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Shame jury won't hear that Rachel has been a problem child for a LONG TIME!! Got caught at 14 having sex in school lot with 19 yo-he went to jail!! Time for Rachel to go to jail!!! And Rachel was NOT alone she was with Javier(who is now her fiance) an Dustin Grimes not self defense!!!!

The defendant says she stabbed the victim in self defense but she deleted the voicemails so she has no proof of harassment. Who's to say that those (deleted) voicemails weren't telling the defendant to leave her alone and NOT threatening her? The language and threats on the victim's answering machine(?) speaks volumes as to the defendant's state of mind and intent.

This is a tragic incident, and I do not believe Rachel Wade planned on killing Sarah Ludemann, but at the moment, didn't care if she did. However if you watch Rachel when Joshua Camacho is about to enter the court she starts rubbing her lips together as to spread gloss or lip stick, she adjusts her clothing, gets in a better situation. She is still infatuated with this man! If Sarah would not have died and Rachel were to have served time and been released and a situation similiar to this were to present again,.. I believe Rachel would stab Sarah again for Joshua Comacho... Sarah didn't bring a knife, they both had friends with them.. someone had the upper hand and it was not Sarah. Rachel needs to pay. If she is acquitted, you better believe she will brag. She isn't as innocent as the defense wants us to believe....

I know this Camacho family and anyone who believes Janet or Joshua is just as crazy as their entire family.

Its crazy how when things in life go wrong and you dont think about what you did until you have done it. Im sorry that this you lady did have friend that would help her in a way to tell her its just not worth it. Sept. of 2009 my kids mom stabbed me and thank god it did get that bad but it could have. So she need to pay for what she done.

I know teens, I was one and I have (4) children who were teens. I know how emotions dictate actions. This situation had been brewing for many months, accelerated by Joshua. I can sympathize with the friends and family of Sarah, but I feel Rachel should not serve life in prison. She should serve 5-6 yrs as a youthful offender. I do not feel Rachel is a danger to society.

Why wasn't Wade charged with 1st degree murder? She clearly threatened to kill Ludemann on the voicemail message, then she brought a knife to the fight. Isn't that premeditation? It appears as if she's going to get off easy for killing Ludemann in cold blood.

Why Ludemann went near this sicko after she threatened to kill her is a complete mystery. I think it's obvious based on some of the reports that came out about Wade that she has serious psychological problems including a fatal attraction/sick jealousy type of personality disorder. It really is a shame that Ludemann didn't realize how dangerous Wade was sooner. She could have saved herself by avoiding Wade at all costs. Unfortunately, both of these girls let their anger get so out of control that neither of them was thinking rationally. This is just one another reason why I DON'T want a Facebook account!

I strongly believe that although there are some discrepencies within the different parties that are testifying that Rachel Wade must be held accountable for her actions. Also, although Joshua Camacho was in the middle of all of the drama he is not legally responsible for Ms. Wade committing the act. When Wade grabbed the knife she knew that she was going to use and it and with her natural common sense (there is a question of whether she used common sense when dealing with Joshua Camacho) she should have known what the possibilities are when you stab someone. There are causes and effects to everything that you do. This case just goes to show that parents need to school thier young daughters about boys. A normal smart girl with common sense would say "hey this one boy isnt worth fighting for and there are more boys that are out there". Joshua Camacho should not have that much power over either of the girls that they would want to harm each other for him. Also the voice mails prove that Wade wanted to harm Ludeman. She probably didnt intend to kill her but she intended to do some great bodily harm to her. I was a teen once so I know the anger a teen can have when you feel that someone is trying to take away something that you love. Bottom line is that Wade intended to inflict bodily harm and she has to pay for her actions. Let this trial be a lesson to all young girls who think they need to fight over a man

i've watched many trials over the years on this channel; this truly is
the first one i see which did not call unnecessary witnesses,cause drama, plus has a remarkable intelligent, fair, judge....it has been the
trial in which speed, fairness, and the facts come forth. it's not full of
"paid experts", etc. but the actual facts, from the only ones that count.....the hands on witnesses, etc..... both sides have good, decent lawyers, who are not "showboats"....

I would ask Rachel-why are you wasting your time on a scum-bag like that? Please get help with your own self esteem!

This is really a troubling case, but I don't believe the tears. If she was so afraid and was tired of the drama when the van pulled up why didn't she leave or go in the house and call the police

WHY DID RACHEL goo the extra mile around the car to get to sarah because she was ready to et her have it.

It will be ashame if she gets off with saying it was self defense. If she knew that Sara had other people with her, than why didnt Rachel go there with other people. Instead she grabbed a knife knowing that she was going to use it. Why is it not considered premeditated? Justice needs to be served.... she needs to do time for what she did.

Personally, I think she should have been charged with first degree murder. Rachel went pre armed with a knife to confront Sarah, who she (Rachel) had already threatened with death via cell phone, played in court. This was pre-meditated! Then she threw the knife away, and did not know she hurt anyone with it? Oh, please! Sarah is dead. Rachel needs to pay with the utmost the court will allow. And, please, with the crocodile tears – this is not remorse, this is tears of fear, knowing she is guilty and is going to prison, where she needs to go.

I think Rachel intended to intimidate Sarah. She probably wouldn't have cared if she hurt Sarah but I don't think she intended deadly harm. The fact that Sarah went looking for Rachel with 2 friends shows she was looking for a fight as well. Though I don't think Rachel is guilty of 2nd degree murder, I believe she is responsible for Sarah's death and deserves some punishment.

i would ask her why she didnt break it off with this loser . now this has cause alot of pain 4 everone . and probaly her going to jail 4 life what a shame. wasnt wort him thats 4 sure.

Shame that Joshua is not being charged. The girls got caught up in his game. From my point of view he had alot to do with it and not once tried to stop it.

i dont belive it was self defence the girl knew what she was going to do. because she carried out with her threat of murder. she did'nt have a knife for nothing. she needs to do life. she took a life no mater what cercumstances. she could have made better choices for herself.

dont know why she stayed knowing they were going to fight and why fight over a loser like camacho. he just a player. seems like she also had alot of prombles earlier in her life . and she could have went in the house and stayed until they left . i think she knew right from wrong . i think she wanted to fight . to show player camacho she cared 4 him which is dumb.

What is going to happen to this Camacho kid? He is the root of the whole thing. He actually enjoyed what he was doing. Talk about being a danger to society! So he gets sent to live in New York. You don't think he will just do this all over, again, because he can? His mentality is like throwing a lit stick of dynamite into a crowd, someone gets killed, and he walks? I certainly hope not! He needs to be held responsible, too, though I don't know how they would do that.

I would like to know why there was not one person in this whole mess to step in and defuse the situation. Did everyone think it was a big joke?

If she was so afraid of this girl why did she continue to make nasty phone calls to her? As far as i'm concerned she instigated this and should pay for what she did.

I think camacho should be punished. What is it teaching our young men ,that they can have fun, treat young women like trash and walk away to move on to another one. There should be something done, not only in society, but parents as well need to teach our children morals.

In all their prior confrontations, there was no weapons involved – why now; because she intended to do bodily harm. She is guilty. Also they keep mentioning there were 3 girls and only Rachel to face them. Not true. There was Rachel and two boys there – 3 against 3.

Rachel said she was just swinging her arms with the knife but she didnt know who she was stabbing, yet it just happened to be Sara, the girl who she had been swearing on her life she would kill. No, Rachel was just defending herself, yeah right.

With all that was reveled in the saved messages, why would Sarah go to confront Rachel....That really concerns me..
Sarah must not have been to afraid of Rachel, she is the one who was the aggressor. I think Sarah brought hands to a knife fight, she also brought back up.....

I think this should be manslaughter..................voluntary.......

I believe Rachel's actions on the witness stand along with her testimony spoke very loudly with the jurors! Its obvious she was scared for her life and she did not have time to make any rational decisions when, in just a matter of seconds, the confrontation had begun and then it was over! I think the jury will acquit Rachel on all charges!
henry – Ft. Payne, Al

Bottom line in this case is that Rachael had a knife at the scene of the crime. Although both girls knew they would fight. Sarah didn't know weapons would be involved. Sarah went looking for a catfight and Rachel (pre-meditated) went to cause serious harm. That is the difference in this case. So, Racheal should get a heavy sentence. It takes a bad person to have a thought of doing bodily harm to someone else, but an evil person to carry it through.

my thang is why did sarah go over to where rachel was at. she was going to fight and she got the short end of the stick. people don't fight anymore they kill. u gotta think before u act!

I would like to know why did they not get phone records and computer records to show all these text messages and e-mails alledgely took place???
henry – Al.

I would love to ask her if she has had time to realize that she has thrown her life away over a boy that obviously didn't care for her.

Rachel Wade is guilty of killing Sarah Ludemann Joshua Camacho is guilty of being the the reason Sarah ludemann was killed in the first place

I am pretty sure if I stabbed someone in self defense, I would know it with every fiber of my being AS I defended myself, yet this defendant claims not to know it until she saw blood or someone else pointed it out? GUILTY!

I'd ask Rachel why she didn't call the police before leaving her house out of fear? Why not report that Sarah may have been on her way, or stay home, and call the police if she showed up? They'd involved the police in other instances, why not this time?

why did Rachel go out of her house and confront thease girls. lock your doors and call the police....

1st: Sarah went looking for Rachel; 2nd when they say Sarah didn't have a weapon, yes she did, two of her girlfriends; 3rd if you think for one moment that Sarah wasn't a bully, never sent threatning emails etc. you must live in a glass house. Young girls are the most viscious of all and they fight dirty. Rachel had every right to defend herself!! Sarah should had stayed home with her 2 buddies!!!

This was as fight, those girls came to where Rachel was at to have a confrontation. This is clearly self defense, they came at here. I will be sick if they take the girl's life away because of this.

if you look on both sides of the wall,you,ll see two things,1herside,and 2 theotherside,both have a bad ending,but rachel,will live free are not,sarah doesnt have any optsions,we all make bad dessions,and we all have made mistakes,ask urself what would you really do?rachel,what will you do after this?its never over,and how could you ever forget?may god bless the love ones of sarrah,sfamily,and friends,let this be alession to all,cause were all 1 step away from a bad decession,jail,and death,live and learn,love & peace, if we could turn back the hands of time??????/

I think this is just a huge mess that could have been prevented. I do not think that Rachel ment to kill the girl. I think it was self defense. I hope that she gets off or at least with a lesser charge.

SELF DEFENSE!
The 3 goons went after RACHEL.
One goon is stabbed.

Prior to this....Sarah stalked Rachel...continuously harassing her.

Did Rachel go to Sarah...or did Sarah go {with other goons} to Applebee's to agitate Rachel?
Who followed who to Taco Bell and tried initiating a fight?
Who went looking for whom on April 14/15th?

Too bad a young woman died, but she asked for it.

Being bout the same age and being in a situation similar, that almost ended up the same way i have stood in Rachel's shoes. The emotions and threats build up such a cloud in your judgment. That when you hit the confrontation your reaction is purely instinct. I believe she had no intent on murder, but when it gets out of hand you react and it goes to far. It would be a shame to see her do life. She is young and has a real chance of turning her life around. She reacted with clouded judgment and deserves a sec chance.

I wonder why if Rachel was so afraid and the girls were OUTSIDE why did she not call the police as opposed to leaving the safety of her apartment and going outside where the girls were. Doesn't make sense.

So...we don't hear any threats Sarah made against Rachel because she deleted the voicemails; therefore, we are left to take the word of a women who makes herself seem like a monster (in the voicemails she left Sarah.)

I think we will hear a Guilty Verdict.

I feel while unfortunate as it is it's definately 2nd degree murder. Rachel while very sorry doesn not get a free pass. As a military member even in a war zone I cannot shoot an unarmed enemy even if I know they recently had a gun, I hope she doesn't get life, but she should go away for a while. I agree with Carrissa hall as well, its wierd the way she primped for Joshua.

Its a teenage mentality, and no teenager wants to deal with talking to cops. You think you can handle the situation with out there help. Also you don't want them to think your scared. So scared or not your a teenager with adrenalin pumping emotion high your going to step up and confront them instead of hiding in a home and calling police.

I know Rachel and she is a good girl, just made a bad call. I was in high school classes with her. She also was my neighbor at the appartment. I feel so bad that all this had to happen. She is not a cold blooded killler, she really is a good person.

If Rachel was afraid, why did she proceed in Sarah's direction. According to the testimony and the evidence, Rachel met Sarah in the door of Sarah's van. Blood was found only on the inside of the van door, no testimony indicated that blood was found on the street in front of the van. Rachel said she met Sarah in front of her van, in the street. Is Rachel lying or confused as to where the altercation took place. I believe Rachel when she said she did not intent to kill Sarah but that is all I believe.
Alice W.

My son and I think rachel is GUILTY OF PREMEDITATED MURDER and should be held accountable because she took a knife from her home, put it in her purse, and drove to javiers house to show it off, act tuff and finish what she started. She cries croc tears. It is SICK.

Not an accident, was a deliberate murder...

As a mother of grown childrens.I have a question where was the parents of these young girls? I know for a fact that teenagers and young adults could be difficult and at times they are very hard to control, but we as parents have a responsability to try to the best of our ability to keep tracks on them,I use to listen to my childrens telepones calls, check their rooms whatever I had to do ,yes I did it!! at the time they hated my guts but today they thank me, and now we seat together and have goods laugh about it.

I went to school with both girls, sara L was a very nice and laid back girl, no matter what it didnt need to end this way. Jus for that Wade should recieve some sort of punishment.

I think we will hear a Guitly verdict, not because she is guilty, but becasue the system is set up this way! the State has the last word. The state has unlimited funds to fight it. and the state can never be sued for false accusations, so big deal we find out in 10 years she was innocent, it happens every day, they could not care less!!

I do feel that Rachel is remorseful. I believe when she made the phone threats it was clearly out of anger at that moment. Do I believe she really thought she would actually be faced with murder? No. It's a tragedy for both families. It's so sad that at such young ages one life is lost and another has committed a murder over someone who didn't give a darn about neither one of them. But when it's all said and done the family of the murdered victim deserves justice. I once sat in court as a victim of crime because my daughter was murdered. Rachel deserves to do the time for the crime. Sarah cannot defend herself. Regardless of the fact that Sarah may have started the fight or not but she ended up with a blade in her heart. Think about Sarah's family and how they must be feeling. The family deserves justice.

If Rachel was so scared of Sarah why would she not have gone to the police, her parents, why wouldnt she have filed a restraining order pressed charges? Sounds to me like Rachel engaged in the continuous back and forth with Sarah and now she actually wants people to believe she had no intention with the knife... sounds to me like she is grasping for straws making up the story of self defense so she doesnt go to jail. If she were really that scared of Sarah dont you think her parents wouldve known something about what was going on? When Rachel said she didnt know Sarah to hate her then why would she leave such graphic voice mails and threats. I dont understand when Rachel keeps going back to Sarah harassing her why wouldnt she call the police. And when Rachel saw Sarah why wouldnt she run inside and lock the door and call the police makes no sense and her male friends just sat and watched everything go down... Very sad that a person had to lose her life over something so ridiculous and the other wants to make it seem as if she was so scared for her life and yet did nothing to show she was...

I felt like the state's cross examination of Rachel helped the defense and not the prosecution.

Rachel wins, and Rachel wins at all costs. It is really too bad her parents were not there, in mind and spirit, to help her with her emotional feelings of young love. Yes, many of us had been on the emotional roller coaster over one boy or another, but we did not settle the score with a knife! How many times have we been told to "get a grip", "grow up", "you'll get over it", or some such thing. Rachel was abandoned by the people who should have helped her. She turned to her animal instincts to conquor her love. Perhaps a few, if not many, years in prison will enable her to get the psychological counselling she needs. She can't be free. She has a lot to learn, even if it is the hard way. I await the jury's recommendation. I am sure it will be the right one, even though I may or may not agree with it.

"I think she intended on hurting Sara, but not killing her. I think Rachel did know she was going to fight Sarah figuring she was bigger than her, she would bring a weapon such as a Knife to hurt her, But not kill her."

i don't believe this was an intentional ploy to murder. She bereated and was bereated for many months that caused the build up of ill will. Rachael never went out and hunted down Sarah, but she did prepare herself in the event that she was the hunted. This is not a true case of murder in the second degree, and I would like to see some responsibilitly given to Josh which has created this whole saga of events. I believe that Rachael was pushed mentally to her limit, and feared that she would be physically hurt by Sarah and her friends and wanted to show that she was not afraid and bad came out of it. It could have gone the other way and it could be a trial for the murdered victim being Rachael.This was not a planned arrangement and should not be treated as a vicious murder, but as self defense in a fight between two women and no winners.

I would ask Rachel if she had low self-esteem during the time she was dating Joshua.

I cant figure out why this is not 1st degree murder. She said she was going to come over and murder her and she did!

I believe Rachel's version of the events and feel she should be found NOT guilty. The one big question I have, is why was a 28 year old woman driving around with a teenager as they HUNTED for Rachel, saying "I have your back!" to Sarah? I also feel the pros witnesses lied about everything. 3 against 1 little girl, gimme a break, Rachel did the right thing to protect herself

These girls continuously harrassed Rachel at home, at work and outside. What was she to do? She called the police several times but that didn't stop this relentless juvenile harrassment. There should be stricter laws against bullying by groups of teens before a tragedy such as this occurs. This is the reason I feel Rachel should be exonerated. Yes, it is a tragedy for all but it was a tragedy that could have been avoided with proper interventionfrom more level-headed adults!

The entire situation is very sad and alarming – however, given that the defendent was only 19 at the time of the incident I believe she had no intention of actually killing anyone and in fact as she stated was only attempting to scare off the girls who searched her out and attempted to hurt her; I believe she really did feel her life was in jeopardy. Unfortunately, kids of this age have been known to kill themselves over breakups; infidelity; and bullying. It is an unfortunate time that we live in and as a mother of a 17 yr old I know that these kids do not have fully developed brains and do not have the ability to understand or fully comprehend their immediate actions. Forget the phone calls – it is all stance with no substance and they stopped > 6 months prior to the incident. I hope for aquittal or guilty of manslaughter with a lenient sentence. She has her whole life ahead of her and nothing good can come of a long or life sentence. One child is already dead, let's not throw this one under the bus.

the state of mind came up several times about rachel, but the state of mind of sarah never came into play. joshua camacho testified tnat they had been smoking marijuana and drinking vodka that same evening, i think rachel should be freed considering these circumstances

I think this whole situation is just very very sad! I am a woman who comes from a wild childhood and I was considered the "bully". I regret any decisions I made that were poor back then. When you are a young girl it takes a long time to try to "find yourself" Boys are number one priority in school years and can make a complete sane person go nuts. I dont think Rachel had any intentions to kill Sara. It was an act that will stick with her the rest of her life and repeat over and over in her head. I am sure she would take that day back if at all possible. She should not have to serve her life behind bars but does need to pay some consequences. My heart goes out to anybody involved in this!

I think this trial should not end with her going to prison. she should be charged with man. and do 5 to 15. josh and Ashely should be charged with accessory to murder. they should each do atleast 2yrs

I think that the judge clearly believes it was second degree murder, if he really believed that it was self defense he would have not responded so fast during the defense trying to get out of it yesterday, it is a shame that the jury never gets to know about that part. Why are there no mothers on the jury, no women at all right?... She is definetly guilty, I have been abused for years with broken back from it and I never killed to defend myself and I have guns in my home, Locked up of course but still. She had a choice to get in her car she was right there when the van came around the corner, she chose not too plain in simple. GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY. And it sounds like they could have got her for 1st degree because if they go by the voicemails it was premeditated. ..

Oh and what the hell does this guy have at all, I dont see a single thing. NOTHING!

Ok, Rachel and Javier are not in a relationship now nor were they when this happened.
As far as self defense and is she guilty of killing Sarah?...Yes she is guilty. I think she was ready for a fight as well as Sarah was. When it comes down to actually intending on killing Sarah, who knows if she intended that before the fight, but the fact is that she did. Being stabbed in the heart, and being stabbed twice...that doesn't seem like "flapping your arms around", you think Sarah and Rachel would have other minor cuts from that.
The other people that were involved all had a role in this, but Rachel is the one responsible for the murder of Sarah. If the jury really knew who Rachel was, they would have an easier job deliberating. She is not innocent by any means and should be punnished, I just don't think for life...

Rachel felt safe confronting Sarah, because Joshua was there. We can all feel brave and fearless on a phone and make threats. It was a crime of passion, over a scumbag.

I believe Rachel should be found not guilty. I believe she was afraid because sarah kept asking her where she was and she did not tell her. Ms Lovelady was the one who told her where she was. I don't believe a person should be convicted just to set an example for other people.

Sarah was not innocent in this situation. She was out driving around with her buddies looking for a fight. I think that both Sarah and her friends saw the knife in Racheal's hand and thought they could still beat her. However out of fear Racheal was so scared she went "wild" and stab someone and that person happen to be Sarah. I don't think she aimed the knife at Sarah, the knife just landed in her. Yes, now we can all seat back and say what Sarah and Racheal should have done, but it to late for that now. Racheal's voice messages on Sarah's phone proves that in the heat of an emotional situation, people will say anything just to "win" that verbal fight. Which they have no intention of following thru on. Sadly this may cause Racheal to spend the rest of her life in prison. I hope Racheal is given probation instead of jail time.

I believe this was very tragic situation, where two girls were fighting over a boy and it ecliated out of control. I also believe that there is equal blame for both sides. As to the self defense question? I say it looks like self defense case to me. none of us knows exactly what we might do in a given situation until we are in it. Ms. Wade was scared and went to a friends house for safety. I believe Rachel had every right to defend herself ,considering the situation. My prayers go out to both families for this is truely a tragic situation

I think it was self defense.I was a teenager once. Girls can be very mean and cruel. If a boy is involved it is even worse. This Joshua should be charged also. You can tell when he was on the stand. He is a liar. He had a gun. The pictures tell a thousand words. I do not feel this should go unpunished. Those girls did bring this to the boiling point.

Been following the case and it's hard to really put yourself in anyones shoes. but Bottom line– someone should have called the cops. Young Girls being dramatic, irrational, & threatening is one thing, but if you take a self-defense plea & claim so truly FEARED FOR YOUR LIFE, then why didn't u call authorities? She sould have called the police! And Why didnt she "self-defend" herself against Janet when she was hitting her? it doesnt add up. And the last time I checked its not self-defense when you actually carry-out the method of murder (stabbing) you proclaim you will do in a horrible voicemail... Maybe she doesnt deserve life in prison being so young & directionless, but she needs to pay the consequence w/ jailtime for ending a human beings life on earth for being so carelessly violent.

I believe that Sarah was a much bigger girl and Rachel needed to defend herself from her. Rachel was truly in fear of that big girl and should be found inocent.

This case is tragic, the e-mails from Rachel were sent months prior to the death of Sarah. I, don't think they should've been allowed. The prosecutor has a voice like the sound of someone scratching on a chalkboard. That being said this case is very distubing. I, just hope she doesn't spend the rest of her life locked up due to the "LOSER", they were involved with. This wouldn't of happened if the girls would've drove on down the road and let their emotions cool down, unfortunately teens don't always think through. I, know because we all have been there. The difference with me my Mom would have given me a "Smack-Down".

I hope for not guilty. Your right Sarah don't have any of the message's from her point Not fair they should not have been allowed to use that in court without the other half. Rachel Is no monster.

if she went to javiars for proyection and to be safe why did she have a knife

In watching this I think of 2 things....lots of people will threaten someone else when they are fighting, many will even threaten to kill someone but 99% of the time its said in anger and is never followed up on......secondly even if you think she was truly threatening sarah and sarah knew she was being threatened, why would she purposely confront rachel? If someone had threatened me with my life I wouldnt go anywhere near that person let alone confront them.....and then not only did sarah confront her she brought 2 other friends with her....yes its sad that this girl was killed over some idiot that cant think or act like a real man should and that he dont know what a true relationship is and the right way to love and treat a woman.....maybe his face being plastered during this trial etc will let other girls know not to date this guy. I do feel bad for both girls cuz they got sucked in to this jerk....yes I do believe she was using self defense and I hope shes acquitted..... and dont forget she will live with the fact she killed someone the rest of her life.

goes to show watch what you say to people. Had Rachel not left those crazy voice mails she might have been saved. No man other then a child is worth losing your freedom over ever!!! live and learn!!!

I think Rachel was just was defending herself from all the treat, harrasment at her house and work place. It is unfortunate there is a tragedy but Rachel's intend as just to scare her but not to kill sarah. Rachel look sincere and very remorseful about the sad incident.

Not guilty , self defence.

I would have like to hear the Prosecute ask her, when you put the
knife into Sarah heart – it required GREAT FORCE!. To remove it
it would have the same force to remove it – going thru all the muscles
that would have penestrate before the knife entered her heart.

I won't to hear Guilty Verdict!

i think it was self defense. The guy should be charged with a crime.

First of all you do not have someone who can speak from the grave, and then we also have voice message of one person where I am sure their were voice message left by both person.

But my question is why would the decease save her threatening voice message and the person accused deleted her voice messages regarding this act.

I do believe this was a feud and Sarah might in a certain way had a hand in her own death but we got a girl who threatened her with her life, who carried out these threats and initially try to get away and and claim no part in this act.

I do not believe that Rachel should live her entire life in prison for basically getting involved in a deadly school boy crush but I do think she should spend at least 15 years so she actually realize that another person who is dead at her hand cannot plan her marriage and cannot plan to have children like Rachel plans to have.

I think Rachel was goaded into stabbing Sarah. Sarah had a lot of friends with her, and that Rachel felt she was going to be severely injured. Therefore I think the self defense motion should be allowed to set her free.

Its very very sad rachel was NOT scared of Sarah. She had a big brother, mother and father, police and male friends.there's no excuses here. Do the crime serve your time. It shouldent have taken jurors to long. My Q? Would b,do U think home boy will b there or with u in or out of jail? Stuck on stupit, bankrupy on dum.

Self Defense (Not Guilty) and if she is found guilty then the 2 goons as Terri calls them should be charged with accessory for going with Sarah looking for trouble.

First of all i feel it is a shame that these two young ladies life is over or even rude because of a player who wants his cake and eat it too. What makes me so made is this was over Joshua and he is living his life without the both of them. The other shame is he characterized them as friends with benefits how awful no respect and they should have let this loser go!!!!!! now for as the crime I feel Racheal is not guilty of killin Sarah. Sarah and her2 friends came to this young lady and started the confrontation and thats the wrong thing to do. Dont go lookin for touble u just might get the wrong things. I am sorry but if i was a juror my vote will be not guilty.

I have seen these scenarios hundreds of times as a principal. I don't think there was a "bully" in this case,because both girls were probably sending bad messages to each other, but that does not give one the right to kill the other!! This is insane!! I cannot believe the people who have commented that Sarah "asked for it." It is also not Joshua Camacho's fault. He only did what he did with the consent of BOTH girls. They KNEW what he was doing and both decided to continue seeing him and harass each other. Rachel needs to be punished for what she did, I don't buy the self-defense nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, she should have been tried and convicted of 1st degree murder. She knew exactly what she was doing.

It seems to me, this is a group of really hard core teens. All the crying
and such, does not fit the type of person she really is. To be it was
a rough crowd, probably drugs and what not. Not your going to sunday school types all sweet and innocent. I think she wanted to kill this girl and she did just that.
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What a waste of young life . I feel so sorry for Sarahs parents .They have to sit in court and go through this again. Rachel went there to kill Sarah and should pay the price. She should spend a lot if not all her life in prison.

I see problems on both sides but my gut feeling is that stupid boy & his stupid sister are liars and that sister was acting very badly. I think Rachael was trying to scare them away with the knife. She should get man slaughter for her behavior.

If I were on this jury I would be a hold out for not guilty. I think Sarah and Rachel were both equally responsible for the outcome. If there were a moral court, I would vote to convict the boyfriend of being the impetus for this horrible situation and give him life without girlfriends.

Rachel was found guilty. She received the correct sentence for her crime.

The Rachel Wade verdict will send this message. Do not defend yourself if attacked. If you cause someone to die, it will cost you a lifetime in prison. Take whatever they give you and hope that you make it thru. The idea that she brought a knife to a fistfight is ridiculous. When did 5 or 6 seconds allow the average person to make a determination as to what weapons the other people may have. If I was attacked by 2 or 3 people, I would immediately assume the worst case . She did not go to the fight. The fight came to her. I know a lot of people that carry knives with them as part of their everyday life, including many sportsmen and people in construction. In the right to carry states, they can carry guns. I guess if you are provoked or attacked, curl into a ball and pray for your life.

I watched this with interest because I had a teenage daughter who went through fights over boys. Rachel as at fault for some things but she was a kid who was scared. She was caught in this love triange and when the girls jumped out of the van and sarah attacked her Rachel nstinctly did what anyone in that situation would have done. She defended herself. Those girls went looking for a fight. Sarah should have seen that knife and backed off. She jumped on Rachel so fast she didn't have time to see the danger. I hope rachel gets acquitted. Comacho should be the one in jail. This guy played all those girls. I also heard that the girls and Comacho were smoking and drinking that day. Case closed.

She was charged with second degree murder, i think that she should have been charged with a lesser crime, i do believe that she was trying to get away from this situation but they came looking for her. We didnt get to hear any conversations that sarah had with her, there were not facebook comments or myspace comments and i am sure she said the same things to her. I wander how many years she will serve. Just a sad story.

Joshua Camacho was NOT on trial. He did not murder anyone. There is NO crime for being young and having multiple girlfriends... NOT WIVES...the proper person received the guilty verdict. Sarah should not have died at the hands of Rachel Wade and her weapon of choice. I wish the Ludemann family peace. I hope the Camacho's can go on with life harmoniously. I hope the Wades will support Rachel in prison–write letters, provide commissary, offer spiritual guidance.

i fell bad for them girl they fight over that dog and now one is dead and the next one is in jail for life and he is free an 14 and i will never ever fight for no men

I notice the parents in the court room. Where were they when obviously their children needed guidance and help. After the fact, it's too late.

Here we have 2 white women fighting to the death over a Latino ganster-1 girl died and the other is found guilty and will spend her life in prison.
Both girls got what they deserved.
If you date trash-you will end up in the trash.
Case closed. Happy for the guilty verdict.

They fight over this guy?....are you serious!!!!
Wow, one girl is dead and another pregnant by this road scum.
WHERE WERE THE PARENTS!!!!!
If I brought this guy home, my dad would lock me in my BR and nail the door shut!

"It is easy for evil to point the finger at the innocent". As the defense attorney stated, "they came after her". I hope Joshua learned his lesson and will never instigate another fight.

How could this be anything but manslaughter, if that ? Rachel's lawyer must appeal ! His case was much more credible. She was stalked and, out of poor judgement, fighting back. All of the people involved displayed very poor reasoning skills. This is a case for the extreme need for cognitive skill training in the schools. Problem solving, cause an effect, etc. The most telling statement was from Rachel when she was on the stand. "No one ever meets and talks "
out problems. The text/network site communication style is literally wasting people everywhere. Let's consider this and not waste another life !!!

I don't buy the tears..I'd be crying like a baby too if I were facing HOURS of jail time let-alone-years in jail. Rachel wasn't remorseful until she learned of Sarah's death and her (Rachel's) imminent incarceration!

1) If Rachel went to Laboy's place for safety, a "safehouse", why wasn't she inside?

2) If Rachel needed the guys' protection why was she 30ft away from them approaching the person she was so terrified of? Rachel had every intention of using the knife she brought with her from home.

And finally, Sarah had no slashes on her body, if it were self defense you'd think Rachel would have been slashing at Sarah to fend her off! This is 1st degree murder..GUILTY!

In hearing everything that was said in court< why, did Sarah go to the girls house? And after not finding her why, didnt she not just go home?.I think sarah told her friends to be on the lookout for Rachel and to hit her back if they see her. I think Rachel took the knife outta her bag, after Sarah's friend tried to run Rachel over with the van. But no one wants to comment on that fact.. Sarah wouldnt have known where to find Rachel if her friends hadnt told her where she was in the first place. Also, ppl have the right to say what they want its their first amedment right!!! And the polcie cant do anything about it until Rachel makes a threat in her face!! Not on the phone.. Its all just talk and they wont do anything until someone touches the other or makes the threat in their face.

WOW!! I followed the trial as everyone else did! I believe I could write a book....... but better yet Rachel has the time to do it! Or maybe either parents about Teens Dating and their Rage!.
Rachel, unfortunately have learned the hard way to keep her mouth closed and will have to maintain her internal rage within when dealing with the prision females. And even though she did not intend to actually kill Sarah (contrary to voicemails), I truly believe that alotof negative emotions and past experiences had been building up within and common sense was not on her side. Also, Sarah is not here anymore but I am just curious to What if? All I can do is PRAY for all that are effected; from the teenagers to the parents and friends. That means The Camachos as well! Forgiveness is available to Rachel and if Rachel could find in heart to apologize with sincerity to Sarah's parents; I believe she will begin to heal with a little added counseling and giving back to other teenagers! If she does not get Life without parole then about 35 to 40 years of age she can start a new life... All of you have made great points according to this trial but I believe Greatness will come out of this. Try Prayer! Rachel, her loved ones, and Sarah's parents/family will all be just fine-Time will heal and Comfort.

To those people out there who think it is self defense: Yes, you have a right to defend yourself with EQUAL force not GREATER force. Sarah and her two friends may have shown up but Rachel was there with two guys and a knife. Unless the guys were whimps I would say Rachel had WAY bigger of an advantage and had nothing to fear.

Let's not leave out the fact that Rachel had two guys there. After Janet found out that Rachel stabbed Sara, Janet went after Rachel and was beating on her for a few minutes and all she got was a fat lip and a few scratches. Is that the big beat down that she feared for her life? I got more than that when I was spanked by my mother.

I totally disagree with this verdict and hope and pray she gets a high profile attorney to get this thrown out on appeal. I believe Sarah saved those voice messages to use against Rachael after she beat and did whatever else she wanted to do to her. Then she would have produced the voice mails to get out of it. Those voice mails were too old. Sarah was much much bigger and with two other thugs. They went to her location and Sarah was probally used to pushing her weight around on smaller people, looks like she picked on the wrong little person and wound up dead. There should have been 12 jurors on a case that could send someone to prison for life, I have never been to Florida and after all these horror stories I think Florida is like a third world country and it scares the hell out of me. Rachel is not guilty and this is self-defense. Time for an appeal!!!! Florida laws are unjust.

I would ask Rachel the following questions:

1) If you were so afraid of Sarah, why did you not cut your loses and let the boy go?

2) Could you not see the guy was making a fool of all of you ladies with benefits?

3) Did anyone not ever tell you there are many fish in the sea?

4) When those girls drove up, why did you not call the two guys to protect you?

Sorry but she is Guilty. Rachel had a weapon. If she was so scared why didn't she go in the house with her friends and lock the door and call police. She stabbed Sara and she did it cause she wanted to. She had options and she took them away by stabbing that poor girl over a boy thats not worth it. Also if she was defending herself why did she throw the knife and not tell the police were it was. Thats GUILTY!! if you ask me. I bet Sara would have kicked her butt if Rachel didn't stabb her. I hope she gets whats comming to her. I feel so sorry for Rachel's parents. Also for Sarah's family. Justice for Sarah AMEN!!!

All this drama, grief and loss of a life over *him*? First picture I've seen of Camacho and at first glance thought it was a senorita, not too macho looking.

Sarah Ludemann is NOT a victim by any means – she is an idiot for going to look for Rachel. She went looking for trouble and brought all of this on herself. Jelisa and Janet are just as responsible for Sarah's death as Sarah and Rachel are. Charlie and Gay Ludemann need to understand their daughter was just as stupid as Sarah for being with Camacho and went looking for a fight. They should have taught her better, same for Wade's parents.

this is just horrible. i can honestly say i'm not sure what i would do if i were on the jury! i know rachel grabbed a knife and i heard all the threats she made to sarah. the hard part is the fact that sarah went looking for rachel. if she were that scared of rachel, why on earth would she go looking for her. especially with the threat of rachel was going to kill her? i have always said anyone that takes a life should do life or the death sentence. but this one is really twisted and i really don't think this young girl should spend the rest of her life in prison. i feel for both families, and it's very sad sarah is dead. my question is why would srah go looking for rachel???

i think this is so sad that these two beautiful,and seemingly intelligent girls would fall for a guy who uses girls to boost his ego. he enjoyed getting girls into fights over him. It looks like these two girls would have figured out that he was having more than one affair. my advice to the other girlfriends of joshua camacho if u dont want to wind up like these two girls you better get wise and leave him an dont fall for his mind games it may save your life just because he cant grow up. players are usually users. i think that there should be some type of charge for joshua after all he instigated this tradegy and fulled it till the end. i think if he's charged or privately sued by both parents for damages he'd think twice about doing this again. can he be charged as an accessory after the fact?

The irony of this case is that two women were in a long-term feud for the love of Joshua. Sarah is dead and Rachel is going to jail, so neither "won" the battle. And Joshua will have many more women.

Rachel did not stab Janet (even though Janet attacked her ) because Janet is Joshua's sister. She knew that if she had stabbed Janet, Joshua would probably not see her anymore..

i feel that any 1 of this natura ,they should get a fair jury ,,,it seems that any jurior for gets that this is a youngs lady life and the procuation,,just wants another verdic n her belt ,, i can understand, if they found her for manslaughter and i feel they would have if they had the right age group for a jury so there u have it a life that doesnt mean any thing for a jury or another human n this life

I "ABSOLUTELY" agree with the way this went down. Ms. Wade had alot of opportunities to squash the fight without ending a life. I think she wanted this girl dead from months ago. Honestly she doesn't regret doing it and if she could have done it again she would have. I was following this whole story from the beginning and I was watching her face, there was no emotion or remorse what so ever. You can't play victim when all the past evidence points to you as the agressor. You can't threaten someone to the degree she did without it coming back to bite you.Everyone wants to say that Ms. Ludemann is somewhat responsible, and you know what I'm sure she was trying to stand up for herself which anyone would .Sarah showed up that night with out a weapon knowing that this girl had great intentions of "MURDERING" her. She arrived ready to "FISTFIGHT", not kill. She didn't even get the chance to throw her hands up. Most people want to say that Sarah threw the first 3 punches, but if you were paying close attention to this trial, it was said and shown in the pictures that Ms. Ludeman had no marks on her body other then stab wounds and neither did Ms. Wade. "There was NO signs of struggling it happened in a matter of seconds". If Ms. Wade was punched 3 times, her face wouldn't look so innocent and unmarked. There would have been photos of a swollen and busted up face. "THERE WAS NONE OF THAT" in the defense's evidence.What it comes down to is this, you bring your fists to a fight not weapons, that's the cowardly way. I belive justice was served and hope on September 3 that Ms. Wade never gets to see the light of day again!

I have been watching and listening to this trial, they keep mentioning the age of the jurors. Well i' m older and I instantly knew what friends with benefits referred to. Age had nothing to do with the verdict, its the law.
Myself I would have went in with manslaughter.

And one other thing I have been telling my children and grandchildren for years to watch what they say and write. Just because everybody does it does not make it right. One day it might be ok but the next day they might not be in that kind of game playing mood. Then all hell breaks loose, I've seen this happen as we all have,and it's hard to recall hurt after it's been done.

Everyone of those teens are as GUILTY as if they turned the knife themselves. They ALL contributed to the fatal night. Though I am sorry for Sarah and her family I am also sorry for Rachel and her family. Joshua is scum and lied in court about the gun, Ashley was the "Spotter" and contributed to the street fight, Janet egged it on, they ALL kept this going.. EVERY SINGLE one of them killed Sarah at some level, Rachel will serve time and the rest will have to live with their own reality that THEY played a part in all of this! THEY ARE ALL GUILTY! This trial needs to be shown to every high school student in the country...teenagers wake up and stop this mean girl behavior..see what has happened and all over a three-timing scum bag!

shouldnt be 20 years or first or second. just saw other part of case where they talk about the 3 however many girls almost hit them then come back.id probly get a knife to if it was first thing i could find .remember kids if your going to get the life beat out of you just stand there and take it.cause your life is over anyways.

Three points I would like to make.

Point # 1
I am very sorry for the way this trial has ended, but it is justified that Sarah be sent to prison...how long ? not for me to decide, there are no winner's here. (maybe an example needs to be made of her as a teaching moment.) for all parents to use when teaching there young.

Point # 2
The defense says they wanted a young jury ? Like that would have helped !! I believe that the way our children communicate to each other has been getting very bad for a very long time. Parents today do not teach their children that what you say can be recorded such as voicemail, email, texting or on the internet and it is forever, and will be used against you for the purpose of prosecution.
( please see Miranda Rights/ Warning ).
Our children need to learn at a early age that this will not be tolerated in the eyes of the law.

Point # 3
Self defense ? What was the defense thinking ? Remorse ?
I didn't see any tears, All I saw was a girl wipeing her dry eyes that were covered with mascara ....personally believe more in what some would call a stoic demeanor in appearence because it takes some time to sink in that she is going to prison.
Just Saying....

I am glad that wade was found gilty, there this saying if you do the crime you must do your time.

I think the Camacho witness' were not believable at all. When Janet was talking on the witness stand about what Rachel said about wanting to stab Ludemann and her Mexican boyfriend-u could see the contempt in Janet's eyes! She as well as Janisha looked like hateful little witches! That is not to say Rachel was in the right, but I feel she was remorseful for what she did and the Prosecutor ripped her a new one! To me it seemed as if Rachel really didn't have time to think on the stand cuz the Prosecutor was in her face constantly badgering her! I think since she is so young that she really wasn't thinking clearly at the time but she was/is remorseful and I think she could be reformed in prison. I just hope that when if she gets out that she will have better judgement on who she dates and let ignorant men (for lack of a better term) like Camcho be. I feel he should've intervened before all of this happened and Javier should've too that night(after all he and Rachel planned to marry so why wouldn't he want to protect her), but even though the girls were talking smack I feel that it was exactly that-SMACK! No one really saw this coming but I feel Ludemann was the main aggressor as well as Janet. She (Sarah) didn't deserve to die.

travesty of justice, involuntary manslaughter at most. wade not the aggressor.

I honestly believe their was something going on between Mr huley and this poor kid .The dead will not give thier side.Put this so called kid where he belongs before he kills you and me