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July 23, 2010

Florida woman involved in love triangle guilty of murder

Posted: 04:18 PM ET

CLEARWATER, FL (CNN) – A 20-year-old Florida woman who was involved in a love triangle was found guilty Friday of second-degree murder for fatally stabbing a romantic rival.

Rachel Wade burst into tears a the foreman of the jury read the verdict, which carries a sentence of 20 1/2 years to life in prison.  The six-person jury returned its verdict after just 2 1/2 hours of deliberation.

Wade had said she stabbed Sarah Ludemann in self defense. Sentencing is set for September 3.

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- "In Session's" Lena Jakobsson and Beth Karas contributed to this story

Filed under: Breaking News • Verdict!


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JAMES   July 23rd, 2010 4:26 pm ET

I knew she would loose because ,she had brought the knife.I wish her all the blessings in this nlife we live,here on earth.


dano   July 23rd, 2010 4:28 pm ET

Yep, that's just what I thought also. Guilty! What a senseless murder that ruined so many lives. 20 1/2 years works for me, with no chance for parole for at least 10. Life at her age I just can't go along with. I'm sure Sarah probably did her part on keeping this rivalry going.


Sisi   July 23rd, 2010 4:34 pm ET

Rachel Wade needs to go to jail she practicly diserves it for what she did


Josh   July 23rd, 2010 4:34 pm ET

I feel the 2nd degree conviction was a little harsh. She had been threatened for the last 9 months by the girls. Also the fact that the girls approached her instead of her being the aggressor. I would have voted voluntary manslaughter.


Patricia Keller   July 23rd, 2010 4:35 pm ET

Thank God! Thanks to the jury, this poor family needed justice. I do feel bad for Rachel, I know what it's like to be a teen "in love", but you can't lose control like that. She should have dialed 911 when Sarah arrived!


Shay, NC   July 23rd, 2010 4:37 pm ET

Before closing arguments, I would have voted for manslaughter, but then two of the prosecutor's remarks stood out to me: 1) there were two men with Rachel that night so she wasn't outnumbered 3-to-1 as she claimed and 2) Rachel wouldn't have brought a knife to a "cat fight" unless she intended to stab Sarah. Because of this, I think this verdict is appropriate.


Dobbie   July 23rd, 2010 4:38 pm ET

Good;because you don't bring a knife to a fistfight or a cat fight...


Teri   July 23rd, 2010 4:39 pm ET

I don't agree with this verdict at all. This is very sad and just proves that you can NOT defend yourself or you could end up like her.


jersy miller   July 23rd, 2010 4:41 pm ET

Wow....Justice! I thought they were gonna give her a lesser charge because she was young,pretty and crying....This is what happens to people of all ages When "They Get Caught Up In The Moment"
If she new her friends house was sooo safe why did she bring a knife..?
I think because she snapped and had enough But Look What Enough Gave Her........ Enough Time In JAIL....BYE BYE BAD GIRL!!!


Evelyn   July 23rd, 2010 4:41 pm ET

Thank God, there is justice! I thought for a minute that the jury were going to be swade with Rachel Wade's fake tears. Didn't see a picture of the victim Sarah Ludemann in Court, that was a huge mistake from the prosecutors.


kathleen edmundson   July 23rd, 2010 4:45 pm ET

Rachel was found guilty and I'm glad, this will hopefully send a much needed powerful message.teens need to see that they cannot take matters in their own hands and then try to hide behind the juvenile skirt of the law. She wanted to show sarah and now the law just showed her.


Patricia Keller   July 23rd, 2010 4:47 pm ET

That guy they were fighting over is a real loser! He is morally guilty. I hope some day he realizes what he's done!!


Tonnie M.   July 23rd, 2010 4:48 pm ET

That was a fast verdict! And I believe it was the correct one, as well.
The most damning evidence, in my opinion, was the several voice messages she left on the victim's phone. If you call someone and say you're going to kill them, and then you (surprise) kill them, it would take a lot more than makeup to defend yourself against a murder charge.
Well done, jurors.


krissie   July 23rd, 2010 4:52 pm ET

That was self defense THEY CAME TO HER...... janet and josh should also be charged in her death


Raven Cawdor   July 23rd, 2010 4:54 pm ET

Sarah went to her...threw the first (3) punch....and Rachel is guilty????


Joe   July 23rd, 2010 4:56 pm ET

What a mis-carriage of justice here. Under the theory of the prosecution and the verdict of the jury, a gang of people can track you down, jump out of their vehicle and attack you and you are guilty of murder if you defend yourself. What a blood thirsty jury. I can honestly say that I would have defended myself to the same extent at the scene as Rachel did. I don't condone her actions prior to the altercation but, that does not justify those girls tracking her down and ganging her. I simply cannot believe the verdict was guilty. Just can't!


mik   July 23rd, 2010 4:58 pm ET

i agree with the jury!i saw never remorse in this girl actions,and i believe she want to kill sarah!


Sharai Gulley   July 23rd, 2010 5:00 pm ET

I disagree with the Jury's verdict. Rachel was attacked physical and had every right to defend herself. I understand that a life was lost but I also know that it wasn't malicious or intentional. I believe that a verdict for manslaughter would have been a better decision.


Tracy Denson   July 23rd, 2010 5:06 pm ET

Two young girls taken again. When will kids stop killing kids???????????

When will kids find morals and respect all others. Help each other in all ages, maybe then we may find peace.

Kids stop and think about what you are going do, it will make you stop!!!!!!!!


Kristen Michèle   July 23rd, 2010 5:10 pm ET

I think the guilty ruling is a true tragedy. Clearly, this young woman was terrified of the bullying girls. The girls set out to find her and cause her harm. These girls are used to fighting...they were drinking, smoking pot and looking to start trouble. They picked on her and preyed on her with a pack mentality. Ultimately one of the aggressors lost her life. I feel awful for her family, but she was clearly involved with troubled people and friends. With so much dysfunction in the world, it makes me wonder why some people perpetuate violence and harm. I think the Camacho family members involved are disgusting for lying, for instigating "fighting," using dangerous weapons like guns, partying in a house with four small children...it's pathetic and in the words of the youth, "ghetto." It is an injustice that Joshua Camacho isn't charged with anything. What message does this send? I feel sorry for his child. He is reckless, irresponsible and a true loser.

Rachel Wade is innocent in my opinion. I feel so sad for her and I hope that somehow this will be overturned. If she is punished, all of the minions involved should be punished in some way too.


constance steele   July 23rd, 2010 5:17 pm ET

i watched this trial this wk and could not amagine the words that were said on those voicemails. everyday, i am in shock to see some of our youth go to extremes to be extreme. by the way, that guy, josh, that the girls seemed to be fighting over, well, he seemed to be very indifferent about everything. guess those girls did not see that side of him. my wish for this girl is to get higher education in jail and when she is released, she can help other women that gets in a mess as she has.


joann   July 23rd, 2010 5:26 pm ET

They got it wrong. I would like to know why they didn't go and retrieve all deleted message from her computer and phone from Sarah. I carry a knife with me at all times. And if three people jump me I would use it too. Sarah went to her.now if miss Wade went to Sarah then it is different. She left her home with the knife because she was SCARED and wanted to with people to be safe. I hope she get an appeal, and wins, I know if she hadn't had the knife then Sarah would have kept hitting her,and Sarah's friend too. Who knows miss Wade could have been dead instead.


Sheila   July 23rd, 2010 5:31 pm ET

This is such a sad sad story it brakes my heart not only for the victims family but for Rachel and her family also. What a sad loss of 2 young women.


Tom   July 23rd, 2010 5:37 pm ET

Justice has been served. I was really afraid the jury would cave in and let her off with manslaughter, because of her age and gender. Thank God they've shown the courage to see it through, and make the tough but, just decision. Maybe Wades' story will serve as a wake up call to other young adults. Don't let your emotions control your actions, or override your common sense. Comacho should now sees the results of his part in this terrible event, since he's caused a lot of irreparable damage. It would be nice to punish him for his part in this, but the most that could result is probably some form of civil proceeding, and I don't think he has a dollar to his name.


jeanette dibble   July 23rd, 2010 5:50 pm ET

I watched the trial on tv and I agree with the verdict. It sounded like she was making up the story as she went along.What it comes down to is she had a choice not to bring a weapon and just call the cops.I wish these young girls would stop fighting over these guys that don't care about anybody but themselves.


Rebecca Pfeiffer   July 23rd, 2010 5:51 pm ET

I am totally pleased that these lawyers were not able to convice this obviously competent jury that this was anything other than what it was: A cold blooded murder. I watched just enough of this trial to see that this girl is guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and deserves to spend the rest of her life in prison. What difference did HER ridiculous circumstances matter? This is murder, lose of human life.

My son was murdered by Terrance Hough, the firefighter from Cleveland. Observing the parents of this poor murder victim was almost unbearable. I live with their pain every day of my life. It is indescribable. Nobody cares about the victims. In court, all that is taken into consideration is the defendant, and this continues even after conviction. It's all about the defendant's rights, yada, yada, yada.
I'm broken hearted for these parents. Their lives are forever changed.

This jury should be proud of themselves. Finally one that saw the facts for what they are and this little spoiled, entitled killer for what she is: GUILTY.


carol kesling   July 23rd, 2010 5:54 pm ET

very sad 2 women and 2 families torn apart !!! such a waste, over this horrible man,so not worth it !!! plus he was a big liar !!!!!!


Torrie Osborn   July 23rd, 2010 5:54 pm ET

I believe that Rachel contributed to the death of Sarah but I would have found her guilty of the lessor charge. This is such a sad senseless event and now has taken two young girl's life's.


Christina Constantin   July 23rd, 2010 5:58 pm ET

I think its ashame Joshua Camacho should bare some type of responsibility in this as well. He could have stopped it since he watched them fight.


Sue/Indiana   July 23rd, 2010 5:59 pm ET

I am so glad Rachel Wade was found guilty for murder. It was blatantly obvious to me as I watched the trial that Rachel was on a witch hunt from months previous to the fatal attack. The messages played in court with Rachel's own voice THREATENING AND PROMISING she would kill Sarah did me in. How could that defense attorney even BEGIN to defend this self-proclaimed bitch? And that guy they were fighting over was absolutely a looser!!!!!

I pray that Sarah rests in peace now that her killer is behind bars. Justice has been served on this case!!


Susy   July 23rd, 2010 6:06 pm ET

I think this is a sad turn of events. I honesty fell Miss Wade was in fear of her life and it was self defense. After all Sarah Luderman, came out of her vehicle with 2 other young women at her. I would have felt threatened myself. I realize that there was recorded remarks by Miss Wade, they were nine months before the actual events. What about Sarah threats to Racheal? I realize she had a knife with her but I carry one myself and I am 51 years old. I would pull mine out if three females came at me too. Second degree murder is just to harsh a punishment. May the Lord be with Racheal, her family and the family of Sarah.


Georgia   July 23rd, 2010 6:08 pm ET

I hope the judge will be lenient in sentencing. All of the kids involved are guilty in this murder, including lack of parental involvement. It is obvious that all the kids involved are trouble makers and gang wanna bes who are always on the lookout for causing trouble. It's troubling that parents don't get more involved in their children's lives – without guidance, this is what can happen. Let's hope the police will have enough evidence from the trial testimony to search Comancho's abode for that gun he has hidden.


Deidre Lee   July 23rd, 2010 6:19 pm ET

Excellent – good for the jury. She not only murdered this young woman but condemned her parents to live with the death of a child.


Pam Bruecker   July 23rd, 2010 6:19 pm ET

I feel that justice was served in this case only because if you are in FEAR of your life you don't sit and wait outside with a knife. She was Guilty from the start.


lori   July 23rd, 2010 6:23 pm ET

She was innocent..the jury got it wrong


MARIE   July 23rd, 2010 6:23 pm ET

What a tragady for all, but I definitely agree with the verdict.


Antoinette   July 23rd, 2010 6:39 pm ET

What a waste. I feel sorry for all parties involved.


missmarple   July 23rd, 2010 6:54 pm ET

Guilty. Oh my gosh. This girl is going to have a long time to think about the decisions she made. One young girl is dead, one is on her way to prison and the dirt bag who caused it all is free to continue his useless life. Surely fate will give him justice. I am sad at all of this. How easy it would have been to prevent this from happening. Fighting never makes a position right, it just shows who is stronger or in this case stupider I inagine Rachel is scaried to death to think of entering a prison. I would be and I am much older than she.
Parents should be much more active in their children's lives at all stages. My son took a turn for the wildside when he was a teenager. I battled him every step of the way. Not with fists of course, but with everything I could. I lost some of the battles but I won the war. I layed my love for him on the line and I believe that is what saved him. I never lessened the love, I just got super tough on the consequences. It didn't change overnight or even in one year but it finally worked. He never spent more than one night in a jail. He is a father now and a hard working man that people like and respect. They are worth saving.


tina kovach   July 23rd, 2010 6:57 pm ET

This is just awful. Our children get so caught up in love triagles.
They say and do things that no one could image. I Dont think she ment to kill anyone, but it got out of hand. I think she needs to be held accountable but i hope its not life.


GINA   July 23rd, 2010 7:01 pm ET

I think the jury got this very wrong... This girl was in fear and tried to go to a friends house to get away . And they went there looking for her. As a mother of a 19 yr old if three girls got out of a vehicle towards her I would want her to protect herself. t I am sorry about the death of Sarah as anyone would be but she definately was to blame for this also. I am so sorry for Rachel that she felt she had to protect herself and had that much fear. After watching the whole thing I think the two girls who testified for the state were full of crap. I think they were looking for trouble and now look what happened. And as far as the boy Joshua are you kidding me who would even want to fight over him... Rachel I will pray for you and I wish you all the best. My heart is hurting over this verdict... ... Self Defense is what it was !!!!!


bm   July 23rd, 2010 7:07 pm ET

wade needs to get life.she lied though out her trial.the da caught her lying so much she didn`t know what she was saying half of the time.


Olive   July 23rd, 2010 7:15 pm ET

I cannot belive this ...the girl was bullied,harrased, beat and this jury gives her... this verdic after only 21/2 hours.what happened to self defense maybe she would have proven the elements of self defense as the procecuter lady hinted she should have kept on killing to prove that. There is something really wrong with our justice system and our society.


Christina Henry   July 23rd, 2010 7:38 pm ET

I am so glad she was convicted! That was obviously not self Defense!!!


lynnette pdrigo   July 23rd, 2010 7:41 pm ET

im a filipino lawyer and upon hearing the facts of the case, i knew all along it can never be self defense. wade should have ran away from the beginning to avoid her aggressors instead of meeting halfway and engaging in the fight with full knowledge that she's outnumbered. in addition, if it would have been a stone or a stick that she had, it would have been a different story. but it was a knife, one thing that would really bring about death when used in a fight and considering the seriousness of hate involved, how can she not have premeditated? no way she could not have. i commend the prosecutor for her very detailed line of questions that definitely caught wade with her pants down. wade got what she deserved!


Elizabeth   July 23rd, 2010 7:47 pm ET

This is really unfortunate. I think at most Wade should have been convicted of manslaughter. A gang of 3 girls against only 1 girl. Wade suffered multiple blows to the head and more before using her knife to defend herself. We have all heard about recent events wherein young men AND young women have been beaten to death, or suffered brain damage by having their heads slammed into the road, or kicked in the head by others and/or pummeled in the face to the extent where they are brain dead. So called "fights without deadly weapons." If you are not aware of these events, do the research and you may have a better understanding of this very young girl's circumstances on the tragic night in question. I hope Wade is able to win an appeal for a new trial. In my opinion, the jury got it wrong.


Kentucky Girl   July 23rd, 2010 8:05 pm ET

I really Think that isn't right for one they only used the message's from Rachael's part where was the call's coming from Sarah's Phone? Why was Sarah and her friend speeding over to where Rachel was? I feel Justice was not served There is No Justice in this case. Rachael Really didn't mean what she was saying Month's ago on the phone Just how kid's talk These's day's. Plus wasn't fair That it only to 2 1/2 hour to Return the Verdict . I Believe Rachael shouldn't have to spend the 20 1/2 year's of her life behind bar's This was a one way street and it wasn't fair. The question's That was ask to the boy it all started over was just stupid in it's self he should have to Pay some kinda Price for even letting this get as far as it did.. No he is going to walk and go on with his life like nothing ever happened. I really Believe this was wrong to give Rachel The Verdict that she got. Just not fair just goes to show What kinda ppl are in this tuff world. Kentucky Girl. Brenda


Nellie Hudson   July 23rd, 2010 8:07 pm ET

Where is the romeo boyfriend, who instigated all this? The girl murdered another girl..she has to face the consequences of her actions......


may   July 23rd, 2010 8:09 pm ET

I am glad the verdict was guilty. You don't approach someone with a waspon unless you have the intent to harm. She put the knife in the victim twicee. This was no self-defense.,


gabe   July 23rd, 2010 8:12 pm ET

I have been watching the trial at home in Hemet,California. I feel the jury really did'nt get the full understanding of the defendent's state of mind. My heart goes out to both family's.Good luck!


Valerie Moore   July 23rd, 2010 8:25 pm ET

I think the guilty verdict was unfair. If anything she should have received involuntary manslaughter. I feel for the family of Sarah Ludemann, but she was guilty of tracking Rachel Wade down to fight.
That night Sarah was the aggresser. Lesson learned for all ladies, "Never fight over a boy or man"


michele   July 23rd, 2010 8:35 pm ET

why was there only a six person jury? and what was the demographics of the jury?


David Curtis   July 23rd, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I thought manslaughter would have been appropriate. After all, Sarah did contribute to her own demise.


Nancy   July 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

Yes the verdict was exactly what it should it have been. Good job jurors!! Now I wish the investigators whould go after Joshua Comacho. Check out everything about this jerk. For instance did this low life have a license to have a gun? Also I believe he said under oath that he didn't have the gun but that he didn't get rid of it. HUH!! How about a charge of perjury? I hope the officials in Florida pursue this and make this so called man pay the price these two women have paid and will pay.


Bette   July 23rd, 2010 10:13 pm ET

Sad all around and the real person to blame is Joshua, his playing a game of girlfriend pass around lead to this. Maybe now he'll rethink his style and life for the child he now has with the thrid woman


jet   July 23rd, 2010 11:20 pm ET

She took a life,and now the state has her life,but maybe she will meet the best love anyone can have,the love of JESUS CHRIST.


PAJUDGE   July 23rd, 2010 11:55 pm ET

Look, it comes down to this. Sarah came looking for a fight and lost. SHE did not think about HER actions before she did them. If I knew someone was looking for me I would have had some protection myself! Please stop with the "she was just sitting in her car and Rachel came up to her". She drove over there where Rachel was and came at her, she lost the battle and the war– sorry. Don't go looking for trouble and be upset when you find it.
All of those voice mails were tough talk and that's it. If Rachel was going to intentionally do anythin she would have done it her own way months ago. This jury got it wrong. This girl had to do what she had to do to protect herself.
Once again the fight came to her and she won–sorry.


LauraTJ   July 23rd, 2010 11:56 pm ET

This was the right verdict,although it is so sad to have one young woman dead & one going to prison for a long time. Rachel brought a knife to this confrontation –she had every intention to use it,maybe just to cut her–not to murder her.And the way the wound was inflicted - this was rage & very personnal - it was not in self defense. Sad all around - I wonder how she feels now?


Glenda Simpson   July 24th, 2010 12:05 am ET

I think Rachel Wade should have been found not guilty, I believe Sarah Ludemann probably brought a lot of what happened on herself. She didn't deserve to die, but she wasn't an innocent by stander either. Those three girls intended to scare Rachel, and they did. I hope the Judge does not give her life in prison.


jet   July 24th, 2010 12:56 am ET

Ifeel so sad for both families of these girls.Sarah's life is over unless she knows Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior.If she did then she's with him and she is happy and very much loved. Now Rachael is going to spend many years in prison. If she doen't know JESUS CHRIST maybe she will meet him while she's in prison. Then she'll know what it really is to really love and be loved.I pray that God will be with these families and something good can come to bring comfort to them.GOD BLESS!!!


Michelle   July 24th, 2010 1:50 am ET

They came looking for her. I don't agree with the verdict. She was just trying to defend herself. The phone call threats were old but the prosecution made it sound as if Ms Wade made the calls, took a knife, and then found Sarah and stabbed her. Such a shame, all over a dirtbag boy who only cares about himself and thinking he's a player. He ain't even all that!!!!! I bet the taxpayers are supporting "his baby momma" and his baby too!


joe   July 24th, 2010 5:53 am ET

What a travesty of justice. Yeah, she threatened the victim but, there is a difference between making the threats as opposed to actually confronting. While I take nothing from the sadness of the victim's death and would wish that on no one, the victim It is my opinion she placed herself in that position. I believe Rachel had the absolute right to defend herself. The jury got it wrong this time.and her friends went looking for Rachel with the intent to cause bodily harm.


Sue   July 24th, 2010 7:08 am ET

I think a lot of it comes down to what we have seen versus what the jury saw. How many times did they release the jury, yet both sides argued different issues?

BTW, totally think this is over the top to send this girl to jail for 20 plus years.


Chris   July 24th, 2010 11:25 am ET

I knew it, the case was a slam dunk with that many men on the jury. She's blessed that she wasn;t charged with first degree murder. Those cell phone calls sealed her fate.


Electra Jinks   July 24th, 2010 12:12 pm ET

OMG I think the verdict is wrong.Sarah was just as wrong as Rachel,she went looking for trouble and found a very scared girl.If that was me I would have done the same,defended myself!!!Sarah knew Rachel had the knife,so why didn't she get back in her van and just leave???


Kate   July 24th, 2010 12:34 pm ET

Good !!!!

When she took the stand she made it sound like she was the VICTIM.


Ashley T   July 24th, 2010 1:44 pm ET

YES! Finally,Im so glad they found her guilty. There is no way you can stab someone in the HEART and say it was just self defense. The other girl is no longer here to live her life all because jealously reared it ugly head. That isn't motive enough to claim for self defense in the case. She deserve's Life. 20years doesn't justifi Murder.


Carol Vettese   July 24th, 2010 3:05 pm ET

What a horible situation, both parents lose their precious daughters. I do not think Racheal meant to kill Sarah, and should have gotten a lessor charge.
What a shame for both families.
Carol


Candice   July 24th, 2010 4:09 pm ET

I really hate that people can't defend themselves anymore without being punished. What was she supposed to do? Was she supposed to let the three girls beat her so bad she became a vegetable? This is America people.


Barbara   July 24th, 2010 5:07 pm ET

I maintain that teenagers clearly know right from wrong. For the defense to use the tactic that her age makes her unable to understand the consequences of her action seems ludicrous.
Her voice mails were very difficult to hear. She said the words and her voice was hateful and angry. She did what she said she was going to do to. She murdered Sarah.
I pray for her and hope she meets the right people who will help her to heal and grow and eventually be a contributing member of society.


Annette B   July 24th, 2010 8:50 pm ET

I believe this was a just verdict. Even in court, Wade pretended to be remorseful, but her street smarts and attitude really showed through.
She seemed like real street trash. This is just a real tragedy, poor
Sarah just got caught in loving a scumbag who portrays himself as a
gang wantabe. So Sad.


Trisha Pochay   July 25th, 2010 9:56 am ET

I am very surprised by this verdict, I would have been the hold out for manslaughter. I agree that the death of Sara is tragic, but I fully believe that the threats where coming from both sides. I would be interested to know the ages of the jurors and if the have teenage children. can they identify with the drama of teenagers and how inpulsive they can be. I am also wondering about the defense, the gallery was full of supporters of Rachel, someone must have heard Sara make threats to Rachel, Why weren't the police reports of the times that Rachel called 911 introduced, what about co workers at Applebees, Rachel said they would come in and harrass her, and that she almost lost her job over it, why wasn't the manager called??? I think the defense was awful, I hope that somewhere there will be an opening for an appeal. I have used this trial and what happened as a learning tool for my children.


Curtiss Winterrowd   July 25th, 2010 10:53 am ET

I agree with the verdict handed down to the young woman. She made a big mistake and will pay for it. My question concerns Joshua Comacho and his obvious lying on the stand. Is there a punishment for lying on the stand any more? He was obviously evading the questions to him and lied about everything and could not remember. Yea, right. Can he be brought up on charges of perjury or do they just let the him go free?


Shelley   July 25th, 2010 8:20 pm ET

Unfortunately.... women are stupid enough to go for a man who doesn't give a crap about them, obviously, if he has two women on the go (probably more)... it's ashame they don't realize in the first 5 minutes after knowing there is another female, to say "good-bye" to the loser. Hope he is happy that because he is a piece of crap, a lot of lives are ruined.


joyce   July 26th, 2010 9:18 am ET

I feel this was self defense, they hunted her down to confront her.
Situations like this make it look like the criminal has more rights then the victim.


whitney   July 26th, 2010 9:22 am ET

I can't believe they found her guilty of second degree murder. I thought she should be guilty and have to pay the consquence for what she did but Ithought she should get manslaughter at least the lesser charge. I honestly in my heart believe the messages were just words, I have a seventeen year old sister who i could picture saying those words.I don't believe that when she said that she meant actually to do it. If the jury doesnt believe that it was an accident or self defense to stab her I partially understand but doesn't the fact that these three girls were out looking for her say anything. If she really wanted to killed her wouldn't she have been looking for her, that makes sense to me.I really hope that she doesn't get 20 years i think she should get like at least half of that ift will still efeect her whole life. I also do want to say that I feel terrible for sarah's family but I think they should know that sarah wasn't doing the right thing about the situation either. If she believed that rachel was going to kill her or that the messages were that serious why did she not go to the police or at least her parents.


Janine   July 26th, 2010 9:22 am ET

Yes I believe she is Gulity, Self defence to me means if you have no other means of escape, and you are in fear of your life, then and only then are you to use deadly force. She could have gotten back in her car left the scene. Went into this boys house instead of sitting on the car waiting. If I am scared for my life I am not going to be waiting for those who are threating me Plus she didn't seem to be worried about her life by the cell and text messages she had sent to sarah I think those sealed her fate.


Betty   July 26th, 2010 9:28 am ET

This is wrong. How can the jury watch and listen to this child during the trial and find her guilty? Teenagers and be very cruel to each other. Rachel was terrified for her own safety; three against one. She was guilty of bad choices but was likely no more violent or threatening than the other victim, Sarah. I hope this verdict can be reversed.


rose bonanno   July 26th, 2010 9:28 am ET

Kids today pick up anything to fight and look what happens.
Rachel should have just stayed home.
To me bringing a knife made it premeditated murder.


ROB   July 26th, 2010 9:45 am ET

I really think She should have been covicted of the lesser charge.It was an ongoing dispute.and a phisical encounter was bound to happen.Sarah DID throw the first punch.


Bruce   July 26th, 2010 9:50 am ET

What a waste of a life. Young people focusing too much on love instead of self esteem.


Sarinthia From Chicago   July 26th, 2010 9:53 am ET

In my opinion the verdict was harsh. Wade should have been convicted because she did murder someone; however I think she should have been convicted of a lessor charge. Sarah came looking for a fight and Wade was waiting for a fight. I do not think she feared Sarah in any way. The drama displayed in this case is the same drama you see everyday on myspace and facebook. Teens going back and forth over stupid things EVERYDAY. The voicemails were bad, but I kept in mind the voicemails were left months before the stabbing. I also kept in mind the voicemails that were left by Sarah were never kept so who's to say if she threatend Wade. I agree with Wade's attorney, this is the way young folks talk. If she wanted to murder Sarah I believe it would have been done soon after the messages not months after. My heart goes out to both families in this case 2 lives have been lost.


GramaGoldilocks   July 26th, 2010 9:54 am ET

Did anyone notice the outfit Rachel Wade chose to wear during her testimony? I suppose she thought that a little cleavage would sway the mostly male jury. Well, it didn't! Thank goodness.


Aaron   July 26th, 2010 10:02 am ET

It is a truly sad story but i totally disagree with the verdict handed down. When you are outnumbered, outweighed, and the police do nothing for you, what are you supposed to do? What happened to the theory of self-preservation? I feel for the victim in this case, but lets be honest, she threatened the defendant, went to her job to harass her, went to her house with numerous other females, and on the night in question tried to hit her with a Van directly before getting out of the car to fight the defendant, so she in no way was an angel.. I think that the reason the two young ladies wre feuding was ignorant, but nevertheless self-preservation should be preserved in America.


Liz From CT   July 26th, 2010 10:04 am ET

I think it is wrong for them to put her in jail! Love does something to the brain! I think she should be put in a mental institute! I didnt watch the hole case, but from what I heard and seen, she doesnt belong in jail/prison! If it was me, I prob would have done the same thing she did! Like I said, Love messes with your brain! Rachel Wade, You did what you had to do! I am on your side with this one!


LaTrina Turner   July 26th, 2010 10:05 am ET

This is such a tragic case for both sides. These young ladies so young with so much ahead of them fighting over some young man who was playing both of them. As sad as it is, I believe the verdict was just. The voice mails were so full of rage and hatred and that was the nail in her coffin. Young ladies in situations like this need to learn that the problem is not between them but with the guy they both liked so very much. I wonder how he feels now or does he feel? Tragic


donald cochran   July 26th, 2010 10:10 am ET

if you ask me both of theese girls would have done themselves a favor by simply leaving this guy alone.they both knew he was seeing the other one so it would have been easier to just walk away from the matter and leave him alone where there would have been no problem.if he was to be seeing a third woman he should have told them about this and the child he had with her.maybe this would have changed things for both of them having knowledge of this.


Tracy   July 26th, 2010 10:13 am ET

I feel that this conviction and sense is well deserved. She did murder this other young woman afterall. I dont feel that in this case it was full self defense. You can obviously hear and feel the anger Wade had towards Ludemann from the voicemails. It may have been for "love" but a young adult is still dead. Teenagers these days and their "love" They know nothing of it!


knowledge   July 26th, 2010 10:16 am ET

rachel said she was going to murder her and she went thru with her threats and due to that fact she got what she deserved... point blank period!!!!


Tracy   July 26th, 2010 10:16 am ET

To Trisha: Yes the threats were coming from both sides but only one woman is dead! Only one woman brought a deadly weapon to this encounter. And only one woman threw away the knife and tried to hide what happened. I dont feel she should receive life in prison but she did commit murder. This conviction was not too harsh. I remember being heartbroken and upset over a boy but never enough to stab somebody twice in the chest over it.


Susie   July 26th, 2010 10:22 am ET

In watching this trial coverage I always wanted to know whether or not there was any question as to maybe since the girls were in such a tussle that maybe Sarah fell into the knife.


knowledge   July 26th, 2010 10:31 am ET

aside from bias testimony from both sides what does the forensics say... where was the blood was their a blood trail?... was there splatter and in wht direction?.. stop bein swayed from tears n lies.. the truth is the truth and she got wht she deserved!!!


Marilyn   July 26th, 2010 10:31 am ET

At trial, Rachel Wade looks like an angel. But those text and cell phone messages did her in. Also, at 19, she was naive to believe that a jury would find her not guilty. She was offered a plea and should have taken it. Her attorney appears to have recommended it to her.


knowledge   July 26th, 2010 10:55 am ET

watching the cross exam... man she is tearing her a new one lol... u c how quickly a lie breaks down... " u can remember everything b4 u can remember everything after BUT u can't remember stabbing her".. that was BEAUTIFUL!!!


Tom   July 26th, 2010 11:05 am ET

Wade had a hard time proving self defense for a number of reasons. First she threatened to murder ludeman in voice mail messages, and Wade called her on her cell phone, just minutes before Ludeman showed up at Wades location. Who calls a person they are alledgedly afraid of just to antagonize them and inflame the situation? Wade fueled this fire herself, in the hope that Ludeman would show up, and when she did, Wade was sitting outside, armed, and waiting for her. She planned this event, and she advanced herself into the situation to engage the fight. She stabbed Ludeman within seconds of her arrival, and then didn't fight anyone else. Ludeman was her only target, and that's the only person she fought and stabbed. The jury got it right.


Maggie Domenick   July 26th, 2010 11:11 am ET

Why do some female lawyers speak with such "squeeky" voices. The prosecuting attorney in this case did a horrible job. Sometimes her voice was so high only a dog could hear and understand.


Paul Stein   July 26th, 2010 11:20 am ET

What in God's name is wrong with these young women? Why would either of them be in a relatioship with a low-life like this who reated them and everyone else so badly? This guy's ego and narcissism seems to be the thing that drove this entire tragedy. But their willingness to do his bidding is sick and pathetic. The astonishing lack of values and judgement is not just evident in Rachel's stabbing of Sarah, but even more so in their allowing themselves to be drawn into this sick web of relatiohships. I'd like to know about their family backgrounds and upbringing to try to understand why they would stoop to this kind of depravity.


Monica Lee   July 26th, 2010 11:34 am ET

I truly feel sorry for all involved. One young life is gone forever and one young life is forever changed. I sincerely think that young people of this age don't understand the ultimate consequences of their actions or the magnatude of the events that occur. We as adults need to be in constant contact with out teens and reiterate the fact that we are all responsible for our actions and that what we may think is important (young love) really isn't in the long run. My heart goes out to both families. I hope they both can find it in their hearts to forgive each other. I also hope Rachel gets another chance to make amends for her actions and be able to serve out the rest of her life in peace.


Carolyn Venters   July 26th, 2010 11:40 am ET

I do not feel justice was served in this case. I will never believe that Sarah didn't leave the same type of messages. I probably wouldn't have saved mine either, thinking they were stupid. But I guess this is a message to all of us. Rachel might have grabbed the knife to protect herself on the way to the car also. With as fast as everything went down, I see how she doesn't remember the stabbing. And I'm sure the shock of seeing blood in a fight for the first time would put me into shock also. I just somehow believe Rachel. And guys are not going to get into the fist fight itself.


Casey   July 26th, 2010 11:54 am ET

Thank God they had jurors with brains for change. Im tired of people getting away with murder so easy in this country.


kathy shaffer   July 26th, 2010 12:00 pm ET

I think the guilty verdict was justified. If she was so scared why wasn't she hiding instead of sitting on the hood of her car with a knife.


judy   July 26th, 2010 12:03 pm ET

Mike Brooks, you are awesome! You always seem to find the one thing that everyone else ignores and bring it to light. In this case, the fact that she was putting herself out there for confrontation instead of just going inside or calling police. Of course, they were going to know where she was. It wasn't as if she were that hard to find. On the subject of the defense claiming that things may have gone differently if there had been some younger people on the jury, that is a bunch of bunk. Just another ploy. Does he think that we are stupid just because we are older and does he forget that we were all young once and I certainly remember the anger and the jealousy I experienced and I now have grandchildren and I saw some of the things they had to deal with when they were in high school. Lots of drama, but there are other ways to deal with things like this.


Nate Thomas   July 26th, 2010 12:14 pm ET

In my opinion I agree with the guilty verdict. Young adults need to get the message that resulting to violence should be the last resort and they should make every effort to avoid violence. If and when you choose violence in result to your anger, you must be held accountable for your actions. Young people should learn from this. There are two young adults cut down in life, because they forgot how precious life is and they got so narrow minded in their personal drama, they failed the merely remove themselves by looking at all the other wonderful things there are in life to focus on.

Well, as it may be a factor that one young man interferred in these young ladies decision, yet the lesson of the day is that they are held accountable for their own actions.

Its only self defense if you show effort to avoid the conflict, not face it head on.

" Two wrongs don't make a right. "

This is a loose, loose on both sides and for all those pointing the finger at what everyone else should have done, they only need to look in the mirror and question, " what I should I have done to interfer and stop this from happening. "

May God Bless both family and friends as they suffer their lost.


tama ghedini   July 26th, 2010 12:16 pm ET

young girls are so dumb! all this over a boy who was cheating on both of them! what a waste of 2 young lives and the boy is still out there doing this to other dumb girls!


Tee B   July 26th, 2010 12:19 pm ET

I feel for both families. In my opinion, if Rachel was threathened by Sarah she should have reported it to Law Enforcement. Not take it upon herself to Solve the SITUATION. Being Pravado does not make you innocent.


Dannielle   July 26th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

I was very surprised at the verdict and how quickly it came back. I am almost always pro prosecution, but in this case I would have voted voluntary manslaughter because of the harrassment by Sarah and her friends. I watched the whole trial and I thought it was clearly self defense. (I am not a 20 something either – asm in my 50's) One more thought: What is the matter with these girls fighting over this loser. He has no job, lives at home, and I'm sure the taxpayers of sthe Sate of Florida are paying for his illegitimate kid. So very sad


Marshall   July 26th, 2010 12:24 pm ET

Rachel Wade new exactly what she was doing. She, like so many other young women, watch shows like The Bad Girls Club, For the Love of..., and The Jersy Shore that glamorize cat-fighting and decided to not only emmulate this same behavior biut one up it as well. All this pain and suffering over a cook.


Tee B   July 26th, 2010 12:26 pm ET

Second degree murder? I thought the jury would have found her guilty of a lesser charge of Man 1. I would like to know what happen to the text's Sarah sent to Rachal. Why were they delated?

Tee


renee vance   July 26th, 2010 12:28 pm ET

I so disagree with this verdict. I think she should have received something, but not 2nd degree Murder. I have a daughter about her age and have seen her deal with many bully girls and seen the drama where my daughter felt she needed to carry a weapon with her just to make sure that she wasn't hurt walking to the bus stop. Kids this age is very different. I wish she would of had younger people or people with kids her age on the jury who would have understood this way of life that these girls have to deal with. Her ranting on voicemails in my opinion was just talk on both sides, just Sarah saved her messages.


Kristy   July 26th, 2010 12:28 pm ET

Well the simple fact that she came out of her apartment that night instead of asking Javier to come over there, is the reason she is guilty. I mean think about it... In her own words she claimed when she got home from work that night, she could hear them out front of her apartment, but couldn't see them... I cannot believe if she really was that afraid she would come out of that apartment for any reason. If she was scared she could have just as easily asked Javier to come over there and this event would not have happened. To think she left that apartment with knife in hand shows me she knew she was going to encounter the girls and wanted to be prepared. You have to be smart enough to know that nothing good comes out of using a weapon... especially when there was obviously so much anger and hostility already there. Hindsight is always 20/20 and it's just a shame she didn't think before she reacted.


valerie   July 26th, 2010 12:29 pm ET

I do believe the verdict is right. In the messege she said she would murder her and she did. I think she deserves the full sentence. There was other ways she could have dealt with it. That is why we have police and restraining orders.


Kimberlee   July 26th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

I think it should have been manslaughter..such a sad tragedy..all were guilty...This girl Rachel should have gotten probation and made to go to schools and tell about what happen and how it all turned out she could help other girls going through what she went through before it gets out of hand...she can be a witness...Sarahs parents need to find a way to forgive so they can move on...something good can come out of something so bad...


carolyn   July 26th, 2010 12:31 pm ET

All those kids were role playing "macho" . What happened was inevitable . To think this was all over that punk. What a total bunch of idiots. Hope she gets the max because she murdered that girl.


angelo messina   July 26th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

What I'd like to know is why rachel wade's parents allowed their daughter to date a low-life of the opposite race. They should be held accountable and should have put a stop to this dating shame. This is what happens when people allow their sons and daughters to cross lines. Nothing good comes of it.


melissa dekker   July 26th, 2010 12:34 pm ET

I think this is a prime example of how litteraly one second of a bad choice can ruin Many lives in litteraly a blink of an eye. FOREVER! No one wins.


Teresa Calvillo   July 26th, 2010 12:35 pm ET

The parents on both sides were doing something about this problem?

This generation is different YES but the parents are too they give up they do not try to resolve problems Yes is a lot a work but you never stopt trying.
Gog help both families .


Leanne   July 26th, 2010 12:37 pm ET

I don't know why Josh wasn't charged with something. He incited and directed the girls to fight for him. Isn't he as liable as Manson?


Emilia Valles   July 26th, 2010 12:39 pm ET

I believe that this girl is guilty, if she was really afraid of Sarah why i-nstead of waiting for her outside the house she did not call the police. Also Sarah did not hit herit was Joshua's sister but still she went after Sarah and as far that the young people today talk like her as the defense attorney claim that is not true and I can believe that he went on TV and said that. I have about 8 nices and nefiew and none of them talk like that. Finally I also beleive that instead of making her looking so innocent find out how and who Sarah was and how much her parents are going to missed her. At the end Rachel took a life and she deserves to go to jail


Jennifer   July 26th, 2010 12:40 pm ET

I think they got this one wrong, she should have been convicted of manslaughter! Sara came to her, not the other way around! If Sara didn't want to confront her, she would not have been there, period! The parents of both girls are just as guilty! If Rachael had discipline problems, they needed to deal with that! Send her away! Sara should not have been involved with such a punk! Her parents should have seen how he was manipulating her and stepped in and told that punk to get lost! His sister is a piece of crap too, 4 kids already! I bet she's not even married or the kids have different fathers! LOSER!!!!! I think Janet should have been charged for inciting violence or something and Camacho also should have been charged with something similar!!!!! I only hope Rachael will come to terms with what brought her here and she will grow to be a caring and kind adult someday and do something good with her life. Sad, sad, sad.


As I See It   July 26th, 2010 12:42 pm ET

It is such a shame that two young women were hooked up with this piece of trash Camacho! One's dead and the other spending at least 20 1/2 years. I believe this whole Camacho family is trash! look at the sister who I believe eged on the rivalry between these two girls. Camacho's sister has four children and one on the way and from listening to her testomony she is an idiot and can't do much more than produce babies. Stay away from the scum!


Jack   July 26th, 2010 12:43 pm ET

I disagree with the verdict, law enforcement should of stopped this love trangle or teenage bully, what ever you may call it. Now two families have been distroyed for the rest of there life. These teenager went to far, the jury missed this one, I hope there is a appeal and she gets a better attorney than she has. The most they should of come out of this is manslaughter, not second degree..


Dannielle   July 26th, 2010 12:46 pm ET

I wanted to add also that I think she should be punished for killing Sarah...I just think it should have been manslaughter instead of Murder 2. Many people have commented that Rachel's attorney didn't represent her very well and I totally disagree. I thought he did a wonderful job. I think it was just the make-up of the jury. Again so very sad for both families.


marmstrong   July 26th, 2010 12:53 pm ET

A lot people say things when mad or scared

The jury got it wrongwade didn't need to fight for him she knew he would come back to her this wasn't a girl on girl fight this was a girls on one girl fight what if it was wade that got stab
Would jury seeit the sameway I think janet is guilty of murder she should of stayed out of it


jana green   July 26th, 2010 1:15 pm ET

I think everybody is stuck on this old voice mail, all though it was threatening murder it is very clear that sarah was not afraid of rachel and that sarah was the pursuer in this case I dont think there is one instance of rachel chasing sarah down or coming to her work or home I think rachel was clearly afraid of her and not the other way around so to me the voice mail is irrelavant and It is very clear who the aggressor was in this case. If sarah was so afraid of being murdered than why is she running around the city in looking for her. I would be afraid if three people come looking to beat me up. I think this is self defense or at the least manslaughter.


darlene cable   July 26th, 2010 1:16 pm ET

i am a 51 yr old mother of 2 girls that are a few yrs older then rachel and sarah but i look and think back and see how it could have been one of or both of my girls going through something like this the way kids are today in canada as well as united states.those e mails are exactly the way kids talk today to each other i'm gonna kill u ,i'm gonna murder you i do not feel or think the girl meant it in the full meaning of the word.how ever it did happen so she is guilty of something but i do not see murder being what happened.there needs to be punishment but not 20.5 yrs what good will that do?my heart goes out to both families! sarah's mother said " justice was served " I ASK HOW ? IN WHAT WAY WAS IT SERVED ? I feel the mom was distraught and was venting like the girls did in emails !


RLW   July 26th, 2010 1:26 pm ET

I followed this trial pretty closely and, while taking into consideration ALL of the evidence available to me as a viewer along with the closing arguments from both sides, I completely agree with the guilty verdict. I also agree that both girls had been talking "tough chick" talk towards each other for months. They also both acted out their "tough chick" talk. Sarah didn't have or use a lethal weapon at the scene, Rachel did. Rachel's sentence will be imprisonment for a minimum of 20 1/2 years ... justice for her is being served. However; I can't say the same for Sarah who has been sentenced to death. Her family and loved ones are now sentenced to a life without her.


Diane, Pembroke Pines, FL   July 26th, 2010 1:34 pm ET

In my opinion Rachael should have been found guilty. She didn't try to flee the area and get away from Sarah , she was ready to fight.


katie   July 26th, 2010 1:36 pm ET

i do not feel that she was charged right all the evidence points to self defense the other girls where harassing her and came to find her they where meaning to hurt her she brought the knife for her own self defense yea i realize that she threw the knife on the roof but that is adrenaline she is still really young and girls are mean and vicious beings especially when it comes to guys these girls came looking for trouble one of them got the wrong end of the stick i feel bad that the girl had to pass but i feel that she brought the knife to scare them not to harm them i feel that Rachel Wade is NOT GUILTY


AMY   July 26th, 2010 1:39 pm ET

I agree with this post, these girls found her, came to her looking for trouble, and I think the other girls involved should be charged also. THey let this happen. I think the guilty ruling is a true tragedy. Clearly, this young woman was terrified of the bullying girls. The girls set out to find her and cause her harm. These girls are used to fighting...they were drinking, smoking pot and looking to start trouble. They picked on her and preyed on her with a pack mentality. Ultimately one of the aggressors lost her life. I feel awful for her family, but she was clearly involved with troubled people and friends. With so much dysfunction in the world, it makes me wonder why some people perpetuate violence and harm. I think the Camacho family members involved are disgusting for lying, for instigating "fighting," using dangerous weapons like guns, partying in a house with four small children...it's pathetic and in the words of the youth, "ghetto." It is an injustice that Joshua Camacho isn't charged with anything. What message does this send? I feel sorry for his child. He is reckless, irresponsible and a true loser.

Rachel Wade is innocent in my opinion. I feel so sad for her and I hope that somehow this will be overturned. If she is punished, all of the minions involved should be punished in some way too.


Dayna   July 26th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

The jury got it right!Her voicemails say a lot!!


Gloria   July 26th, 2010 1:43 pm ET

The jury got it wrong. So did the defense attorney. A lot of points were not even argued. What about an expert in battered women? That boyfriend told them both to fight between them–not to be mad at him. What about all the people standing around and probably egging them on? Why wasn't it emphasized when Sarah's friend said "there was no stopping Sarah." Sarah went there to attack her–she defended herself. I can see manslaughter, but doesn't 2nd degree murder require the intent to kill? Do we really believe she intended to kill her?
I don't.


James   July 26th, 2010 1:43 pm ET

Wrong verdict due to ageism and gender bias. You switch this to three 30 year old males jumping out a van to beat you and everyone sees the danger. This was 5 men on a jury of six determining to punish a young girl for going too far in a "catfight", its shameful. Everyone has an right to defend themselves, she was hiding they found her and jumped her and she defended herself it that simple.


betty smith   July 26th, 2010 1:50 pm ET

justice is truly blind ! Rachel was clearly bullied.fact Rachel made threats back ,fact Sarah harassed her even at her job ,fact Sarah and 3 of her friends came to find her an blocked her car . fact she got attacked . i believe ( la boy ) testimony proved that. i think prosecution continued to bully Rachel,saying over an over about her getting beat up by 1 of the 3 that came there to do just that. i watched in horror. i have 3 girls so i worry about bully clicks.i think there ignoring the facts,it was clearly self defense, an i think state took sides because of a death.an some one has to pay . why are the facts being ignored . Sarah Ludemann an her bully click have to be held responsible to , my mom, always told me running home was as far as i could run , this poor girl couldn't even do that ! weres the justice!


AMY   July 26th, 2010 1:51 pm ET

Where were the parents for both girls. How can you let all of this happen for 9 months for god sakes! Ashley should be punshed also, she drove by and told Sarah where Rachel was. What a pity, what a loss. Everyone involved needs punshed, even the parents!! THe voice messages were old. I would also like to know if Sarah and the others from the van were blood tested, what all was in their bloodstream??
What a loss for both families.


Gloria   July 26th, 2010 1:56 pm ET

I can't stop thinking about Rachel Wade–does anyone know if there's any way she can receive a sentence for less than 20 years?


Elsie   July 26th, 2010 1:56 pm ET

Right, the charges were not right. She should have been charge with first degree murder. She carried around that knife until she did what she wanted to do. And that was to kill Sarah. If Sarah had a knife also than it would have been self defense. She had so many chances to just go home and leave that situation alone. And please don't blame Joshua, he didn't kill anyone. No one plays another person no more than you let them. He clearly said he wasn't dating neither of them, but was good friends anyway with Sarah. She will get what she deserves. I hope not less than 20 years. Her age doesn't have anything to do with it. 19 is a young adult.


Robert   July 26th, 2010 2:00 pm ET

I agree with Krissie 100%. She was wrong to bring the knife-but when you feel your life is threatened by a bunch of brainless teens-who knows what THEY would have done to her. She didn't go looking for a fight-it came to her. I blame everyone of her friends for not de-escalating the confronation-and anyone who ASSAULTED her should be charged and go to jail. My understanding is-if a dealth occurs-during a crime-ASSAULT AND BATTERY in this case- that all of the people doing the assaulting are equally guilty. Why weren't they charged?? The texting and nasty dialogue that occurred-eminates from the feeling of fear and uncertainty as to what the other party will actually do. I would not want that prosecutor to be questioning Jesus-as he would definitely be found Guilty. This was Manslaughter at the most.


Rick   July 26th, 2010 2:02 pm ET

Even if she was scared and carried the knife for protection I feel that the previous threats of murder did her in. If she wasn't wanting a fight, why was she standing in front of her car waiting when they drove up?


Marcia H. Ribera   July 26th, 2010 2:07 pm ET

Today, on Mon., Javier looks so scared, I hope his new "love" is of a different ilk than his past friends. He has a future, and I know at his age it's tough to change oneself, but I hope he does, and takes HIS time populating the planet. Thank you


Gloria   July 26th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

I'm also very surprised that the jury didn't turn off to the prosecutor. I thought for sure that her abrasive and bullying demeanor would have helped Rachel. The prosecutor made me empathize with Rachel, not Sara.


Sarah   July 26th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

This is a complete and total travesty of justice. How on Earth did this jury take a mere 3 hours to find this girl guilty of 2nd degree murder? At the very most, Ms. Wade should have been convicted of manslaughter, though if our justice system had worked for this young woman, she should have been exonerated. I'm disgusted.


jackie sholes   July 26th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

justice has not been served, wade acted in self defense what a shame u cant count on the court system anymore in this country n camacho should be the on e guilty in all of this what a self serving pig


Marvin Jenkins   July 26th, 2010 2:15 pm ET

Where do I start, enough is enough the young people are out of control we want to say that is the way they talk to each other, are you kidding me? We need to hold them to there decisions if they want to act like idiots so be it. Rachael meant what she said and did it, what upset me so much is how lives are ruin because they are unable to think and when you try and speak with them about what they are doing they curse at you.
My heart goes out to both girls parents because they donot have a clue. It is sad we are so quick to make excuses for our kids.
OVER a BOY what is wrong with this picture? Please stop the MADNESS PLEASE.


TC   July 26th, 2010 2:15 pm ET

what the hell is she supposed to do? Let THREE girls attackher who were out looking to attack her, just do it!??.
I would do the same thing, bring a weapen against them.
this conviction is crazy. It should be self defense. She is young, scared to death and brought something to defend herself


Sam Husselman   July 26th, 2010 2:29 pm ET

My wife and I are licensed private investigators. We cannot believe the verdict for Rachel Wade. The verocity of the witnesses is key. Defence was right on. It was easy to see that all the prosecution witnesses were lying. The boyfriend was lying and had no memory. A six person jury is not right for any murder trial. Rachel should have been either found not guilty for self defenseor maybe manslauter. I hope the judge gives her time served.


Dave   July 26th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

The jury got it wrong, It was self-defense. People keep Thanking God, God had nothing to do with this. It was Josh and his sister, who kept pushing these girl to fight to show their love for this loser. Than they were helped by a Florida prosecutor looking for another win guilt as nothing to do with it for this prosecutor. This is sad but it happens every day in our courts the guilty go free and prosecutors become judges. Way to go Florida.


Elaine Fetters   July 26th, 2010 2:38 pm ET

I agree with the verdict. I understand kids as I raised both a boy and a girl and I understand things are hard out there but this is no way to handle anything. I believe she had the knife and knew what she was going to do.
It is so sad what your kids are doing now a days but parents have to be there and know what is going in. Be a part of their lives!!!!!!!!!


Dee Teter   July 26th, 2010 2:44 pm ET

To Sarah's family, I'm so sorry for the loss of your Beautiful Daughter.I don't understand kids these days..She said things in the heat of the Monet..That were horrible...And i don't think she meant to kill Sarah..And think she needed a lesser charge..and help consulting.Now 2 young lives are lost...Were are these parents ?? They need to teach there Children..No matter what volice isn't the answer..I have a son with Specials needs and was teased in school..He Didn't EVER hurt another child..Dee


carol kesling   July 26th, 2010 2:45 pm ET

hopefully josh has a little bit of remorse for what happened in this case !!! somehow i really don't think he does... and i do beleive he lied when he was on the stand !!! what a big loser !!! someday he will do this to the wrong person and he will get his just dessert !!! it's called "KARMA" josh ...


Aaron   July 26th, 2010 2:50 pm ET

She lost it over nothing. She need God in her life, and now she has time to ask the lord for forgiveness. I think 1st degree should have fit the crime due to the bringing of the knife.Know friendship is worth the life of another.


Kate   July 26th, 2010 2:56 pm ET

There are some of us who have experienced similar situations and have brought it to the attention of our parents,teachers or dealt with it thru Fists and Cuffs.This is a sign of our times,our world is Angry,she has obvious anger issues, and resorted to using a weapon.It could have been a bat,gun. Unfortunately this is how the kids fight today,with weapons clearly not thinking that as a result you end up in jail,like her.

BTW Excellent Pros.RIP Sarah.


Shay, NC   July 26th, 2010 3:02 pm ET

Rachel had two MEN with her that night. If she truly feared for her life, she could easily have run to them for protection. Instead, she ran toward Sarah and stabbed her to death - just as she'd been vowing to do for months. This was not self defense. It was murder.


wharris   July 26th, 2010 3:09 pm ET

Rachel Wade showed intent to do body harm by confronting the victim
Sarah Ludemann with a weapon . Ms. Wade could have avoided this situation by staying home . If the victim (Sarah ) had showed up at Ms. Wade home and attack Rachel , then it would be self defence.


Elizabeth   July 26th, 2010 3:38 pm ET

I feel for both sides of this tragedy. As a Mother myself, I cannot see how you can wish harm upon a young girl who was obviously sick. As a parent you wish that you do the best job you can to teach good to your child. What kind of example are you sending if all you have to say is you murdered my child, so your family needs to suffer too. You have pain, but you also have no heart. You are not the first or will be the last Mother to loose your child. And my heart gose out to you, but God teaches that forgiveness is the best therapy. That boy should be made to pay for some of the consecuensis, he is after all the one person who made them go threw this tragedy.


Rochelle   July 26th, 2010 3:42 pm ET

Bad decision! I think and hope that this verdict will be overturned. The simple fact that Rachel left her home and went to a friend's meant that she was trying to avoid confrontation. She took a knife because she knew that there were two, possibly three people coming after her. This was a clear cut, self defense case and she did what she had to do to defend herself. Maybe she should have called the police, but the reporters on In Sessions just commented on this "stack of police reports" that obviously did no good. If a person is bold enough to follow someone, approach them with friends in tow, get out of their vehicle and approach them, anything can happen. Sarah should have kept her butt at home.


ANITA   July 26th, 2010 3:53 pm ET

As for those Voice Mails:

I was once in a situation where my mother was being threatened by one of my brother's girlfriends. I became so angry that I called her and threatened her using foul language with the intent to back her off. My part of the conversation was heard by my husband's mother. She could not believe I could talk in such a manner; I could not either. However, I was desperate, angry and wanted this woman to leave my mother along. I can understand how Rachel could say all those things in the moment of anger. I can believe, she did not have the intent to carry out such threats. When she was on the stand, remembering how I felt during the above inferred conversation, I could relate and found her to be believeable.

As for the boyfriend: What did either of the two girls see in him?


ROBERT N   July 26th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

When I hear Rachel Wades' attorney say this is the way kids act these days, their from a different generation!
It is true that they are from a different generation raised by parents from a different generation!
Rachel is guilty of murder, she did it!!!
This whole case in a nutshell is "BAD PARENTING" on both sides!!
Why would these parents even let their daughters even date these two "DIRTBAGS" (Joshua and Javier), let alone having sexual relations with them! What were they thinking of! I guess they just didn't care or really didn't want to know what was going on in their daughters lives(just be nice and don't interfere)!


adajo   July 26th, 2010 4:13 pm ET

Why does everyone keep blaming the other 2 people in the car. there were 2 guys there that knew Rachel had a knife. Why didn't they take away the knife , confront the girls & tell them to leave or were they afraid of the girls too? Wasn't Janet 5ft tall, Rachel's intent was to stab her & they couldn't or wouldn't stop her. She stabbed her so hard she bent the knife, that sounds like anger not fear. How can we condon the murder of an 18 year old girl? She said that she feared Janet the most but didn't stab her. Joshua did treat them bad BUT girls need to know that no guy can treat you bad unless you allow it. I do feel bad for Rachel & especially her parents but she needs to know you do the crime ,you do the time. Rachel's parents can visit her in prison, Sarah is gone forever.


Tammy   July 26th, 2010 4:13 pm ET

I think jury got it wrong! Rachel is guilty of taking a life but should have gotton manslaughter instead.


Alexcia   July 26th, 2010 4:24 pm ET

I think that Rachel should have been found innocent. I completely understand what she had to go through. Even though both girls were agrueing and sending the texts and leaving the voicemails that were obscene that is a cultural thing for our young children in America today. It is simply how we talk. Even the confrontations they had never ended in them fighting. I think it was a freak accident and that even thought Rachel was antigonizing Sara that day it was Sara who began the fight. It was Sara who had went looking for Rachel. Sara's friend can say all she wanted to that she did not know that Sara was searching for Rachel... I think it was an all out lie because just minutes later Sara came to a screeching halt to confront Sara. Sara was taller, bigger and she had help. I think that Janet lied also. Sara should have never stalked Rachel and drove up to confront her period especially at someone elses house that is plan disrespectful.

Also, Since there was a guilty verdict I think that they should charge Camacho with accessory to murder. He started this whole mess my leading the girls on knowing how females will react. If it were not for him cheating this would not have happend. Camacho could have stopped the fighting instead he egged it on. Young females need to understand that it is not the other womans fault that the male is cheating it is the mans fault and to take the issue up with that MAN not the other person. It is a self esteem issue that these young ladies have that they would allow a man to cheat on them instead of being strong enough to know they they are worth more and are deserving a real committed relationship not this friends with benefits crap. Parents need to step in and show these young ladies how much they are worth.


knowledge   July 26th, 2010 4:43 pm ET

gloria she can get less thn 20 if there a midigating circumstances n that is what they will be arguing on sept 3... life without wld be good but i c her getting 40 maybe 50 years


Lisa Piratzky   July 26th, 2010 5:45 pm ET

I honestly feel bad for both of these girls who have both now lost their life over a "man" who had no reguard for either one of them...every time either girl got mad at him for for messing around with the other he told them they needed to fight each other instead of him....he pushed these girls into the constant fighting and harassment to keep the heat off of him. As far as I'm concerned he's the main cause of all of this and wasn't worth their time let alone their lives. I think the 2nd degree conviction was too harsh, both girls showed up prepared to fight and Rachel was out numbered.


Nicole   July 26th, 2010 6:09 pm ET

Gloria, I know exactly what you mean. For some reason, I keep coming back to this story on here. I think I feel sorry all around in this particular case mainly because both of these girls were were so young and they both have thrown their lives away. I feel very strongly that Rachel did not intend to kill in this particular case...I mean she's never ever been in trouble before. I hope that the judge who sentences her will see that also. She looks sooo terrified...


Katie   July 26th, 2010 6:13 pm ET

I was a little shocked by this verdict as well. What a tragedy of lost young lives. The problem I see with this verdict is that Sarah had a part in her own death. She drove to confront Rachel, despite threats. Also, why did we not hear the reponses to Rachel's e-mails in court. I am sure these treats were not one sided. This alone shows that Rachel really did not have a fair trial.


Debbie   July 26th, 2010 6:39 pm ET

Her own words on those messages convicted her,Sarah had a reason for saving them,she must have truely felt threatened to have saved them for so long.(imo) I dont know if she deserves 20+ plus years I think manslaugther would have been the right charge,we don't know what led up to this confirtation.


Ms Ann   July 26th, 2010 6:43 pm ET

Justice is so blind in Florida and they can't seem to get a case right ,if its poured on them.What legal school are thos e judges and attorneys attending to represent people?Now,I am three times Rachel years and if three girls comeup on me and block my car,it will not be a court case.Rachel Wade got a bad deal and I am so sick of in session saying she had a knife,so what.When those girls attacked Rachel,you do what ever you got to do to make sure they will not repeat the act again.Its no way in a civilized country,you give a woman 2nd degree murder in less than three hours liberations.I am concerned about that jury and where were Rachel peers on the jury?Rachel Wade need probation for 5 years and to become a speaker for middle school and high school and even immature workers/college kids don't defend a "DOG' they comeback and bite you in the behind.This is real sad.They can get everything else,why they did not play Sarah's response,when Rachel was leaking anxiety to keep them away.Rachel Wade had no intentions of doing anything but giving Sarah an old fashion butt whipping.If anyone to blame is Ashley/Joshua.


Ms Ann   July 26th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

This verdict was so wrong and I just can't believe those people on that jury will have good luck on making a decison about a person in less than 3 hours.Please monitor those 6 juries because they will not have a good life with that verdict.Ashley/Camacho will end up together probably and they should be locked up for instigating this confrontation.Why they did not play Sarah's feedback with Rachael's responses.The entire case was lopsided and totally wrong.Florida should not be making a decison on anybody lives until they sit in a real classroom and be taught the law.This is so sad for our country that the legal system about the prosecutor 's career and not the facts.Sarah came to her with her posse and if you come to another person turf,its fair game with the outcome.In a heated moment we all say things harsh or I'll kill you boy if you slam that door again etc,its the communication pattern and not with malice.We all say i made a killing today or use foul language to get a person's attention but it cools off and its just your anxiety adrenaline and not a threat.


Joyce In The Am   July 26th, 2010 7:15 pm ET

Besides the voice mails

1. If your so afaid of a person and they are out looking for you, you stay home.

2. You don't trade antaganistic back and forth phone calls with your aggressor. You see it's there number on your phone, you ignore the call.

3. Wade must have carried a knife around with her all the time because Ludemann didn't know where Wade was that evening. Not until Ludemann ran into a friend did she find out and decided to go there.

4.Your so afaid and have been threatened by an aggressor, go into the house at the first sighting. You don't run and meet an aggressor unless you've got something for them.

5. Ludemann was the one stabbed TWICE and knife hidden.

GUILTY.


Fair is Fair   July 26th, 2010 7:55 pm ET

Both girls were in the wrong. They should have never let it get this far themselves. Each person is responsible for their own actions. Camacho should not have been playing the girls, but they "let him" and looks like he did it well. If anything, they should have left him and each other alone. Both girls decided to take it out on each other rather than him, no one made them continue seeing him. That is why I feel the punishment fits the crime. No one forced Rachel to stay at the house when the girls approached. She preceded with a weapon and did exactly what said she would do "stab her." I think they should make an example out of her. If not people with think they can just go out and kill anyone they have a disagreement with and scream self defense.


whitney   July 26th, 2010 8:21 pm ET

yes they can give her a lesser sentence but the woman on tv says that its not likely. I hope her lawyer gets her an apeal.She definately was defending herself and should of at the most been charged with manslaughter. for you people who just think that racheal is a cold blooded killer didi you listen to all the police reports against sarah from rachel.She and her friends rammed into her friends car while they were in it. they were looking for her if she wanted to kill her wouldnt she look for her to do it or hide at a friends house.They almost rammed her car again and if sarah and janet and jalicia saw the knife why didnt anyone say to get back in the car and go. I mean if i pulled up to a house with a friend and the girl she wanted to fight walked up with a knife i would say come on lets go.Not ONE out of THREE of them said we should leave.HOW DUMB


Connie   July 26th, 2010 8:46 pm ET

I feel bad for both families they both have a loss. But i don't agree with the verdict she should of gotton self defense or maybe man slaughter but not 2nd degree murder


emily jones, natchez, ms   July 26th, 2010 11:41 pm ET

i feel as though the jury and the judge had already made their decission, and i feel as though it really sucks and they need a new judge and a new jury because i feel as though it was so unfair to rachel, and her family i hope they appeal in front of the supreme court.


Leeann   July 26th, 2010 11:42 pm ET

She should have been found guilty because she was guilty. I feel sorry for her but then I think wonder if it was one of my love ones and someone stabbed them just because they hit them couple of times. It is such a shame to see a life wasted and the familys heart broken. The boyfriend is a piece of crap but he did nothing illegal.

The girls must not have been brought up very well to let a man treat them like the way this guy was treating them. I have a daughter and no way would she fight over a man first time he ever cheated she would have been done with him.


emily jones, natchez, ms   July 26th, 2010 11:47 pm ET

Rachel keep your head up we are praying for you and your family....and also sarah's family :( , but joshua, jasmine, ashley and the other party should not be set free aslo. :p


nita   July 27th, 2010 12:05 am ET

Finally, an intelligent, rational, and deep thinking jury out of Florida!!!!!!! This jury got it right. I am so glad they were not swayed by fake tears, plunging necklines, and make-up that softened this girl's look.

My goodness, we send young men and women off to war at 18 and we fully expect them to make good decisions when fighting and expect them to take care of themselves. If that is true, why can't a grown 20 year old woman not make good decisions concerning her personal life. From her experiences she had had enough practice being in trouble to figure out a few things and conduct herself accordingly.

True three girls showed up-but Rachel had four on her side. She had Javier, a guy who was a friend of Javier, a knife, taken from Applebee's, and herself. I don't think she was afraid...not one bit. If she was afraid she would have been inside the house with the doors locked and all windows closed as she made a phone call to the police.

What's deep in the well will come out in the bucket. Those mean and angry phone messages put the final nail in the coffin for her. She did what she said she was going to do. She did what she wanted to do. She murdered Sarah. Then, she was finished.


judy bissell   July 27th, 2010 8:35 am ET

its not right but i have heard alot of kids talk like this . but its not right what she did . she should have stayed in the house and called police. and she wouldnt be spending her life in jail . what a awful shame .


Concerned Mom   July 27th, 2010 8:39 am ET

If you are found guilty ~~~ serve your time... She killed an innocent person. The law is the law. She should have thought about this, before she killed an innocent person. Death penalty I say for this girl. She should remember to "think before you act"......


PJ   July 27th, 2010 9:59 am ET

Where are the parents when all this is going on? Rachel gets in a fist fight with her own MOTHER and yet she still has a cell phone and car, I'm sure funded by her parents. This Camacho clown thinks he is something sporting a gun, what a joke and a shame two young women bought into this. Bottom line.... a fist fight should be left as that... Rachal chose to elevate it. See you in 20. Condolences to Both sets of parents. Camacho... grow up and be a contributing member of society , other than reproducing.


Jeanette   July 27th, 2010 12:15 pm ET

Remember: The victim went to Racheal. Racheal deserves to go to jail, but not for the rest of her life. This Sarah girl could of just walked away as well.


BJ   July 27th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

Both these girls had serious problems. Why would you fight and risk your life over a guy who does not care the least about you. They both knew he was seeing them and another girl with a kid. She was so retarded to fight a girl knowing she had a knife over a guy who was screwing both of them. Sad&Funny that they had to go through all this and he is laughing and living his life. Some people really have to grow up sooner or later


adajo   July 27th, 2010 12:37 pm ET

Those of you wondering why the deffence didn't put character witnesses on fhe stand, friends & fellow employees, after being questioned about Sarah's behavior, they would also be questioned about Rachel's behavior.They apparently couldn't take the risk. Look at the 2 witnesses that took the stand, Javiar & joshua.


Connievc10   July 27th, 2010 12:43 pm ET

I'm shocked that Rachel Wade was found guilty of second degree murder. What about the fact that Sarah Ludemann brought the fight right to Rachel's location, as Rachel feared she would do?


Debi57   July 27th, 2010 12:50 pm ET

There is a lot of things in this trial thats not adding up to me.. Im wondering if maybe the father is pimping his son out. Its strange that he didnt have the gas to take him to school but had enough to take his wife to work and take his son to hospital..... NOT ADDING UP !! SHAME ON DAD. Debi from ar


Taylor   July 27th, 2010 1:15 pm ET

I think that it was self defense. Girls talk crap to each other in hopes of making the other afraid enough to back off. This wasn't a fair fight to begin with because it was 3 against 1. I can understand why she had a weapon because of the odds. As far as her throwing the knife on the roof i understand that too because another girl came at her and could have grabbed the knife from Rachel to stab her. Rachel was defending herself and didn't think that she would harm Sarah as badly as she did. I figure she knew that she could hurt her, maybe in the leg or arm, but not in the heart. She did put herself in this situation by staying with that guy whom she knew was messing with other girls, so in that way it was her fault it all happened. Yet, Sarah and her friends were the ones who hunted Rachel down. Self defense.


markusb   July 27th, 2010 1:30 pm ET

Let's call it what it really is: an immature LUST triangle. There was no "love" involved with these three.


helen   July 27th, 2010 2:42 pm ET

This is a case is a sad case of very poor parenting. I think these girls were also victims of their parents. Today in days parents let their kids do what they want. The law is also responsible because if parents try to discipline their kids they get in trouble with the law. This is such a mess. Both of these girls had very low self-esteem. To be involved with such a looser like Camacho. He took advantage of these girls and he destroyed them. I think he should be held responsible. I hope that someday the law will catch up with him. He lied in the witness stand like crazy. I am sure he put them up against each other. I feel so sorry for the young lady that is having his baby. Another innocent victim in Camacho hands so he can destroy. Both families have lost their daughters. I hope that this young lady Rachel while in jail goes to school and gets an education. It’s sad to see how young people with bright future destroy themselves. I think they should have found her guilty of a lesser charge.


Stacy   July 27th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

I dont think she should haved been covicted of 2nd degree murder> Not to mention i feel like Camacho should be charged with something cause in my opinion he is just as much to blame as Wade if not more so.


Stacy   July 27th, 2010 3:03 pm ET

I don't think she should have been convicted of 2nd degree murder. I also feel like Camacho should be charged and convicted of something. I feel like he is or as more so as guilty as she is in this whole mess.


Tricia   July 27th, 2010 6:18 pm ET

This Camacho guy was grinning from ear to ear, probably bragging to his friends, he had "two stupid little white girls," fighting over him. I'm sure it made him feel like the head bull in the pasture. Now, one girl is dead, the others life is ruined, because of this little pip squeak. To top it off, I am willing to bet, he had two other girls waiting in the wings.


Rico   July 27th, 2010 10:55 pm ET

Sad all the way around. Tough girls gone wrong, One dead, one looking at most of her adult years in prison, two families tortured the rest of their lives, all because of some player. These poor families will suffer because of all these stupid girls and their loser romeo.


Misty   July 28th, 2010 12:18 am ET

This is a sad injustice to everyone involved. I have been a school teacher for the past 14 years. As I set back and watched the events that took place that fatal night, I keep thinking about these girls parents. It was apparent that both of these girls had little to none guidance or supervision. These parents should be prosecuted. These two girls lacked the love and guidance that they needed! Rachel should never have been convicted for this crime, when 3 young ladies came to attack her. The messages that she left MONTHS earlier had nothing to do with that night. They came to confront her. Janet and her brother are both pieces of trash. I was sickened to see that she was pregnant again with her 5th child. Who needs to be in jail??? What about these poor children? Rachel, I am praying for you!


Alexis   July 28th, 2010 12:37 pm ET

I could not believe it when I read the verdict. Rachel should have to be made accountable for her actions but not for 20 1/2 years. Sarah was the one who was on the hunt for Rachel that night not the other way around. This was caused by both the decisions of Rachel AND Sarah. Sarah didn't have to hunt Rachel down and Rachel didn't have to bring or use the knife and now one girl has lost her life and the other will spend the rest of hers if prison. Very sorry for both families.


Vi S   July 28th, 2010 1:21 pm ET

Justice is blind, this young lady should be held responsible for her actions, however, the decease was just as much responsible for her actions. punishment should be no more then 5 years.


Debbi   July 28th, 2010 1:59 pm ET

So sad!! The comments concerning how rough young girls are with each other is true and a very sad commentary on how our society has become. I feel for the families and the deceased young women. I feel badly for Rachel also. however, why did she not go inside with her male friends for protection. Bottom line.


bill   July 28th, 2010 2:22 pm ET

OK,, I have permit to carry a gun for my protection!!!!! what would happen to me if I used it to protect myself when 3 other people attack me??? What ever happened to self defense???? I think she got a raw deal in my opinion. What would you people do? just take the beating??


John Lennon   July 28th, 2010 6:08 pm ET

Some say all they think about is the defendant but they never retrieved Sarahs messages to Rachel. I know Rachel deleted them from her phone but the phone company still has them. Rachel didn`t just carry that knife just for the hell of it. Someone had to threaten her till she was scared to death. The jury didn`t consider that Rachel was being threatened by Sarah and her friends. Since Rachel carried a knife, she was the only bad person in the jury`s eyes. THAT`S WRONG!!!!!!


ladyofargonne   July 28th, 2010 9:07 pm ET

Two girls lose their lives over some loser who will go right out and do it again to two other girls.


Kelly   July 29th, 2010 2:09 pm ET

If you watch the trail you would have seen the witness ( one of the two guys that was at the "safe house" who was not friends with rachel or sarah) testifed that that the three girls did not get out and beat up Rachel as Rachel and the other guy at the said states. He said that rachel stabbed, they struggled rachel and walked away. One of the other girls then hit Rachel after the stabbing. Which leads me to believe that Rachel lied about the events.


Andrea G.   July 29th, 2010 10:33 pm ET

I disagree with this situation nobody had to be stab or killed.The two girls didnt have to fight about the guy. And this happens all the time in high school. All they had to do was work it out and think about it not kill to solve.Because murder and suicide well be never the answear in life.


Gerard Russo   July 30th, 2010 8:03 pm ET

This was a tragedy in which the real person whom caused this whole thing to happen is still free and that is Comacho. He knew that he was causing emotional upheavel between these two women but he never stopped because of his EGO. In my opinion he should be held accountable somewhat for what happened, now there's a young woman dead and another woman in jail for a great portion of her life only because he had to think he was the MAN! In my opinion this man should suffer everyday of his life for causing this injustice. As well as any other man or woman that knowingly causes this type of hatred to continue.


Sandy   July 30th, 2010 9:58 pm ET

I can't believe they found her guilty of the more serious charge! Yes, she is guilty of stabbing the girl, but it was to protect herself. I do believe she should get jail time, but no more than a year. She is suffering enough. Prison will just make her more hardened. She could have served a short amount of time and then went and made something of herself. The judge could order her to speak at schools ect..... The attorneys did a poor job at picking out the jurors!!!!


Amelia   August 6th, 2010 1:30 pm ET

I'm glad she was found guilty because all of this could have been avoided by having sense to know that the boy(he's no man in my eyes when acting like this)was playing them..And let people talk, they are just words. Totally different when you have been touched then yes defend yourself..I wish that it was some way that the boy should have shared some responsibility in what happened to Sarah...I also hope she gets a long sentence..Make here think twice about fighting over a meaningless boy..There plenty out there and damn he's no all that good looking..


John   August 10th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

This was a terrible thing for both sides.
Here is my issue with the defense representation.
The ME said that the knife went in about 2.5 inches. Looking at the knife, it appears that the blade was 4 to 5 inches long.
I think if I really wanted to hurt Sarah with that knife I would have put it in all the way! She did not do that. I think that the stabbing occured as self defense and if not that accidentally.
Clearly, she should not have had the knife in the first place. I think the attitudes and upbringing of these too should be under scrutiny!


Charlie   August 18th, 2010 5:41 pm ET

I am sorry for the death of Sarah and the great lost to her family, but the truth that when three people come at you to do bodily harm to you, than you have the right to protect yourself. The jury was wrong in this case .


Keke   August 20th, 2010 3:15 pm ET

I am a mother of two daughters who are now grown but when they were teenagers they experienced this kind of situation. I had to deal with children who had no fear of an adult neither the law when coming up on my property. Sarah went looking for trouble. She was not going to talk. She placed herself in that situation and it cost her death.
In the heat of the moment ,you do not think about the consequences.
It cost Rachel Wade. It cost her twenty some years of prison.
This boy is like many who are playing games. It is a shame that his game of using his charm for sex brought death.
I hope he has learned his lesson but I am pretty sure that he has already found other women to prey upon.


Jap   August 30th, 2010 1:50 pm ET

So sorry for her,but she got played and just was not thinking.She could of handle the situation better.It's relocate!


stuart   September 3rd, 2010 3:22 pm ET

after watching presentation by the defense attorney-he also has been fooled by a non remorseful girl. she must pay for her crime & by not trying to rehabilitate young people. she should never be allowed back in society again; just like the girl she killed will never be back in society again!!!



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