 12:20 pm ET

First Jamar Pinkney Sr. is a disgusting,piss poor excuse for a man and for him to sit there and show no emotion and his attorney has the gall to excuse his not having emotions to being on meds, and being distraught. Thats bull the only thing that he cares about is that no good woman that he killed his son behind.

Cathy M   August 6th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

In the statement of Jamar Pinkey’s defense attorney, saying his client did commit a crime but the jurors should consider the situation. I understand a person can have a snap reaction to a situation like this, but his reaction happen in a time frame that should have allowed him to come to his senses that he was about to do grave harm to his child. He didn't do this in a few seconds this was after confronting, beating, stripping than walking him to his execution. It was almost as if he was saying to his son this is how a real man handles his business.

Dena   August 6th, 2010 12:34 pm ET

We should not be such harsh judges of Mr. Pinkney, Sr. when he learned his own son brutally raped his own daughter – as a victim of sexual abuse as a child, I remember the extreme devastation of my father when he learned what had happened to me... he also grabbed his shotgun and was ready to hunt and kill my predator... I imagine that if he could have killed this person, he would have. If you have not experienced this type of tragic event, you cannot comment on how a father should have reacted in this circumstance.

Jacqueline Fair   August 6th, 2010 12:42 pm ET

This is the most bizarre evil act that one should not every be allowed to make I pray that the courts become a social path just as this demon & not only throw the book take a lesson from Castro Fidel put him on the shooting range at sunset ! Also why was the wife never given a polygraph concerning if her or someone else cause this on the little girl May GOD show them the same mercy they showed to that little boy ! they are cruel heartless and his wife shows no sign of being scared of this man What if her daughter did somethin bad is that how she want her daughter treated ?NOPE DONT THINK SO!

Desi Fletcher   August 6th, 2010 12:52 pm ET

I'm Very Appalled At The Way Jamar Sr. Is Acting!... It's Not The Way You'll See A Typical Father!... I Do Believe There Is More To The Story But I Do Not Think Ms. Ivey Was Apart Of This Horrible Incident!.. My Heart Goes Out To The Cherry Family And Pray That Theres Peace! I Believe Investigators Need To Look At Whoever Was There When Jamar Jr. Was Killed!

m.o.d.   August 6th, 2010 12:55 pm ET

just watched Ivey on the stand. I am in school to persue a career in the medical field. What people don't understand is that doctors do research if they are unfamiliar with something. That's what her doctor did. That is the right thing to do. Also I believe that she is still a credible witness, no matter how the prosecutor tried to discredit her. Also the emergency room can miss something. Understand that a lot of those personel are up for many hours at a time that's why they tell people to follow up with your personal doctor.

D. Kirschner   August 6th, 2010 12:55 pm ET

The defense lawyer keeps saying "brutal rape". If this were a brutal rape, there would have been blood and bruising. The boy probably never penetrated as he said he "humped her" . At 3 yrs old, even a finger would have caused bleeding and bruising. This was wrong, true, but the father committed a much worse crime than the son. He had too much time to think about it for it to be a crime of snapped passion. He KNEW what he was doing. Just had to prove his supposedly manhood.

Tony Reeves   August 6th, 2010 12:58 pm ET

i object to the argumentive questioning of the prosecution and her ymultiquestioning at one time towards the little girls mother. I believe she is being unprofessional in this type of questioning. I also object to the judge not responding to objections right off during testimony. the prosucuter keeps rambling after the defense objects. what kind of court is this????? tony reeves TN

joseph johnson   August 6th, 2010 1:01 pm ET

he act likes he don`t care he feels what`s done is done. i think he deserves to fry for his crime. the way he killed his son was heartless and and cruel. if it was me i throw the book at him. god got something for him in the long run

Janine ( Michigan)   August 6th, 2010 1:03 pm ET

Look this woman is not telling the truth...She is all over the map. Child protective services got to this woman Monday by phone..She choose not to call them back. When she said she never talked to them..So that tells you that the Hospital reported it to the proper authorities.
I wouldn't believe her if I was a juror. She has selective memory. Plus her attitude tells me which side she on and its not the side of truth.

Julie Anderson   August 6th, 2010 1:05 pm ET

I have been watching this case for two days now on In Session, and it is absolutely tragic. So far I feel like Jamar Pickney Sr. acted before all the facts were discovered, and sentenced his son to death. The 3yr old was NOT raped. Yes she was abused however thats a long way from rape. Jamar Jr. wanted help, he begged for forgiveness and came clean with what he had done. He(Jamar Jr.) said he knew he was wrong. What more did Jamar Sr. expect his son to do??Watch Mr.Pickney in court he is aloof, uninterested and seems unaffected by whats going on around him. He has literally turned his back on some witnesses including Jamar Jr.'s mother. I wish we had the death penalty in Michigan, as this man deserves to be killed before we even take the time to gather the full set of facts... you know, like he did to Jamar Jr.

Mike from AL   August 6th, 2010 1:07 pm ET

I feel like that the daughter mom ( Karonne) is just trying to had to argue with the her child's "doctor" is so good. To the point she is actually believe what she says. Its sound like a bunch of lies. How can her doctor be more better the ER?! If He has to look at a picture. The ER has hands on experience. If you are a children doctor you must be up to date on all CHILDREN situation. For him to say that he is not familiar shows that he doesn't have as much hands on experience then the ER. Also if it is such an emergency for an second exam why call? Why not just go up there. I'm sure the doctor office could have made an exception. And she couldn't make the appointment on Monday but she can make it on Tuesday? Doesn't the doctor office has a policy on cancellation? And she didn't meet with Jamar Sr. until 15 minutes the appointment time anyways. So why wasn't she on her way to the doctor office? I understand that her child has been sexually abuse. But now the little girl as loss two of the only men in her life, her brother and father. I feel like they should LOCK him up and Throw away the key.

James Fuller   August 6th, 2010 1:10 pm ET

Why doesn't the Judge and/or Prosecutor maintain Standard Court Decorum by instructing the witness(es) to not to interrupt questions asked until the FULL question is proffered?

Liana Ramsey   August 6th, 2010 1:13 pm ET

I understand that this trial is to state that the victim allegedly raped his little sister and I can’t imagine how the father must have felt in regards to hearing the story on what happened to his children. Let’s State facts here. The little boy is fifteen years old. He begged for his life and his father made him strip and shot him in the head. People make mistakes but what that father did was murder period. This man grabs his gun, made his son strip, and shot him in his head. That’s not showing that you love him because you wanted to kill him. There were better ways in handling this situation and killing was not one of them.

Marilyn   August 6th, 2010 1:18 pm ET

There should have been some sign of injury such as blood in her panties . I can't think of a mother who won't notice blood on her young daughters underwear. Or the rape of a small child where there wouldn't be some blood. Why was the mother never asked about this.

My grand mother had an old saying. A mother is a mother for the rest of her life, a father is a father until the second wife.

brook-lynn   August 6th, 2010 1:24 pm ET

"for the love of money" to bad they wont get a dime of the insurance should all go to jamar jr. mom and on top of that she should sue j sr. and karrone for killing her son. god bless all of them.

brook-lynn   August 6th, 2010 1:28 pm ET

Karrone should b ashamed of herself! i feel so bad for her kids .

msbutterfly   August 6th, 2010 1:33 pm ET

IMO I don't believe there was any penetration done as the original examination showed. Myself being a mother, if I didn't feel that my daughter wasn't fully examined to the greatest extent, I would have immediately taken her to another hospital for a second opinion point blank period. This didn't happen even though the mother of the child says she didn't agree with the outcome. It's only human nature to IMMEDIATELY get a second opinion if not comfortable with the first exam. I totally do not agree with the murder of this young man and believe the father had enough time during the initial accusations up to the time the crime was committed. I would have been even more satisfied with the original charge of First Degree Murder and not Second Degree as he was given. He just seems so HEARTLESS to me during this whole trial! I have no sympathy AT ALL!!!!

Demetra in Ohio   August 6th, 2010 1:38 pm ET

i have several comments and one of them is that the prosecutor was wrong for trying to insenuate that the assaulted 3 year olds mother was collecting evidence to cover up that murder and trying to trip her up in her testimony that was wrong . Second they should no pic of that boy but maybe one that has been grafted from computer or drawn on paper. i think everyone already has a visual. just as we wouldnt want to see pictures of the babies actual lacerations to her private parts. Lastly to speak on the father this man is stoaic because he has went through hell to visualize your 100 plus pound child forceful penetrating her is unthinkable and i believe he rode with his gun all the time so that tok out the premeditation and the strip down part began as humiliation but once he saw the size i believe that gave him the umf to pull that trigger. i am a grandmother of one 2 year old girl and i can see the rage and the life in me would be gone as well.

shelsea   August 6th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

I feel like bringing the doctor in from the sexual abuse case and all of the testimony regarding the little girl is a little much. Lets not forget that this is a murder trial, not a sexual abuse case. As severe as the sexual abuse situation was, like the mother said, they wanted to get him help. Pinkney Sr. looks completely cold and like he doesn't care. It seems to me like he and Karonne is running around her words. Like they may have had it planned. Why would Sr. try to call her after he did it and say something along the lines of "baby its taken care of". I think she had something to do with this. And this case screams death penalty!

bij   August 6th, 2010 1:47 pm ET

I thoroughly understand why the father murdered his son. I can't say I agree with or that is was the right thing to do. I say this because, he actually listened to his son. He saw the forsight that his son had. He saw the manipulation and the premeditation of thought he son had as to wait until everyone in the house was in the right place and then molest his sister. Although a 15 year old's brain has not fully reached the maturation phase. A 15 year old does know the difference between right and wrong. In this case it's evident. The 15 year old absolutely knew it was wrong, that's why he had the foresight to wait until the coast was clear to molest his sister. The 15 years old's mom was probably (no disrespect) a loving mother, but most likely was one of indulgence. This boy felt like "I am going to have my way with my sister, my mom won't like it, but I'll probably have little to no consequences." That's how 15 year olds think today. Mr. Pinkney gave him the ultimate punishment. He is a father that does not have to see his live the life of a pediphile. I am sorry it happened. But it happened. I just pray that the little girl's mother sees her other sons in a brighter light, opens her eyes and realizes what young boys could be capable of.

Charlotte   August 6th, 2010 1:49 pm ET

Well, the girl lost her brother, when he touched her that way. As far as the doctor is concerned, if my doctor was not famliar with children, then I would have to go somewhere else, I would not want the doctor to have to look at a book in order to let me know if something has happened to my child.

I did not like how the prosecuter treated the little girl's mother, because I am sure if I was in that situation I would probably be a little confused too, with all that has happened.

MarcusMe   August 6th, 2010 2:34 pm ET

I do not believe Karonne one bit. She stated that she was sooo concerned about her daughter but it was not her idea to go to the ER. Second, Karonne claims that once at the ER she was not satisfied with the exam so she made an appointment the next morning when she was "off work", So why would she send her daughter to daycare when she was already at home after something so tragic had happened to the little girl? It seems to me that it was not that big of a deal to her.

I think there was a discussion between Karonne and Jamar of harming the boy BEFORE Jamar Sr. went to that house that day and I also think Jamar Sr. was trying to lure Jamar Jr. out of that house to where his Gun was in the car and when He could not get him to go with him he used the "brushing teeth" ruse to go and retrieve his gun and went to the bathroom to get up the nerve to come out and attack the child. I say premeditation!!!

Corey's_wife   August 6th, 2010 2:38 pm ET

I grew up on the West Side of Chicago..was blessed enough to have been raised by an older woman who was also my legal guardian. Years later, I am not married, three children, college educated. I understand how the father had issues with his mother, probably felt like he had something to prove...hard to love and be loved by people. I know what rage and anger feels like...but I also know what forgiveness feels like. I know what it is like to let go of having to prove oneself. It seems like Jamar, Sr was on a quest to prove his manhood, and prove that he deserved the love of his other child's mother (the child who was reportedly molested). I really feel sorry for Jamar, Sr.'s grandmother. Knowing that she raised someone who would do something so brutal had to be heart-breaking for her. I would have probably vomited if I knew I had brought so much pain to my family. My heart and prayers go out to the mother of Jamar, Jr and their family. Jamar, Jr. repented, was Godly sorry for what he had done, was willing to get counseling, and asked his parents for forgiveness. What more could he have done? May his soul rest in peace.

Raquel   August 6th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

It is no man's decision on this earth to take the life of any of the Lord's children, no matter what they have done. I feel this father should be convicted of murder, however he should be sentenced to life, so he can spend everyday for the rest of his life thinking about how he brutally took the life of a child, and not only a child, but his own born son. I also believe that not all the facts were laid out on the table concerning this "alleged" molestation. The father acted hastly to satisfy the feelings of his girlfriend. I believe his demeanor after he killed his son speaks volumes, and points out that he didn't snap, and this wasn't an episode of psychosis, in fact he stood over his son's body "gloating" at what he had done. May GOD have mercy on his soul and the soul of his son, whose life was taken prematurely due to an adult who should never be able to walk this earth as a free man again.

clem johnson   August 6th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

I don't think this man deserves to even be called a father. How can you sit their and kill your own son. I understand his son has done wrong but he as a father was suppose to be wise in dealing with this, he could have sent his son to therapy talk to him and dealt with this before it came to this. It seems it was a goal an ambition to kill his son, so I believe this man should be convicted to the full extent of the law

carie   August 6th, 2010 3:04 pm ET

I look like he just dont care, how could u gun down ur son in cold blood an drive away. I think the mother had a part in this crime 2 because if it happen 2 her daughter she took her 2 the hospital an they didnt find anything she should have with some where else. I feel so bad for the lil boy mother cause she seen her son getting kill by his father

A-Greene   August 6th, 2010 3:04 pm ET

I feel like all of this was a misunderstanding if my three year old was rape i would not be taking her to school and knowing that she has a doctors appt later that day for the incident.The father just act like he don't even care another thing how are you going to aks someone you don't live with if you can brush your teeth at their house.

keesha ellis   August 6th, 2010 3:09 pm ET

I think that the mother of the little girl is rude and has alot of hate in her heart for that young man and the father made her aware that he would hurt that young man she is playing on what happen to that child she wanted a reason to display her hate for that family i've seen this over and over again but no one was killed God bless the Lil boy's mom and family

Margaret Hicks   August 6th, 2010 3:11 pm ET

This investigation of the rape of the child seems irrelalent. As long as it is established that the father believed what his son had told him, which seems the only relatent inforamtion for his actions.

Karyn Rowley   August 6th, 2010 3:13 pm ET

I feel like Jamar Sr. did'nt really have a close relationship with his son to begin with. He had all night to take this in and absorb it so I cannot swallow the "fit of sudden rage" excuse. Maybe he killed Jamar Jr. for fear of what the boy might have said to the police and maybe, since Sr. was trying to get back with Karahn, this was part revenge for her. He did make that call to tell her, " babe, I took care of that ".

rita williams   August 6th, 2010 3:19 pm ET

In regards to the Pinkney case.I m sorry but Pinkney Sr, gives love a bad name.Anyone who can look their child in face.and shoot that child while he s not only looking at you ,but begging you is worthless and heartless.Is that the kind of parent he was.Don t think just take action.Guess that s what Pinkney Jr did.. Kids learn what they live.Pinkney Jr told his mom that his stepsister always got him in trouble.Maybe the father should have given him some good attention and maybe this would n t have happened.Pinkney Sr. needs to spend the rest of his life in prison with no meds so he ll really pay.

Sharmaine   August 6th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Well I really think that the dad could have handle it a hold different way than that.. What person in their right mind would kill their own flesh and blood.. A sick man.. But yet I could see what was going on in his mind here he have a son who is molestating his daughter and he knows what the laws or what the people in prison would do to him, so he feel that he would save him from all of that pain.. But as far as the mother or girlfriend I would at least told the boy's dad that we have to take him to get some help.. Because I personally would have done something to the boy if that would have happen to me.. I have a two yr. old girl and a seven yr. old son, and a fourteen yr. old son and I know if that should ever happen to me I wouldn't go to point of killing my own son but I would beat the hell out of him for sure and then take him to get some help for sure because something is wrong..

Demetria   August 6th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Is anyone concern about the dad killing his son as a way to take the focus off of himself being the sexual abuser? I don't like the way he is just so blank and calm about the situation I would ask and check him out those bruises could be from him he just executed his own son to fast this killing was a cover up.

Ms. Green   August 6th, 2010 3:56 pm ET

I think the prosecutor is trying to get her frustrated and make it appear that she's not credible. If we really listen then we would understand exactly what the mother is saying. The prosecutor was asking regarding that particular time and the mother is correct in stating that she didn't call at that time but later. It's a play on words for the prosecutor to say "never". All the things she's using regarding what she believes the paper is saying. The defendant is guilty and we trying to make him out to be innocent is absolutely wrong. That child knows that she's been touch and sometimes we aren't aware of things on onset.

Lady   August 6th, 2010 3:58 pm ET

I Object

I object to the prosecutor bangering the witness and continously asking the witness the same question after the judge told her to move on. Also, the prosecutor was attempting to discredit the witness and was getting frustrated when her attempts failed.

Lady   August 6th, 2010 4:04 pm ET

I believe that Pinkey, Sr. demeanor is fairly reasonable. Remember that his lost her innocence because of her own brother. I'm not condoning his behavior but what you do if your own son told you he raped his little sister? He's only human and obviously he reacted before thinking.

emma   August 6th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

I do know that sexual assualt do occur in different forms. However, I
I think that the boy was afraid of his father, so he confessed to something he prephaps did not do.

The little girl's mother can not remember answers to questions asked by the state's attorney, but she can answer all of the questions
asked by the defense attorney. I BELIVE THE E.R DOCTOR'S EXAM.

Anyone could have put a cut on the child to apper different. [long finger nails?]

Nicole   August 6th, 2010 5:48 pm ET

My heart is saddened by what have happened to the 15 yr old boy. I don't care what he did he never deserved to be killed. I think that the second Dr lied and wanted to help justifie why the Cold Hearted Monster killed his son.

Rebecca   August 6th, 2010 5:56 pm ET

I think this whole case is horrific. The father is his own person. Everyone reacts and shows or doesn't show emotion in front of others. We are not in his shoes and we are not him so we cannot judge him on his demeanor in court. How would we react or behave if we were in his shoes? There's no way we could state how we would behave unless we were in his position. We cannot possibly imagine what is in his mind. He killed his own child – his only son. We judge him on his demeanor.

Steph   August 6th, 2010 6:08 pm ET

I'm so concerned from the phone calls coming it. All the callers described def at a 'monster' 'animal' 'gangster'. the attny has to describe to them who the def is. a long term employee of the US postal service and caring father etc. his act was horrendous. but i can see clearly he is totally detaching himself from the horrible situation.
i'm wondering just how much race is playing a part in the comments and can a black person be fairly judged in this country?
He should sit in prison for the rest of his life. When you have a gun it seems you find a reason to use it. No gun no murder. He might have beat his son severely but he would still be alive.

Tricia   August 6th, 2010 6:14 pm ET

We as parents and family members must also get out of denial. Children who are sexually abused, also had parents who were abused as well. If you know of a still living family member who was inappropriate with you, it's a sure bet, he/she will move on to the next generation. Many don't want to confront their child's abuse, because it means they'll have to confront their own abuse. Judging from the visceral reaction by Pinkney Sr., I suspect he might have been abused himself when he was younger.

Crystal   August 6th, 2010 11:24 pm ET

Many comments have been made in reference to Mr. Pinkney Senior's flat affect. The worst thing that can be taken away from a parent is their ability to protect their child. To try and fathom the rape of such a small child is sickening. He appears to me a broken man who was unable to protect his daughter's innocence from a sexual predator who Pinkney Senior brought into the little girl's life. He seems to have been disgusted by the child molestation and incestuous rape that was committed by his own flesh and blood. Maybe, he has no emotion left to show after the whirlwind of shock, horror, anger, guilt, saddness, disappointment, and disgust he has experienced.

rose   August 7th, 2010 12:23 am ET

i believe that Jamar Pinkney Sr., in front of the defense because there may be a possibility of violence in the court room because of the nature of the case...some one could take revenge out on him so it is for his safety

young   August 7th, 2010 12:23 am ET

If no other motive is found could it be possible that he actually lost control thinking that his teenage son molested his helpless 3yr old daughter. I believe that if put in this situation most of us wouldnt stop and think about what to do like most of you are saying. I am not saying that you would end up killing your child for abusing your other child. No one knows what the conversation was like when he confessed the details of what happened to the father but have you ever considered that maybe he did things like smiling about it as he recalled, bragging, etc, then began to get serious when the dad started beating him like a grown man. IDK. I think that if the father dont have another motive that something changed the tone from beating him to pulling a gun and murdering him. I am just trying to figure what the REAL story is because maybe theres more.

Rape alone is a terrible thing for an adult to deal with but a 3yr old child and by your teenage child. I know I would lose it. He didnt deserve to die maybe his behavior couldve been corrected maybe it couldnt. We will never know because his life was taken from him.

young   August 7th, 2010 12:31 am ET

I also think the father looks cold because the entire situation has made him feel as if he failed as a man as a father because he felt the need to murder one to protect one

Linda Paris   August 7th, 2010 12:55 am ET

This beautiful young man was murdered in cold blood because he did THE RIGHT THING.
If Pinkney Sr could shoot his own son for doing the right thing...telling the truth and asking for help...think of what he could do to you or me if he felt justified. HE IS DANGEROUS.
Pinkney Sr is a sociopath.
He should have gotten the death penalty and his wife should be on trial with him. When the prosecutor asked her about calling the insurance company FOR MONEY. she's a LIAR and she got caught time and time again. I completely believe that she egged Pinkney Sr on.
She came off as the instigator in all of this on the stand and I'm only sorry that she wasn't on trial with Pinkney Sr. The whole thing makes me sick. Jamar would have been better off LYING to all of them.
That poor child and his family.

Carol   August 7th, 2010 3:54 pm ET

I couldn't understand why the mother of the little girl would allow a doctor to look at book and compare it to her daughter anatomy. I would have left that office and gone to a doctor who actually practices on female patients and didn't have to refer to a box as if he's still doing intership at a doctor's office.
It's sad that the father killed his son but, I thought it was too easy for him to do it. Therefore, I wonder if the father was molesting the boy and instead of counseling (where the details would come out) he killed him to hide that secret. I've always read that people who molest will always molest. It is a behavior that can't be changed. Did the boy do to his sister what his dad did to him? I really wonder about that. It was just toooo easy for his dad to kill him.

annette   August 8th, 2010 1:24 am ET

i fell sorry jamar jr mom i think jamar sr should getthe death penalty for murder that is so wrong i have watch ivey on the stand she's hiding something to protect sr there are signs when a child is raped i believe the other children she has should be looked into

MarLynn   August 8th, 2010 9:35 am ET

First and foremost this case is tragic all around. I really dont like to watch a case and pick apart how people react to certain things. We can all say I would have done this or that when its never happened to us. But, there is something wrong with this story. It was 1:30 am when Jamar Jr confused to humping his 3 year old sister. His mother told him to ask God and his father for forgiveness. He called his dad and told him what happened. Jamar said he didnt want to talk to him anymore. Which I understand. What I dont understand is why Sr didnt hang the phone up and call Ms Ivey and say what his son admitted to? Problem #2. Ms Ivey called out or was already off from work but she sent her daughter to school. Problem # 3 IF there was no contact between Jr and Sr from the time he called his dad up until he went to see his son. When did Jr tell him this story of rape? When his dad first got to the house Jr was sent upstairs so the adults could talk. Problem #4. Sr then tells Ms Cherry that Ms Ivey wants to press charges.Well Ms Ivey said she didnt talk to Sr until she met up with him after Jr was already dead. Problem#5 Once Jr came downstairs to speak with his father. Sr kept asking him for details. Who wants to brush their teeth after hearing that? He would been better off saying that since he didnt see or speak to his son until after he confused to humping her. He lost it when he finally saw him for the first time.There is no way a three year old can walk way from being raped without and blood or damage to her insides.

Nancy   August 8th, 2010 10:48 am ET

I have cried my eyes out as if Jamar Jr. were my child. When the mother was testifying, I was crying. It is unfathomable that a father could do what Jamar Sr. did under any circumstances. Most parents love for their children is unconditional, if you really love them. His son did not deserve the death penalty, but instead phychological help for what he did to his sister. Jamar Sr. is a cold-bloodied monster who chose to shot his son, point-blank in the face. I don't believe in the death penalty, but for this crime I say bring it on! Rest in peace Jamar Jr. and God bless his dear mom and family who loved him.

Barbara   August 9th, 2010 5:47 am ET

Marilyn -- I really liked the saying "My grand mother had an old saying. A mother is a mother for the rest of her life, a father is a father until the second wife."

Truer words have never been spoken ! I have not been following this case but I remember when it happened and how horrific it was that the father took the law into his own hands and executed his son.

So many victim's in this sad saga. No winner's here no matter what the outcome ! I can understand the rage the father felt the moment he was given that information from his son, but this murder didn't occur immediately...he pre-mediated it. I think it was courageous that the son told the truth, that he knew it was wrong of him, and wanted to make it right and be forgiven.

Sadly he never had that opportunity !

Kate   August 9th, 2010 9:25 am ET

Absolutely the mother of Jr.had the right idea to deal with it as a Family.Go to the police,lay the charges if warranted and get the child help.Sr. thought he was the police,and took the matter into his own hand like some kind of vigilante.

Kate   August 9th, 2010 9:31 am ET

This man is totally FLAT.The only emotion he has shown is Rage,he is scary.

Crystal   August 9th, 2010 10:09 am ET

Pinkney Jr. didn't "Do the right thing"... he only came clean after he was already busted. There is no doubt in my mind that he still only told half of the truth and half isn't enough to count as remorse.

Debi57   August 9th, 2010 10:41 am ET

I think the mother is so evil because it was allready stated that she didnt like the boy, so I think she wanted him out of the way so I think she had scratched the little girl her self just to frame the little boy. This is how evil they both are. Debi from ar

Janice Cage   August 9th, 2010 11:29 am ET

It is so tragic what happened to Jamar Jr. I truly believed that there is more to this story than what is being told. and I believe that as soon as this dilemma happened the authorities should of been called and let them deal with the issue. I know the family was trying to decide what do do but while they were deciding Pinkney Sr.was thinking about what took place for over 24 hours and that is too much time because when you have all that time to think, your mind can play tricks on you, you will think up things and make it the way you want to believe it happened, so I feel like the mother did fail her child because as soon as Jr said something she should of called the police and maybe her child would be alive, but th father is dead wrong for killing his son.

R.   August 9th, 2010 11:34 am ET

There was no need for the prosecutor to demonize the little girl's mother. And, why is she spending so much time trying to suggest that the boy did not sexually violate that child. The boy was a predator. He sexually molested that baby! Again, this doesn't mean that his father had the right to murder him,but let's be clear. Jamar Jr. was a victim of a crime, but he was no hero. Had his father not murdered him, this same prosecutor would have been demonizing him and his mother and the doctors in the ER room. Because the case is against Jamar Sr., the prosecuter is demonizing the mother of the baby and her Dr. She is also suggesting that the child may have violated herself! This prosecuter care more about WINNING than justice. There is no need to demoralize people advocating on behalf of the molested baby. The jury is not stupid, they can look at the facts.

rena   August 9th, 2010 11:37 am ET

i think the biggest question is did jr did wat they say he did

rena   August 9th, 2010 11:53 am ET

the first thing the mother have done is take this child to the hospital right away leave the father an everything an take this child to the hospital an then from there get the police involved

Mina   August 9th, 2010 12:03 pm ET

I'm so confused about my feelings over this whole case. The way the father did what he did is so wrong but i do understand the hate for a person who touched his little girl. But if they had already decided to take him to get help that would have been better then killing a young kid. Also how is the mom of the little girl going to say the er didn't call the cops are do anything she didn't call them either so you cant complain about something you yourself didn't do. I know that would've been the first thing i did if i found out my child was touched.As for the father he seems like he can careless about everything. He shows no emotions at all. This is just a sad story all around.

Tonya   August 9th, 2010 12:07 pm ET

The things is maybe this wasn't the first time the son has commited an act like this but for the mom to call the dad instead of the police it's basically her fault just as well as the dad which he had two children to where he had to protect which he failed so thats something he has to live with but believe me If you hadn't been in a situation you don't know

Jane   August 9th, 2010 12:19 pm ET

This is a very sad situation all around. I do not know if that baby girl was touched or not, I do not deny that she may have been but no matter what that little boys life did not have to be taken. I do somewhat think that the little girl's mother is somewhat to blame. I too hope she can live with herself, she too shows no emotion for the boy. Who even knows if the boy was the one touching her or she was just a confused little girl who blamed him, it happens all the time. The fact of the matter is that we will never know and a kids life was taken away from him and even if he did do it, he will never get the chance to say he was sorry or learn from his mistakes. I think alot of people are to blame here and all we can do is wonder why??? Why weren't the cops called right away, why was it allowed to be taken so far, and why what in the hell was this father thinking?!! May his little soul be at peace now for I can't imagine what he went through at the last moments of his life when he was BEGGING for his life, poor baby. I hope this man rots in hell and I know his day will come when he meets with God.

Stephanie   August 9th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

If anything that has happened is brutal it was the killingof This 15 year old boy, not the "Rape" which has not been proven!
Child abuse is very serious, when proven. But it is not the parents job to investigate these matters, we need to leave it to the trained professionals.
This is a very sad case. This 15 year old boy did not deserve to die. We will never know the boys side of the story since his father executed him. Not before he humiliated him in front of everybody. Now Pinskney Sr sits in court cold with NO emotion. He reminds me of some of the sick serial killers I have seen in previous cases. Det. Lanesha Jones testifys that Pinskney Sr has not changed his demenor since the first time she met with him which was within a few hours of this brutal killing. So it has absolutliy nothing to do with his meds, or orders of his attorneys. He is a cold, heartless killer.

Lachanda Barnett   August 9th, 2010 12:54 pm ET

I am extremely on edge with this trial. I feel The father, Jamar Sr. is wrong no doubt about it, on the other hand i can see where his rage came from, he is a tough father and didn't expect his own son to sexually abuse his own baby sister, Jamar jr. was 15 and was well aware of his actions. Jamar sr. on the other hand took it too far, the beating was touhg love, the murder of his son was the absolute worse outcome of this situation...It is something that cannot be taken back, and if justice prevails, he will have his punishment to the fullest.

Yvette   August 9th, 2010 12:54 pm ET

To Brandy,- I totally understand what you are saying but what if one of your daughters sexually abused the younger sister, would you kill your daughter or try to get her help?

Denise   August 9th, 2010 12:55 pm ET

This case is hard to believe I feel as if this Ms. Ivey played a bigger part in Pickney's decisoin to kill his son than is being told.. I think during the time they spent talking somethings were said to make him feel as if he needed to choose between the two kids. She is a snake! She acts as if no life was taken.

Anita   August 9th, 2010 12:58 pm ET

Pinkney Sr. executed his son. As I watch this trial, I feel such pain for Pinkney, Jr. and his family. I cannot get passed this father killing his son!

There is a gleamer of light to this story: Pinkney Jr.'s mother had him to pray for forgiveness.

Yvette   August 9th, 2010 1:40 pm ET

i think that Karonne have manipulated Jamar Sr. because she was jealous of the time he was spending with his son. Furthermore, I think Karonne was jealous that Sr. grandmother was probably closer to jr. because he lived with her. Jamar Jr. was wrong, but I would find it hard to kill my own child. I could see if he was a friend or something. I think Jamar Jr. felt as though karonne had came between he and his father as well. I also think Karonne is a snake, she called the insurance company to get money and did not tell them the beneficiary was the killer. She also contacted his job to try and get disability for her daughter stating he was mentally unstable. I think she is a con artist and the type of person that wants what she wants and doesn't take no as an answer.

mike   August 9th, 2010 2:02 pm ET

I feel that jamar jr. was a very immature and spoiled young man, he was surrounded by four females who gave him what ever he wanted. he did not behave like a normal 15 yr old boy: i mean what 15 year old want to sleep in the same bed as his mother,or molest a 3 year old. a normal 15 yr old boy would not lay still and let his father beat him, undress him,take him outside and shoot him while he is on his knees. i know i would have fought back and ran. he was like a child, the mother should have never put him in front of a man, who thought he raped his daughter.

Yvette   August 9th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

Now that I watch Sr. I think that he has just shut down all emotions. I think he is still in denial about what he has truly done. By listening to his testimony I understand things a little better. I now think Jr.'s mom has exaggerated some things as well. I think Sr was wrong without a doubt for what he did, but I also blame Jrs. mom for n0ot standing up for her son. I would have never allowed him to make my son strip down nor would he have taken him to a field to shoot him. I think at the time, Monique was thinking more about her life then she was her son. Of course she did not know he was going to shoot him, but the possibility was great since the gun was on Jr. and he was kneeling down in the field. Me as a mom, would have died as well, he would not have shot my son without shooting me first.

Yvette   August 9th, 2010 2:16 pm ET

I think at the very end Jamar Jr. was alone. His father was willing to kill him and his mom was waiting to see what the father was going to do. She did admit, she was afraid he would shoot her, she should put herself in her son's shoes.

VERA   August 9th, 2010 2:27 pm ET

I would like to know did the young man receive any sex education. Know one has explored this. and when did the abuse occur ? The day before ?, two weeks before or what no one has said.

i love haters   August 9th, 2010 6:03 pm ET

Pinkney Sr is on drugs. His lawyer stated that since the incident he has been given drugs my a psychiatrist...Don't you think you would need to be on drugs had this happened in your family. Also, For those who think that child abuse is "nothing" or people are making this "more than it really is", you are the luckiest person in the world to not know what it feels like for your innocence to be taken away in such a way that you can never get back. You should be thankful and pray that nothing like this ever happens to your children, as you do not know how you will react.

Betty   August 9th, 2010 10:45 pm ET

I don't know why, but Karonne just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. My heart tells me that this woman, although she may be genuinely a caring mother, has another side that is calculating and manipulative. I don't think she has the capacity to feel sympathy for what Monique is going through. Monique openly expressed empathy for Karonne and her daughter. Karonne has never expressed sorrow for this situation. Therefore, I do believe she did indeed dislike Jr. Yes, Jr. did wrong and like a lot of children when caught, the first response is to deny. But, he did confess and was deepiy sorrowful for his wrongdoing.
As distasteful as Jr's actions may be to some people, he deserved the same chance God gives the rest of us to redeem himself. He did not deserve to die by the hand of this poor excuse for a father. May God have mercy on Sr.'s soul and the soul of Karone if she played any part that resulted in the death of this child.


Betty   August 9th, 2010 10:48 pm ET

By the way, I do not believe Jr. ever told his father he raped this child. I think this is his way of trying to justify his actions. It did not happen.

Phil   August 10th, 2010 2:12 am ET

Sudden loss of interest and performance in school work should have tipped off school authorities in my case. It was many years before I myself realized the sexual abuse I had suffered as a ten year old had manifested itself within and I never again did well in school.

patterson   August 10th, 2010 1:56 pm ET

My heart goes out to the mom, grandparents, and family members of Jahmar Jr. Mr. Jahmar Sr. comes across to me as just heartless, senseless, and down right arrogant. I agree with one viewer who expressed, that Sr, may have been edged on by his daughter"s mother. She comes across to me too as a arrogant and cold women who was out for revenge. Imagining the atmosphere in the Pinkly household when the accusations was broadcasted, I could only imagine the little girls mother, chanting to Sr, as to "What he was going to do about it". And I coul only beleive that's what triggered Jahmar Sr to snap. My heart goes out to the little girl too, I could only hope and pray, the family will put their differences aside, and help this little girl, to understand this whole situation as she grows into a young lady...I cry every day as I watch the verdict, its heartbreaking.

ConnieVC   August 10th, 2010 2:34 pm ET

Jamar, Sr. brought the gun into the house but left his toothbrush in the car. What if he'd done the opposite? I wonder how many other people having out of body experiences suddenly remember they need to brush their teeth? Guess the teeth were out of body, too!

anthony   August 10th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

Instead of describing Jamar Sr. as "cold-blooded, heartless..etc," I would characterize him as, outraged, and unable to express his conflicted emotions. He shouldnt' have done what he done, but it looks like manslaughter to me. Justice tempered with mercy? I can see the justice, but I ain't seein' no mercy.

I guess I'm taking it all personally, though, as if someone had "touched" my 3 year old daughter–it wouldn't matter who it was. I know that's not right, and I hope I'd be able to control myself. I'd like to think so.

sharat bowers   August 10th, 2010 4:41 pm ET

i do not believe kerronne ivey story about her daughter because she would not let her own pediatrician question her about the alleged incident, well she said she did not want her child to be more traumitizied, well isn't the child already traumitized from all of her family questioning her. the doctor is the one who supposed to get to the truth so the proper channels can be taken. so i do not believe kerrone when she say her daughter was molested. maybe she was but not by jamar jr., or mayber she wasn't, i do not know. but god help that woman if she got jamar sr. to kill his son!

Elisa Modeste   August 11th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

Guilty Guilty Guilty!!! To bad Michigan doesn't cary the death penalty, this man clearly deserves It! The poor mother and family!! My prayers are wit them!! Elisa modeste

louellen pennsylvania   August 11th, 2010 1:33 pm ET

can they get a civil suit against karrone ivey ? if that was me i would take her for everthing she got he should have got first degree hopefully he will never get out of prison he doesn't have a right to freedom !!!!!!

Justice98   August 11th, 2010 5:05 pm ET

Until you have young kids, I don't see how any of you can judge this man! I know I would of gone ballistic, too, and because his 3 year old was sexually abused by his own flesh and blood, it's easy to see how he went crazy and did that. His son was 15, he should of known better and it sounds like the 15 year old was abused himself. At least the little girl won't be affected by this when she is older, for at 3, she is too young to remember this. The father should of been charged in being temporarily insane. I'm sure he feels bad, his lawyer told him to be calm,cool and collected and show no emotion during the trial and this came across as cold. Not true.

Stephanie   August 11th, 2010 5:07 pm ET

I'm not saying the mom is lieing but I think that if my son had told his father that he actually DID plan and do what the father said he did, I dont think that i would want the world to remember my son like that AT ALL! Just the thought of his 3 year old touched by anyone but HIS SON ., he was a big 15 year old he was something like 170lbs and this little girl was about 40 i think that doc said., this is a sad case all the way around.

Father8773   August 11th, 2010 5:08 pm ET

when I was younger, "humping" was considered sexual intercourse. You all need to understand that at 15, sexual intercourse is called many things. I think that this kid did rape his sister, too sad. I'm not glad he's dead but I do understand the father's rage. I don't condone the murder have to understand that if you are convinced that your child is raped or abused, you'd go ballistic, too.

Stephanie   August 11th, 2010 5:23 pm ET

My heart broke for this mother and everyone involved. First of all how could you take you child to school after an aligation like the one the little girl said, then not take her to another doc if you think that somthing did happen even though the e.r doctors said no., i think that just the thought that HIS SON touched HIS daughter in a way that no one should and his plan was probably in motion?

Dee   August 12th, 2010 1:11 am ET

I am so enraged at this senseless and willful muder, I could talk endlessly. But I do have just a few more thoughts concerning Mr. Pinkney and his demeanor. To his credit, Mr. Pinkney, as it was stated in court finished at the top of his class and he is a very methodical Thinker, as was demonstrated, in my opinion, throughout his testimony. With that being said, no doubt, that can probably more than 85% justify his "affect"! I think from the moment his finger released that trigger and his young son fell, as HE said, he knew "his life, ashe knew it, was over". There was absolutely no fight in him. I think Mr. Pinkney had resigined in his entire existence that he was giving over all of the fight to Mr. O'Meara and Corbett. Being as intelligent as he is, he HAD to know that his pitiful little out-of-body defense was not going to fly! I think his two biggest two mistakes were the before and certainly after calls to Ms. Ivey. Bad judgment. BUT–that's what lust will do for you. Lust always takes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loves always gives.

Donna Martin   August 12th, 2010 3:18 am ET

1) ER Dr. may have been in a bit of a hurry while checking the baby and might have unknowingly scratched her which then created the small (less then 3/4 in) "healing laceration" that was found by her regular Dr. TWO days later.
2) Sr. did NOT know of this 3/4 in. "healing laceration" until the DAY AFTER he shot his son in the head.
3) Babe, I took care of that!!!
Jr did NOT "rape" his baby sister but Sr DID MURDER his only son.


melinda conner   August 12th, 2010 6:51 am ET

There was no Brutal Rape people...... She was touched in her personal place, NOT RAPED..... Still wrong, but NOT RAPE...

deads   August 12th, 2010 1:31 pm ET

Talk to your babies . If you didn't teach them these things who the Hell did ?

deads   August 12th, 2010 1:46 pm ET

While I do not totaLLy agree with this mans actions . I can however understand them . My daughter was molested when she waS three . I tried all of the normal legal , and moral actions . None of these worked.I thank God that I did not give birth to the pervert that took away her innocence ! I SERIOUSLY THOUGHT OF KILLI ng the person that raped her ! It took all that I had in me not to ~! So I can understand his actions . What is the matter with a world that puts more importance on the life of a pervert than we do the basic rights of a baby >?

pat   August 12th, 2010 3:40 pm ET

i can.t imagine watching my child or any child getting murdered.not to judge i think i would have went after him and tried to tear apart before i would have watched him kill my child.also does anyone know the outcome of the 15 year olds sentence today? hate when time runs out! oh well

najhe   August 13th, 2010 12:04 am ET

I think Karonne Ivey lied to the court., I really beleive that she knows more. I also feel that she told too many lies and pushed this to the end. The ER doctor did not find anything! While 2 days later something was found. Get real – she states she have girls how do we not know this has not happen earlier from one of her daughters boyfriends? The to call the insurance company – this woman should be on trial for lying and trying to get money. I hope she can live with herself because she has murdered a little boy. She is guilty of something – bring her to justice.

KIMBERLY   August 13th, 2010 5:21 am ET

Ms. Ivery your day is coming. How dare her make the decision to end a childs life through manipulation. This was her daughter's brother who needed help. Ms. Ivery and Jamar Sr knew his grandparent were too old to care for this 3 year old. Who will care for her now if both parents are charged with this crime. There was not rape only fondling, the parents should have followed through with the investigation process not be hot heads. Jamar Jr's mother was a parent and God shall bless her aboundantly!! Ms. Cherry should seek justice from her same as Jamar Sr.

ConnieVC   August 13th, 2010 12:14 pm ET

Why was Karonne Ivey the one testifying to what Karonne's sister and Karonne's 13 y/o daughter heard from the 3 y/o about how Jamar, Jr. touched her? Why weren't the sister and daughter testifying for themselves? Is it because they weren't willing to perjure themselves the way Karonne appears to do? Why wasn't Karonne's testimony about this considered hearsay?

salome   August 26th, 2010 9:01 am ET

i just cant get pass what hapen to this little boy no mater the circumstances he didnt deserve this its ashame everyone can tell that karrone was an instigator in this how can she sleep at night she ended a life and she destroted so many more i have no pity for her she blew all of this out of context just because she was jealous of a child my heart and sympathy for the cherry family she doesnt care about the full ramifications and the hurt she caused his family she is a poor excuse for a woman and a mother and sr. he definitely is a poor poor excuse for a man and a father may they both burn in hell

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