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July 21, 2010

Teenage love triangle turns deadly

Posted: 09:39 AM ET

Clearwater, FL – Joshua Camacho, 21, dated several women simultaneously. By the time he was 19, he had a son from Erin Slothower and was sleeping with two other teens, Rachel Wade and Sarah Ludemann, both of whom, at one point, were really hooked on the guy. Camacho, though, said neither Wade nor Ludemann was his girlfriend; rather, they were “friends with benefits.” Slothower was simply “baby mama.”

All the young women knew about each other. Over several months in 2008 and a few weeks in 2009, Wade and Ludemann fueled each other’s jealousies through MySpace postings, text messages, and voicemails. It all escalated to an ugly physical confrontation on the street the evening of Tuesday, April 14, 2009 into the wee hours of April 15, 2009 when Wade stabbed Ludemann twice. Ludemann, unarmed, died a few minutes later at the scene. Wade said Ludemann had repeatedly verbally threatened her that day and that she attacked Ludemann in self defense. Now, 20-year-old Rachel Wade is facing charges of second degree murder in the stabbing death of Sarah Ludemann.

Watch Florida v Rachel Wade LIVE on In Session for gavel to gavel coverage!

-Beth Karas, In Session Correspondent

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teresa bishop   July 21st, 2010 10:15 am ET

What is Rachel Wade thinking? Wearing make-up at her trial should be the least of her worries! Rachel Wade gave up the right to wear make-up, when she chose to stab Sara. I would think she should be more worried about showing remorse for what she did.


sag coopersmith   July 21st, 2010 10:17 am ET

hmmm makeup -no mirror- the least of her worries.


Meghan   July 21st, 2010 10:25 am ET

This girl is sick and has no remorse for what she has done. She deserves life in prison if not the needle! Make-up isn't going to help you, Miss Wade.


Big Ray   July 21st, 2010 10:33 am ET

Well, I hope she was wearing MAC Make-up at least...might as well go for the gusto if you are going to soon be doing jail time!


wendy   July 21st, 2010 10:33 am ET

why would the judge grant her this request hello she killd a person. waisting time in court over this, is dumb. yup no remorse. she should get used to not wearing make up because she will be heading to jail...


Gary Dart   July 21st, 2010 10:34 am ET

I believe the State of Florida has a law called the "right to live or the right to life", something like that. This gives you the right to have a concealed weapon, naturally after you submitt paperwork etc and are approved. The way I understand it is if you feel you are threatened, such as in a parking lot at Walmart or elswhere you can defend yourself and use your gun if necessary without prosecution. Why then if Ms Wade felt threatened, eventhough she used a knife, doesn't this law come into effect and this case should be dismissed?


Jamie   July 21st, 2010 10:35 am ET

It's so horrible that these girls' lives were ruined so young, over a boy who could care less about them. Foolish, at best.

From what I understand, Rachel set up the "meeting" with Sarah. The police have evidence that she clearly *promised* to kill Sarah before. She set this up, she pakced a knife, and she repeatedly stabbed an unarmed girl.

Did either girl seek help from law enforcement for the "harassment" that Rachel keeps bringing up? She said she just wanted to scare Sarah because Sarah kept harassing her via mean comments over text messages and the internet. If she felt so scared, why did she set up a meeting with her harasser? Why didn't she seek help from police? I've been a victim of real harassment – not mean comments and name calling – but life threats and violent acts. Not for one second did it ever cross my mind to set up a "meeting" to confront the person violently harassing me; I was scared for my life. It's never ok to take the law into your own hands.

This does not seem like a case of self-defense. Rachel purposefully set the meeting up, and she carried a knife that she usually did not have with her. She previously threatened Sarah's life. Besides her young age and obvious foolishness, all facts are against her in this case.


Gheri of Nashville, TN   July 21st, 2010 10:40 am ET

This is a sad case & one that hit home. My son & I had a discussion about this yesterday & this AM I turn on the tv & here is this case. I told him that I raised him & his brother to take responsibility for any girl they befriend b/c I believe they have some responsibility for her emotions. Be honest about your relationship w/whoever you befriend & do not lead them into thinking they are more to you than they really are. I raised them to know that I believe that they do share in the liability of what happens when/if that aquaintance strikes-out emotionally.


Chrissy   July 21st, 2010 10:41 am ET

Wow, I continue to be amazed at how stupid the youth of today is. All this over a boy and then your main concern is makeup?


kylee   July 21st, 2010 10:41 am ET

my only thought is maybe she wants the make up so when she fake cries people can easily see


lauraT   July 21st, 2010 10:46 am ET

What are people thinking?? especially these young adults - carrying around a knife & then using it ?? horrible for all involved. How can this young woman be defended ?? I'll watch the trial & see.


ivy redner   July 21st, 2010 10:47 am ET

All done in the name of love. Second to God told me to.


Ashley   July 21st, 2010 10:49 am ET

What if she thought those girls were going to gang up on her... remember they came around the corner and at least 2 of the girls got out....


ashley   July 21st, 2010 10:54 am ET

a. no boy is worth a life sentence.. and i do say boy because this male is far from a man. b. clearly she feels insecure about herself, that is why she stuck around knowing about the other girls. make up doesn't make you anymore attractive if your heart is ugly


Vaundre' McGough   July 21st, 2010 11:05 am ET

Teenagers today are lawless! They have no value for life, no repect for their peers, and no repect for their parents. They only live for the moment and they do not think of the consequences for their actions until it's too late. There should be mandatory classes on teenage responsiblity!


Cindy   July 21st, 2010 11:07 am ET

If Rachel "planned" on killing Sarah by bringing a knife, why wasn't she charged with FIRST degree murder?


Diane   July 21st, 2010 11:09 am ET

What on earth is wrong with young people today? Killing someone over a piece of trash is just crazy. Obviously, these young women had no self respect or they would have been angry at the man. It's sad to see one young woman dead and another who has thrown her life away.


JMH   July 21st, 2010 11:11 am ET

Joshua the "friend withOUT benefits" needs to go on trial too... for being a JERK!

And yes, Rachel needs to be thrown in prison too, maybe she and Josh could bunk together.


Roxie   July 21st, 2010 11:14 am ET

Who needs make-up when there on trail. She is wrong for what she did and then a fight over a boy come on there too many fish in the sea to fight over one guy and kill a girl over it. I swear some people


CJ & Jackie   July 21st, 2010 11:16 am ET

Really!! we are worried about this girl wearing make-up...Seriously...Who cares about the make-up, What about the guy Josh, and the fact that a human life was taken!!!


Kathy   July 21st, 2010 11:22 am ET

Why is the girl sitting behind Rachael Wade talking to Rachael? Rewind the tape and you will see what I'm talking about. It was when the cross exam was getting ready.


Ray   July 21st, 2010 11:25 am ET

A lot of today's youth are "Desensitized" by the environment that they are surrounded by, thus many are detached from their actions...not realizing that there are "real" consequence to their actions...as if they were playing a video game.


Brenda C   July 21st, 2010 11:28 am ET

The boy involved in this friends with benefits ordeal is very selfish and must enjoy girls arguing over him. He should be the one on trial for stirring the pot of jealous rage that led up to this. I'm wondering how he feels about this situation now and how he fueled it.


Don   July 21st, 2010 11:28 am ET

That's what you get for being wrapped around the finger of some how-life. Camacho is laughing his way to the par to pick up a few more idiots to sleep around with. The old ones were getting stale anyway. Have some respect, ladies. Don't feed the egos of trash like this.


Liisa   July 21st, 2010 11:36 am ET

This case is very complex very intimate. I do believe the lady on trial needs to pay for her actions. Having said that I also believe one should not play others emotions as a fiddle. He played these woman against one another. He chose to be "Rico Suave" with these woman's hearts and I also believe he should be held accountable to some extent. This is a horrible case for all involved and all family and friends. But I truely believe you toy at one's hearts in such laughter as he did, consiquences arise. Some woman believe in the saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", and in this case this is one of those moments. I also do not believe Ashley Lovelady. She was fully aware of this situation and I am sure her comments may have helped egg this on. She should of told Sarah "No,let's not confront her, leave it be. Let's talk to Josh, he is the case here". But she would not do that because she was a "friend with benefits" with Josh's brother Jay. Hmmmm...one wonders. Such a sad case indeed.


B Basi   July 21st, 2010 11:42 am ET

We don't know the entire story, what happen between sara and Miss Wade, I don't think anybody have the right to make a decision on the case unless you know the story, specially u Meghan....It's very possible if wade had not stabbed the sara, that sara might be faceing murder charges today, instead of Wade. All I say that hope fully jury will hear the entire case and make the fair decision.


dano   July 21st, 2010 11:42 am ET

This sort of drama has played out in this world many, many times, and will be many more. I think that Miss Wade will probably be found guilty.

What young women see in a guy like Camacho is totally beyond me. Somebody please explain it to me? Thanks.


Shag   July 21st, 2010 11:47 am ET

Sucks for Joshua, 1 friend with benefits dead and the other going to jail, looks like he has to go back to his baby momma


CJ & Jackie   July 21st, 2010 11:50 am ET

Really!!! We are worried that this girl is wearing make-up??? Who cares about the make-up!! What about the guy Josh and the fact that a human life was taken over a stupid arguement, that could've been settled by both of them conforting the guy!!!


Houstonian   July 21st, 2010 11:55 am ET

What in the world??? Who cares about makeup when they're facing a 2nd degree murder charge?


Stephanie   July 21st, 2010 12:03 pm ET

I agree, she shows no remorse and deserves life in jail. No matter who slept with whom she didnt desereve to be stabbed or die!


Guy   July 21st, 2010 12:04 pm ET

Looks like Sarah wins!


Tasha   July 21st, 2010 12:07 pm ET

Killing over a guy. Wow! Parents as a whole need to teach their daughters (and sons) from early on that they are worth the wait for someone that will respect them and to teach these young men out here how to truly respect a woman. Two young lives ruined over nothing!


stephanie   July 21st, 2010 12:15 pm ET

Guys, this is why you don't eff with a girls emotions. Terrible things can happen. The kid who is at the center of this thing probably thinks he's the man now because he had two girls fighting over him. Such a shame...hope that piece of crap ends up in jail soon too.


RD   July 21st, 2010 12:24 pm ET

You'd be surprised, Meghan. Females historically have received far less severe sentences for the same offense as males. Some "equality," eh?


Amy   July 21st, 2010 12:38 pm ET

Alright. Rachel SHOOOULD go to jail! No man is worth someone elses life. . . . espically if there seeing someone else! Now & days girls just dont care. . . its not the OTHER persons fault, you need to comfront the person who is cheating! RiP SARAH LUDEMANN =( you didnt deserve to go the way you did.


Kat   July 21st, 2010 12:49 pm ET

Personally I feel that Ashley Lovelady was a instigator in this case if she wouldve kept her mouth shut non of this would have ever happened!!! The young lady Miss Smith is a Liar. These girls knew what was about to happen I'm not buying there lies. Sarah had all intentions to go and fight Rachel and if she was losing had her frineds there to jump in for her I feel this is a self defense case on Rachels behalf. Do I think she should be able to walk away scotch free? No I feel there should be a manslaughter charge for sure! Murder? No Hopefully these young girls have learned a serious lesson. 1) BOYS arent worht fighting over & 2) fighting isnt worht it you never know what can happen.


GT66   July 21st, 2010 1:04 pm ET

hmmm... I think there's more to this story. As we all know by now, women do not behave this way. Therefore, Comacho must have pressured or brainwashed the one girl into killing the other. These girls were obviously under Comacho's "spell" and therefore how can any of them be blamed. Obviously, Comacho is at fault since he is male.


Tom   July 21st, 2010 1:04 pm ET

Wade's claim of self defense is not believable, based on her actions that night. She had armed herself, and upon Ludeman's arrival on her street, Wade ADVANCED against Ludeman. That's not the defensive act of someone who's retreating in fear or for their safety, that's an act of someone who's on the offensive. Indeed, he fact that she, while armed, moved herself forward in that manner shows intent. I not buying her claim of selfdefense, her actions that night show something entirely different.


MaggieF   July 21st, 2010 1:07 pm ET

Though all indications from this article are that she has committed the crime, she has not "given up" any rights yet; as our legal system is supposed to ensure innocence until guilt is proven. That being said...it will not bode well for her if/when she is sentenced as it shows a blatent lack of remorse.

Also, can we all pitch in and hire a copy editor for CNN? What kind of sentence is, "All the young women knew about each other."?


pat   July 21st, 2010 1:08 pm ET

in my opinion, men are NOT worth fighting over. if they don't want to be with you then walk away, don't fight.


Shannon   July 21st, 2010 2:02 pm ET

This case is so incredibly sad. Somehow, with the grace of God, I managed to raise 3 children to adulthood with no problems such as this. I feel as though one of the main issues is that none of the 3 girls involved with this young man, had very liitle or no self-worth. Obviously, they lived and sadly, one of them died for the love of that young man. How truly sad. Its heartbreaking.


Doug Kirsch   July 21st, 2010 2:03 pm ET

It has been proven that the more attractive you are the better people treat you and that includes being on trial. It sounds as if she is guilty to me but she is entitled to a fair trial. I doubt that she is smart enough and/or wise enough to know that but I'm guessing her lawyer is and that is the reason for this request


darla   July 21st, 2010 2:11 pm ET

This guy Josh should feel horrible about what has happened. I do not shift the blame from Rachel, but Josh was clearly the cause of all this. This is truly a tragic story that has ruined the lives of two families, and two young girls.

I think we need to remember the age and mentality of these girls. 17, 18, 19.. these girls are still young and I don't believe they fully understood what could happen that night. They should have been angry with this boy and not each other. Just the fact that they could not see this shows how childish their mentalities were.


Ryan   July 21st, 2010 2:12 pm ET

Where is the boyfriend the boyfriend.......or playa in all of this. This is all partially his fault....he was probably dating two TEENS and he is 21....what a freaking loser. I guarantee he is still out there doing his thang....as they like to say. Im sure he manipulated these girls and both of them really thought he cared. Two lives ruined because of this piece of crap!


ginae   July 21st, 2010 2:12 pm ET

This girl has ruined her life over something as stupid as a man. You do the crime, you do the time......


ROBERT N   July 21st, 2010 2:16 pm ET

The right to wear make-up!!! Give me a break!!!!
It is very clear to me that Rachel Wade is clearly a sociopath(its all about me complex and my self satisfaction)!!!
The self defense theroy is ludicrous at best, if she is not convicted of 2nd. degree murder the jury may take pity on her and convict her of
"manslaughter" believing her "hormones were running wild"!!!!


James Wallin   July 21st, 2010 2:17 pm ET

Wade is the victim against Luberman. Luberman was in a van with 2 girls thats 3 on one in. Luberman is such a well behaved daughter unlike Wade why is luberman racing through the streets after midnight with a chip on her shoulder.Her freinds are lyng on the stand and the expert panel making Luberman out to be a saint. What the street culture like gang mantality Wade's 5.4 Luberman 5.8 with 2 girls behind her one she was frighten of Janet ..fight or flight I don't think Wade had a chance. Now Stabbing isn't the answer but it was a way out . I do feel bad for both families. let all exidence come out and then comment on the verdict. what i 'm watching is a smear on Wade it took 2 Wade and Luberman. love this channel take care guys


Dennis   July 21st, 2010 2:22 pm ET

This is all just idiotic.
Seems like I'm watching a bad Jerry Springer show today.
Teens think that every crisis is the end of the world and just go way overboad on things (and people) that are just not worth the trouble.
This Camacho idiot doesn't even give a flying you know what about any of them.


Karen   July 21st, 2010 2:28 pm ET

What happen to being responsible for our choices? Why blame the boy? Why blame the friends? If everyone knew about everyone else, why not walk away and say he's yours take him. Why choose to argue over a boy who is obviously involved with three women? The choices they both made lead to this, Josh may have egged them on to fight, but he can't force one of the to throw the first punch. It's a choice that both girls decided to make, unfortunatly their choices have lead to a loss of life for one, possible life in prison for the other and numerous family and friends living with the grief.


c. wallis   July 21st, 2010 2:29 pm ET

I feel sorry for both of these girls who were clearly played by a big time, wanna be, gansta, looser!!! Remember parents, raise your daughters to have self confidence and high expectations when it comes to men. This boy clearly has no self confidence in himself either. Or he wouldnt find it necessary to manipulate and control other people. The downfall of both of these women's lives started when they met this dork.


Diane   July 21st, 2010 2:36 pm ET

So, the other girl now had possession of the boy? Whoopdie do. Drop him. Let him go. Happens all the time, and quite frankly, I've yet to hear he was worth millions. It's not worth ruining your life over.


KJ   July 21st, 2010 2:38 pm ET

the point of wearing makeup would be to appear softer to the jury, and less hardened like a criminal.


annie   July 21st, 2010 2:39 pm ET

What is this? This little nit-wit is worried about putting on makeup when she's going to trial for murder. Can she be this vain to think it makes a difference?


Jack Ireland   July 21st, 2010 2:54 pm ET

Janet Camacho is the best witness for the defense when she states that she listened to a conversation on the decedent's cell phone speaker indicating threats to stab the decedent. Instead of calling 911 or contacting the parents of these girls, Janet Camacho decides to facilitate a confrontation leading to a stabbing. This is a slam dunk acquittal in any jurisdiction that condemns violence and stupidity. It's an outrage that these people are allowed to walk the streets after encouraging a murder... And I include the parents of all these individuals. Where were they and why did they not teach there children to avoid danger and crime? This situation is simple disgusting and vile. And I believe that race is not an issue although it is being played by the Prosecution via answers to questions by Janet Camacho.


itsashame   July 21st, 2010 3:01 pm ET

sad to say but when you go looking for trouble you just might find it. If a group of chicks come to confront you what would you do? Don't condone what happened but I can see why it happened...


annie   July 21st, 2010 3:01 pm ET

well, what a narcissitic little nit-wit. She's not worried about being tried for murder, but she's worried about whether or not she can wear makeup while she sit in the courtroom to be tried for the murder of a human being? I hope the prosecutor uses this request to his advantage during his closing argument.


Sam   July 21st, 2010 3:03 pm ET

I think it's just good parenting to teach your children not to stab one another. Why are we discussing the underlying effects of jealousy and love? How about teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. Rachel Wade stabbed a girl because it was a sure way to win a fight. She's guilty.


Gene   July 21st, 2010 3:05 pm ET

I agree you are jumping too conclusions before you hear the facts,I am glad none of you are setting on a jury trial for any of my children,I mean these girls were not out just too go to Mc Donalds at 12am,there was trouble all along and obviously this girl knew something was going too happen she did drive to her own death,hear the facts and don't judge a person by their personal appearance because what you don't understand no matter what the real killer is gonna walk away Camacho himself.


donald craig   July 21st, 2010 3:11 pm ET

i think that its obvious that these grils planed this attack on this girl though they will never admit to their part in this as teens always do but they eitheir wanted to see a fight or possiably particapaite in it to jump rachel wade without miss lovelys letting her know that rachel was where she was this horriable thing probably would have never taken place i think the guys in this wanted to see a girl fight and had no intention of stoping this for the sake of having someting to talk about around the hood i feel sorry for rachel and shara in all of this and my prayers go uot to rachel and shara family.


anton   July 21st, 2010 3:11 pm ET

I have been watching the live coverage and it is sad that this girl lost her life over something as useless as that. both women knew he was cheating and they should have went down a different road . there is plenty of men and women out there. it is not worth losing a life over


Deja   July 21st, 2010 3:12 pm ET

This is sad to me. Wow this shouldn't of got that far to the fact of you wanting to kill someone. And may I add when the fighting happened and she got stabbed you telling me that the two main witnesses just sat in the car. Come on, why didn't they try to break it up or call the cops if they seen Rachael Wade with a knife.


Brian   July 21st, 2010 3:12 pm ET

This is a open an shut case who carries a KITCHEN knife to defend yourself ! no.1
no.2 she said i'm going to murder you and your mexican boyfriend
no.3 after she stabbed her she said "i'm done" and walked away
no.4 is she tossed the knife on top of a roof of a house i guess to hide what she did. When you defend yourself there is absolutely nothing to hide..........she is going to prison.


ed   July 21st, 2010 3:12 pm ET

I think people really need to stop the madness. There are to many trials involving heated tempers that end in someones death. These things happen so fast and all that's left is broken hearts & families still no one seems to be getting the message. There are no sides just death and that's final.


adriana   July 21st, 2010 3:16 pm ET

I think Janet gamacho and sarah luderman, julisa were the instigator of this whole thing. Why did they keeping following Rachael when they heard she was around their neighbourhood. I think this was a self defend case and Rachel will be freed.


lexy   July 21st, 2010 3:16 pm ET

I don't know if I would convict on 2nd degree murder here. Sounds like Rachel fled her house to Javiar's house to hide from Sara. Sara shows up at Rachels house to find no Rachel then is told by a "friend" Rachel is at Javiar's. Off she goes to confront Rachel. But Sarah has two other girls with her. If I were confronted by three angry women I would be defensive. All the "big" talk in this case was said by both girls. The kicker here is Rachel said I will stab you and your Mexican boyfriend (he is not mexican). Why, why why would Sarah go over there when that was said?


Sarah   July 21st, 2010 3:19 pm ET

Racheal wade should stay in jail for what she did she had no right to bring a knife she planned the whole thing of killing sarah so she could have josh to herself! Read facebook posted alot of people stay the same thing


conzy   July 21st, 2010 3:26 pm ET

Rachael could noway felt too scared or she would have called the police .


george   July 21st, 2010 3:30 pm ET

i have been in the middle of a murder suicide and the 5 seconds they say it took thats about the time i had to escape with 30 rounds of an automatic weapon chasing me. if every one in van seen a knife they should have never confronted danger and alerted the police. self defence? maybe.


Scott   July 21st, 2010 3:30 pm ET

Watching this is appalling. Ms. Lovelady lied about the direction she was driving. Ms Smith showed 2 different ways that Rachel was carrying the knife and Ms Comacho has selective memory and keeps changing her story. The prosecution is in trouble with these witnesses.


Larry   July 21st, 2010 3:30 pm ET

Camacho! He needs to be on trial.


John   July 21st, 2010 3:34 pm ET

Welcome to Florida Folks! Did you ever wonder why so many of the cases on in session are in Florida?
Because there are no values imparted on the youth when they grow up here.
This is a Jerry Springer Heaven!
Everything about this case is absurd, the fact that this guy had a harem or got them to fight over them. That the Girls actually would fight over this loser, and that none of them including the witness did not have enough self respect to dump this "friends with benefits" concept.


conzy   July 21st, 2010 3:35 pm ET

Rachael willfully carried a knife for the purpose of doing harm to Sarah. This was a true cowards way out and Rachael needs to pay.


Scott   July 21st, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Ms Camacho is such a liar. None of these 3 women are creditable.


Carla   July 21st, 2010 3:38 pm ET

This was senseless. My daughter knows all the parties involved and went to school with them. I feel sorry for both families. This was also sad for the pinellas park class of 2009. It is hard to have to re-live the events of what happened that night. I'm thankful no one else was hurt and that my daughter was at home in bed that night. There are alot of people hurting in pinellas park over this whole event.


charles   July 21st, 2010 3:39 pm ET

First of all sorry for the punctuation my computer is set up as a French keyboard. Men are not to be blamed for womens actions, I agree Camacho is a first class loser, a player a no good for nothing but lets not blame all men for womens actions. I beleive the 3 girls in the minivan knew that they were going their to beat her up, listen
3 on 1, I would also be scared!


Cyrus Howell   July 21st, 2010 3:49 pm ET

Doubt a judge or a jury would see that as self defense. In fact her story sounds made up. A bit on the ex post facto side of the scales of justice.
I think she'll be going away. Too bad for her family.
It is hard sometimes for people in their teens and 20s to make good decisions.
She fell for a guy and thought she was never going to find anyone else like him again in her life.
She forgot to read the directions:
(A) If he is seeing other women drop him because you don't count.


tori   July 21st, 2010 3:51 pm ET

Makeup? Really? Does it matter what she looks like? Uh no! They're there cuz of murder not what she looks like.


deana   July 21st, 2010 3:53 pm ET

kat is so right. SELF DEFENSE.


Dorian Grey   July 21st, 2010 3:59 pm ET

Haha, the answers are easy, but most people don't want to hear them. Monogamous relationships keep crap like this from happening more often than usual. Discouraging teenage sex at least gives the kids a chance to be a little older before they dive into something adults can barely handle. When you find the person you are with wants to be your friend with benifits, walk away. Usually friends with benifits means a guy is sleeping with multiple ladies who have no pride or self respect.


Courtney   July 21st, 2010 4:15 pm ET

My opinion, the 2 timing man whore should be held just as much responsible for the murder. He antoginized the situation.


a girl   July 21st, 2010 4:16 pm ET

Okay first off. Yes it was extremely stupid for what happened but I think people should stop stereotyping teens when all teens are not that way. Just as any other stereotyping. I've seen my share of stupid adults as well!. As for racheal she deserves life in prison for taking the life of another who I did know. May you rip Sarah. in racheals defense as far as the makeup everyone's arguing about any of you girls or ladies would do the same thing if you were live in front of the world critisizing you. And as for josh he will get his karma one day we hope!


Divine   July 21st, 2010 4:23 pm ET

Teens today are not desensitized nor do they need classes. Look at the facts. even the judicial system is full of these....loopholes and justifications. THeres rules with benefits. Rules with exceptions. Children cannot take the fall for all of their behavior. We as adults allow it! Some dont like discipline, some feel their child has a right to decide what suits their needs, etc. and almost all defend a childs actions before even looking at the whole picture. Not saying it's ok. We have taught this generation that it is ok to express 100% of their freedom and allowed them to become the controllers of the adult world. We have over protected and fought for the rights to individualism using these loopholes and now that utter chaos has erupted from all these exceptions its who's fault? Take it for what it is. America....WAKE UP AND TAKE BACK THE REIGNS!


Pandora10   July 21st, 2010 4:35 pm ET

Someone wrote: "Teenagers today are lawless! They have no value for life, no respect for their peers, and no repect for their parents. They only live for the moment and they do not think of the consequences for their actions until it's too late. There should be mandatory classes on teenage responsiblity!"

The reason for this is because there's no PARENTAL responsibility anymore. If you let society (tv, peers, video games) raise your children, you're going to have uneducated and irresponsible children. We're seeing it every single day with an alarming number if teenage murderers and worse. It is the parents responsibility to raise responsible children. There should be mandatory classes and licensing for parenting, if you don't pass, you should be sterilized and not allowed to reproduce.


robran   July 21st, 2010 4:39 pm ET

This "woman" knows what she did and the evidence will prove it. .She is going to spend the rest of her life in prison because of what she did to Sara over a "man". My thoughts and prayers go out to the famiies of both these young people.


DURANT   July 21st, 2010 4:43 pm ET

I do not understand why joshua's sister 28 years old at the time ,with four children,did not stop Sarah before this got to this level. She should have act like the real adult here, if no more called at told what was about to happen.


LorrieR   July 21st, 2010 4:47 pm ET

I don't think Rachel intentionally meant to killer Sarah, the first stab wound was to the shoulder area. But never the less she did kill her. Involuntary manslaughter I think.
How sad this had to happen for a worthless waste of air like this boy who did not care about either girl.


nancy p*   July 21st, 2010 4:55 pm ET

omg to fight over a guy like this??????,, what were these girls thinking,,,,,,, boys are not worth fighting for,, especially this one,, he is a player and always will be,,,
he will end up in jail as well,, if not already been there,,,,,,
two girls families are now destroyed over this,,

parents today,, please,, tell your children,, that their worth is not judged by a man or a boy in their life,,,,, was this girl losing her life worth it?????? for a thug like this,,,, come on people,, wake up,,,,teens get with it,,,, stop with your foolishness

and parents today have got to stop spoiling their kids,,, they wont know any values later on in life

what a tragedy,,,,,,,, over a stupid boy,,,,, a player,, a criminal and a thug that carries around guns,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

so sad,, and a horrible waste of a persons life,,,,,,


clem johnson   July 21st, 2010 4:58 pm ET

a shame 3 girls basically played like fools, and the main antagonist who glue it all together merely sits by, regardless of the verdict rachel will have to live with knowing she killed someone for a a boy and the boy live with knowing he cause all this mess


Wendy Bet   July 21st, 2010 5:05 pm ET

Wade should spend the rest of her life in prison . So everyday of her life she can re live that night over and over . Wade's self defense claim is bull. She threatened Sara and boyfriend's lives just moments before the murder. Sara didn't deserve to die this way. REST IN PEACE SARA ..


doug   July 21st, 2010 5:22 pm ET

Must be a real lack of available men for them to get so worked up over a boy who seems like a TOTAL Loser!!


PENNY   July 21st, 2010 5:23 pm ET

I find it a bit amazing that so many teens resort to violence to seemingly solve their petty arguments. And, I've never understood "cat fights" where women fight over a guy, while he sits back and enjoys the show.

Now that this kid gets to court, what she seems most concerned about is not the depth of what happened, nor the ramifications of her likely being found guilty and spending most of her life in prison, but whether she can wear makeup in the courtroom? I question her sanity concerning this!


Jackie   July 21st, 2010 5:24 pm ET

I don't see how they could consider this self- defense. Rachel told this girl in a voicemail she wanted to kill her, and then when Sarah shows up to confront her, Rachel just HAPPENS to be standing outside with a knife?.. Rachel knew she was gonna stab Sarah when she pulled up, she just was letting Sarah get the first hit in so she could claim self defense. If I had been in that situation I would have flagged Sarah with the knife and showed it to her and just threatened her to back off, instead she hid that knife because no person in their right mind would confront someone wielding a knife if they knew they had it. Period.


AZ CCW Holder   July 21st, 2010 5:38 pm ET

Gary Dart,
In order to use lethal force, lethal force must be used against you. You can use lethal self-defense against some you is verbally assaulting you. They must have a weapon and show means that they are going to use it. AZ CCW holder.


Loralee   July 21st, 2010 5:40 pm ET

i will say this again and again, women are so dumb! i'm so horrified by the stupidity of my gender. rather than let the stupid, uneducated boyfriend have it, they go at each other. he should've been stabbed. baby mama? he's not even cute!


Lauryn   July 21st, 2010 6:19 pm ET

If three females jump out of a car and come my way, I would definately defend myself no matter what. Rachel was right to have that knife, she could have been beaten to death by THREE females. Ask yourselves what YOU would do if three females came looking for you, whle you're at your friends house, and they come flying around the corner and all jump out. Face it people, it was a street fight, Rachel was bout to get beat down, possibly to the death. She just got the jump on them by having that knife. Yeah, it was stupid to go for the heart, but in the heat of a fight, your adrenaline is running at survival mode and your brain does not stop to be rational. Just remember, what would you have done in the exact same situation.


Lauryn   July 21st, 2010 6:29 pm ET

The fact that is was all over some loser, who didn't care for either of them is the saddest part. If he was a real man, and treated women with respect, none of this might not of happened. I'm guessing he did not a proper upbringing and was not taught on how to treat people. The same goes for his sister who was there, on TV, she was such a space cadet. She was being asked questions and didnt know what they were talking about half the time. It sounded like she had no more than a 6th grade education.


TC   July 21st, 2010 6:30 pm ET

First off the guy was a player. I would like to see him on the stand to make him feel small. To use woman in this way, even if they wanted to be used is wrong. People have feelings, you can't play with emotion. He is guilty by association in my book and playing one against the other.


Bette   July 21st, 2010 6:33 pm ET

This girl will be found guilty, but I also think the guy is to blame by using them like a cheap piece of meat and playing with their emotions. YOU DON'T DO THAT EVER!


Jennifer   July 21st, 2010 6:48 pm ET

There is NO way there were two other girls in the van and there was agruing on speaker phone and neither of the other two girls said a word to provoke the accused.

I have never known a bunch of girls not to stir the pot. There is no way that they and just sat back and listened to the argument between Sara and Rachel on speaker and did not add to the conversation.

I think the three girls were all threatening to come and beat Rachel up. I also believe Rachel told them to bring it on.

Sadley this is how it ended.


Jennifer   July 21st, 2010 6:53 pm ET

Why wasn't Josh Camacho charge with accessory to this crime. He obviously provoked both of these girls into this mess.

He was with Sara text messaging Rachel only hours before the crime.

I think he should have been charged with conspiracy to murder.


tammy   July 21st, 2010 6:59 pm ET

Why is it that no one can fight fare any more, why is it that you have to have a weapon in your hands to fight. And why in the hell would you fight over a kid that has done you wrong. I do believe you have the right to protect yourself and your family. But this killing to me was first degree murder. If you truly believe that you have to fight over a kid then fight fare. People have no respect for life any more. And thats very sad.


Ashley   July 21st, 2010 7:08 pm ET

This poor girl has ruined her life over what a boy that was playing the field. You know this is crazy. I really hope the family of the girl that got killed is okay. and they are in my prayers.


mschul05   July 21st, 2010 7:24 pm ET

I honestly think that she was wanting to put on mascara so that if she pretended to cry it would help her as it ran down her face as to show some sort of remorse...fake remorse.


mschul05   July 21st, 2010 7:30 pm ET

This is a perfect example of THUG mentality.....sad part of it is where there is one example there are bound to be thousands.....usually the ones that fall for these type of boys are looking for someone to fill a void in their life (father figure) and are easy prey to become submissive and be easily controlled and abused... they usually have no self esteem and end up feeling important in a sort of sadistic way when these boys are dominant over them....it is sad. I have seen it happen with my own eyes
beautiful smart girls just looking to belong.

SO SAD!


christy   July 21st, 2010 7:30 pm ET

Miss Wade no makeup for you you choise that when you did to Sara!! I hope this girl dosnt get out or get her way.


Lori   July 21st, 2010 8:05 pm ET

It seems from all of you who have commented that you don't have a teenage daughter, or you have your eyes CLOSED shut. This type of incident can happen over anything, teens are very tough to raise and trust me this one (Rachel) was raised with very caring parents. There is absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind that she felt threaten, she grabbed something to defend herself, and she happened to get a direct hit. Trust me I feel so incredibly sorry for the family of the deceased, but it would have either been Rachel or Sarah that fatal night. Also, both families are suffering, one of the death of their beautiful daughter who had so much to live for, and PICKED a low life guy to control her. The other family is also experiencing a loss, whether the trial is conviction or not, there lives will never be the same again, NEVER.
And a quick comment on the make-up, this should show you that she is still a "child" in some respect, she needs support too.


Kim   July 21st, 2010 8:08 pm ET

I agree Pat. No man is worth fighting over. Ever.


Joyce In The Am   July 21st, 2010 8:45 pm ET

That makeup bit is part of the defense strategy to have Wade look like a cute, young professional instead of the street hoodlum she really was.

Sad, sad, sad, Wade killed Sare over a piece of crap boy she never had and now, never will have. What a waste.


Missy hart   July 21st, 2010 8:46 pm ET

You should love no man more then god first of all lots of young people don't no what love is,love is respect an obviously they both didn't know that,if they did Sara would be Alive an wouldn't be have this discussion.that's y it's very important that we tell our kids how beautiful they are an how much we love them everyday,not only tell them but show them what love is. Now look neither one won in the end buy satin who's out to still kill an destroy. My condolences go out to both families. Ima pray for Josh.


jross   July 21st, 2010 8:52 pm ET

Crazy. I live in a city in the interior of BC Canada and just over a month ago there was a similar situation in a very small town near our home in which a teenage girl stabbed another teenage girl to death at a houseparty. A second girl also received superficial wounds coming to her defence. The girl that was stabbed was crying "how could you do this? I would never do this." and died in the driveway before paramedics could get there. In this case they were all friends, had gone to school together from the time they were little and were all about to graduate. It makes absolutely no sense, but apparently it was also over some guy and something snapped.


dom   July 21st, 2010 10:27 pm ET

The question is why did racheal have a nife near her


DNR87   July 21st, 2010 11:13 pm ET

could be she's still dilusional about Mr Camacho and thought about looking "cute" for when he testified.


Karla   July 22nd, 2010 12:02 am ET

This is such a tragic thing.... It has impacted so many lives .. There is the victim and her family , the girl who did the crime and her family .. People who's lieves where changed not the minute the knife was drawn but the moment the first word was spoken, thought, texted... The butterfly effect... Litte , did these families know or think in thier wildest dreams that their daughter(s) when they were born to them would die in a violent way and the other one would be facing life in prison (toe tag) and die there when they both had like so many parents have hopes and dreams for their children. All one can do is visit a grave and the other go see them in prison and know that they will die there. The family of both are victims as well of this individual single action... It amazes ,me every day how the action of one person can have such a profound effect on so many peoples lives and the worst part about this is it is usually irrevesible ...


jet   July 22nd, 2010 12:04 am ET

Nobody is worth fighting over.She seemed to no she was coming,if she thought she needed protection/knife.Why didn't she have a peace bond against Sara.


jet   July 22nd, 2010 12:23 am ET

Maybe other young girls that is watching this,maybe in the same situation will learn this is not the answer.If a guy cares about you,you don't have to fight over him.


judy   July 22nd, 2010 9:32 am ET

I think the only part Joshua played in this incident was being a guy. Unfortunately there are a lot of them out there that are players and these girls were just not smart enough or mature enough to move on. I think there were too many threats by this girl and as far as I'm concerned this should be a first degree murder trial. Who carries a knife for no reason?


dano   July 22nd, 2010 9:37 am ET

This young lady will have many lonely days to look back at this terrible day in her life, to think about the life she took and the life she now has made for herself over a boy who doesn't even give a crap about her really.

When you really think about it, it just makes me sick to my stomach what young adults do to ruin their life's.


Bonnie   July 22nd, 2010 9:48 am ET

Josh and other guys like him needs to be held accountable for the game they are playing . Josh needs to be put on trail too.


Joynell   July 22nd, 2010 10:18 am ET

My question about this gun is that why would Rachel know about a text about a gun that was sent to Sarah. What does Joshua having a gun have anything to do with Sarah even if they both knew about this gun. I think because of the fact that Rachel had a knife and went for Sarah right when she cut the car off to me means she had intent to kill her. If they all got out of the car then it seems to me they would have attacked the passenger first because she would have been closest to her. I do have to say when the friends saw the knife then they should have tried to hold her back yelled knife in case she didn't see it because I would think that maybe she didn't because she was so upset and the friends should have called the police as soon as they saw the knife. Rachel should go to jail she took another persons life that didn't have any weapons on her at all. I would think if Sarah had a gun then she would have shot at her. Plus Rachel threw the knife away before the police got there if it where self defense then she should have kept the knife.


LeeAnne   July 22nd, 2010 10:49 am ET

Attorneys always make their clients look their best in court. Its not her, its her Attorney.. and she is allowed to wear makeup in Court. I work in the Court System and she is no different than any other person that comes thru.. she doesnt have hardly anything on compared to some that I've seen. Look at Casey Anthony, she isnt even at Trial and dresses the role now of "Ms Innocent" so why is this teenage any different. Stop criticizing her for every little thing, its not right. She has to look a certain way when she appears in court, thats just how it goes.


LeeAnne   July 22nd, 2010 10:54 am ET

Bottom line, Josh should be accountable for his role in all this as well. This guy played all 3 girls including the one he has a child with. He is a player, simple as that. I doubt this was a premeditated act, I believe she acted in self defense knowing what was going on. By the sounds of what was going on in Court. Sarah is no innocent bystander either, she was full of rage.. I am not saying what Rachel did was right by no means but if you look at the whole picture... Josh played these girls against each other to cause all this jealousy and anger and rage. Agree, any one could have gotten a protective or restraining order but they dont think that far ahead. I dont believe she intentionally meant to do any harm but we dont have all the information yet... we have to wait and see what she says on the stand.


SH   July 22nd, 2010 11:18 am ET

Janet Camacho lied on the stand yesterday. She had selective memory and wanted to show she didn't have a dog in the fight. Janet is 29 and still being with young people. She needs to grow up and stop making babies. She's up to 5 children – probably with different fathers. Just a shame. She should have counseled these young people. But, she decided to be involved in the situation.


Shay, NC   July 22nd, 2010 11:37 am ET

This case is tragic on so many levels. First we have Mr. Camacho, who apparently has such low self-esteem that he has to bolster his ego by indiscriminately boinking and/or impregnating any young woman he can get his hands on. If that's not enough, he then plays them against one another, encouraging them to fight over him. On the other hand, we have two beautiful young women who clearly have no idea who they are or what they're worth, who not only tolerate being used as Camacho's personal whoopy cushions, but actually obey him! As a result, one of these young women is dead and another faces the possibility of life in prison. For what? Camacho? Some prize.


Deborah   July 22nd, 2010 11:56 am ET

who removed the knife from this poor girls heart and threw it up on a roof ?


Joe   July 22nd, 2010 12:02 pm ET

Why are threats made months before so important. Who has not made threats in anger that they have no intention of acting? Why could she not have a knife to defend herself? Why did another witness yesterday afternoon refute the girls in the van? Maybe they were looking for Rachel? Maybe the defense can make the case? Is there reasonable doubt has to either an attack or defense?

Rachel has a chance to redeem her life?


renee saulsberry   July 22nd, 2010 12:04 pm ET

To be honest, everyone is accountable for their own actions. The Good Book that they swear on before they take the stand, says on the inside "Let no man provoke you". and that means no one can make you do something that you had not already be thinking of in the first place. So the dude is not responsible for that girls action. She already had made up her mind to do harm to this girl. Where did she get the knife? Did she have it when she was standing outside the girls house, or does she just ride around with a knife for protection? And if the other girl was so ready to fight why was the fight so close to the van?, If she infact ran towards the defendant which seems to be a lie. Only one person was out to do real harm and sad to say it was the defendant. If she can call someone and use such language she can do her time.


dauphin   July 22nd, 2010 12:08 pm ET

I think this is all about JEALOUSY!!!!! If Sarah was so scared for her life....Why would u go to CONFRONT the person who is making the threats???!!!! I believe if she would of went home instead of going other places she would prob. be here with us today!!!!


nita   July 22nd, 2010 12:11 pm ET

I truly feel sorry for the defense lawyers. They are going to have to put a lot of lipstick on this pig.

Think how differently this might have all turned out if these young people had learned to choose their friends wisely. Perhaps preparing for classes the next day, or being at home with their children at one in the morning, or preparing for the workday the following morning would have been better choices to have made.

No one is at fault in this fiasco except Rachel Wade. She chose to be with Joshua and put up with his behavior. She chose to make obscene calls, do drive-bys, and carry knives. She also probably chose not to listen to guidance and health teachers discuss self esteem in elementary, middle, and high school.


Nancy Mazo   July 22nd, 2010 12:14 pm ET

I think the whole issue here is two immature young women fighting over a jerk who nobody in their right mind would even want. What a low life this guy is. Two foolish girls fighting over a guy who doesn't really give a damn about them. The voice mails she left, however, I think are the smoking gun. She no longer appears as innocent as she might look. Sometimes you reap what you sow!!


Richard   July 22nd, 2010 12:23 pm ET

Vinnie, you indicated that the accused has been very emotional during today's trial-I don't see one tear, she continues wiping under her eyes but, where are the tears? Evidently her lawyer has told her to look upset and cry-No remorse whatsoever-Guilty!


Thelma   July 22nd, 2010 1:41 pm ET

This is a terrible young lady i'm 58 years old and I have never heard so many bleeps her mouth is foul and so is her attitude you can tell she is/was a problem child her parents should be glad to be rid of her for the rest of her natural or not life. This could have been avoided and all for a young man who didn't care for either girl or he wouldn't had #3, he's not to blame what young handsome man would want to settle down with 1, 2 or 3 girls, he has his future ahead and who know what the count will be before of if he settle down.


LeeAnne   July 22nd, 2010 1:50 pm ET

Yea so question is Josh's sister being the responsible adult at 28 yrs old in all this .. WHY didnt she STOP this from happening. That whole family makes me wanna puke, 5 kids at 28 give me a break, seriously another welfare incident obviously none of those people seem responsbile to hold down a reliable job. Second, why did Josh feel the need to move to NY.. why cant he sit and face his issues and the problems he created by setting up and playing both ends of the fence here with these girls, let alone getting another one pregnant. I believe Rachel acted in self defense.. contrary to whatever comments are on here.. give her the benefit of the doubt. Sarah is no innocent bystander or a saint here.. believe me.. the question is why didnt Janet stop all this from happening.. she was in the car, she knew what was going to happen... no one is any innocent person in any of this.. they should all be held responsible for allowing this to happen and NO ONE stopped it ........ Ms Pregnant for the 5th time lied on the witness stand and so did Jilica .. cant you people read between the lines in any of this ?


LeeAnne   July 22nd, 2010 1:51 pm ET

I believe Rachel was sincere today in show emotions.. god sakes people .. if she didnt show any emotion you'd be on her.. she shows emotion and you all criticize her.. cut her a break OK.. there are always 2 sides to everything.. we havent heard all of it yet.. I still hold Josh responsible for all this.. sorry, but its the legal in me that feels this way.


LeeAnne   July 22nd, 2010 1:55 pm ET

Janet Camache is a liar, lst class liar to protect the pervert brother Josh.... simple as that ...


Pamela   July 22nd, 2010 2:06 pm ET

I can't believe that young women of today can't see through a jerk like Joshua. Why isn't he on trial too ? If the truth be told I'm sure he probably ran his big mouth and made the situation worse between the girls , and then sat back and laughed as they fought over him.


LaRae   July 22nd, 2010 2:15 pm ET

Maybe someone should use this trial as a training aid in high schools to show what can happen when they let anger and jeolousy rules their lives. I know that I have taught my daughter the difference between right and wrong and that she is responsible for the choices she makes but at her age, I can't say for sure that she wouldn't get involved in something like this. We can't know what they will do, even with good parental upbringing!


monique   July 22nd, 2010 2:27 pm ET

I doubt this was self defence. Rachael chose to fight Sarah and probably expectedd to give her a scar on her face or something but.. ended up killing her.
Sure, she showed emotion and no doubt she realises now that she took a person's life over a man but everyone in jail sitting there with life sentences more likely has there reasons; from nature to nurture arguments, abuse: emotional, physical, neglect... IT DOES NOT EXCUSE IT!
I am tired of the law giving people excuses to justify their actions, Wade knew at the time exactly what would happen if a knife is involved in a fight. Just like a gun, someone is more likely to get hurt!


Soynadiea   July 22nd, 2010 2:39 pm ET

Ignorance is not bliss............
Ms. Wade is making a terrible mistake by taking the stand.
Her lawyer is going to take what ever money he can bleed from her family, and buy a new suit.
Ms. Wade is not going to walk out of this court room and live her dream, as if nothing has happened.
Murder is Murder. THIS WAS NOT SELF DEFENSE. She wanted to kill Sara. (I've been angry, and I mean really angry, ... but I have never thought about killing anybody.)
She had a choice.
Like........... staying in school, respecting her parents, choosing quality friends, enjoying her youth.
Her actions will forever change her life and those that know her.


Ellis   July 22nd, 2010 3:09 pm ET

I do not belive for 1 min. that these 3 girls went out for burgers. they went out looking for Rachel.they were told where she was and thats where they were headed. The sister and friend both got of that car with sarah with the intent as back-up if needed, and if Rachel was not alone, they would have jumped in.And rachel knew this,and is why she took protection with her.
As for rachel emotions, i am sure she knew she stabbed her.But kids have no understanding the fraility of the human body. There were 2 stab wounds.One to the shoulder.when the struggle went on, she struck again and that was the fatal one to the chest, which was self defence wound that ended in the death of that young lady.Rachel could not have known this had happened at the time.
Not saying she should not go to jail, but 2nd degree is a bit over the top. Both girls are at fault for this sad ending.The boyfriend is as much to blame for inciting these girls and not putting an end to this maddness.His name in his mind is MANCHO-MAN.


Frank Page   July 22nd, 2010 3:10 pm ET

All of the thugs have no morals and no self respect.


Danielle   July 22nd, 2010 3:11 pm ET

i live a couple blocks from where this happened and went to school with rachel although i didnt know her personally i still think its sad that both lives are ruined over this boy who is out running around probably doind it again i hold josh responsible as well ive been in a similiar situation with a guy and its not worth what you could lose


Elvis   July 22nd, 2010 3:12 pm ET

Words are words especially when your young. Those threats about killing and what not were made 5 months prior. I think if she really wanted to kill her she would have done it already. I say alot of the politicians should be shot does that mean I am going to do it, no. People say stuff like that out of hate and anger. Those girls were partying in the van and thought they could take on the world. They should have never pulled up there if they didnt want something to escalade from there, da!!!


Davina   July 22nd, 2010 3:14 pm ET

I think it is absolutely ignorant to even ask how responsible Joshua is for Ludeman’s murder. He is in no way responsible. Ms. Wade is clearly responsible for Ludeman’s murder. Regardless to how many women Comacho dated they are responsible for their own actions. All of the confrontations that lead up to this murder stem from both girls actions. Either of them could have left him alone after finding out about each other. Ms. Wade had enough common sense to know that she should take a knife for protection, but she obviously didn’t take the situation seriously because she didn’t think about the consequences of her actions. Ms. Wade could have left him alone at any time and because of that she should not be treated any different than the next or last murderer. Ms. Wade and her victim are responsible for their altercations not Joshua. They should not have kept dealing with him if they could not handle the reality of him being with other women. Ms. Wade took a knife for protection, but truthfully she didn’t have to go and she could have left Comacho alone. People need to accept responsibility for themselves and quit trying to blame others. No matter how she felt about him or how much in love she was, she had the power to omit herself from the equation then, and that is why she should be held 100% accountable.


Jesse Heart   July 22nd, 2010 3:18 pm ET

or worse yet, your children will be. You will teach them your ways through what they see you do in your life and when you see them in this situation , then it will remind you of what you were.... But now your children will pay for Your Ways!!


jon duncan   July 22nd, 2010 3:26 pm ET

one problem in america is being held accountable for our own actions...Sara ludeman's actions lead to her death..sara's own rage is as much a factor as anything in this case..If sara does not go looking for rachel and a confrontation than sara is alive today


SH   July 22nd, 2010 3:27 pm ET

Javier Laboy is lying – He has distorted the truth.


Carol   July 22nd, 2010 3:34 pm ET

Everyone is upset with Rachel but we only hear one side of this story and I will just bet the other girl is just as guilty of causing Rachel to go crazy as she did if she hadn't deleted what Sarah was saying to her none of this would be in court.

This horrible boy was loading the gun to go off and sat back and watched waiting to see who would be the first to react and I will just bet they were all higher than a kite and that is why it went the way it did and NOBODY is innocent in this story NOBODY including the girl that was killed they hated each other so much this is probably the only way it ended it just so happened that Rachel had the knife and Sarah didn't and that is fact NOBODY has said.


Joanne   July 22nd, 2010 3:42 pm ET

If this had been a 19 year old boy who stabbed & murdered another 19 year old boy over a girl (some girls play the same game Josh did) there would be no sympathy for him. Why did Rachel come out of the house if she was afraid? She was so afraid because there were 2 other girls with Sarah, she had 2 guy friends & a knife. I think Sarah should have been the scared one.


vanessa   July 22nd, 2010 3:47 pm ET

oh please ..i think all of them are responsible... even Sarah...i think Rachel did what she felt at the time was right ..i always say there are three sides to every story theres... hers... and the truth....give the girl a break


Robert   July 22nd, 2010 3:53 pm ET

I believe she stabbed her is self defense, this was a case where she was scared and there was more then one of them in that van and they were looking for a fight. On the other hand this boy they was fighting over should be just as responsible for sarahs death due, for he was the intaginizing them to fight and kept them in this triangle. He looks like a young thug wanna be anyways, i dont see why these young decent looking girls would even get mixed up with a guy like him.


SH   July 22nd, 2010 4:11 pm ET

Josha Camacho – just threw Rachel under the bus. He's another liar. Rachel is going to jail. Unless, she can testify otherwise.


sal   July 22nd, 2010 4:16 pm ET

after hearing the 911 tape of rachel maybe maybe not boyfriend janet was telling the truth you can hear on the tape when she first went after rachel the boyfriend was saying janet back up just back up and janet would`ent rachel just stab her friend.


wells   July 22nd, 2010 5:35 pm ET

Everyone who rushed to judgment against this younglady should feel
misinformed after todays testimony. Clearly the prosecution has a problem with their witnesses..none of them were credible. The fact that she took someone's life..she should be punished for, howvever these maniac girls were attacking her and last i knew in this country you have a right to defend yourself agains great bodily harm! Janet, and Joshua's parents if watching should be ashamed of the way these two turned out...weed smokin, gun totin, baby makin out of wedlock, with questionable morals and no regard for truth! Javier..good job! The truth could be extracted even though the prosecutor, who by the way, realizes she does not have a case..just went on a rant against you. God bless Sara's parents and Rachel and parents who has to live with this tragedy forever!


Margaret   July 23rd, 2010 2:03 am ET

I heard testimony that the three girls were ganging up on Rachel. What about the two GUYS that was waiting in the background with Rachel. How can the defense lawyers say Rachel thought Sarah has a gun! How dumb. Who will think that a knife will beat a gun? Rachel should have been questioning Josh not wasting time fighting Sarah. I think it was a matter of if I can't have him, neither will she. Sarah's out of the picture now and who is she leaning on? Think about it.


kelley warren   July 23rd, 2010 9:46 am ET

I believe it was in self defense. If three girls were acting as if they were going to jump her, she had the right to grab something for self defense. But I'm lost because for someone that can leave some mean messages sure wasent acting scared then. So why that day she felt the need to crab a knife. I thought she wanted to fight her.


Tammy   July 23rd, 2010 9:56 am ET

I have experience being afraid, I wore the shoes Rachel is wearing right now. A life was not lost in my situation but i did end up in jail. The other person always starts and then the finisher is always the bad person.
It is unfortunate a life has been lost. Sarah was no goodie. She's driving around looking for Rachel dating a guy im sure her parents didnt approve of. She's hanging with a 29yr old pregnant woman (who shouldve been home at that time of night with her feet up) who wanted to fight as well. Rachel protected herself and i hope and pray she is NOT convicted.


d miller   July 23rd, 2010 11:25 am ET

I think ms wade knew what she was doin she left the messages she had the knife and she never called the police to make report about the theats just because u lose a fight u can't stab someone.


Sasonia   July 23rd, 2010 12:41 pm ET

I haven't been able to watch the testimony this morning, I have it recorded to see this evening. However, I did watch all the prosecution witnesses and if I was on the jury I could not in good conscience convict her of second-degree murder. I would consider a type of manslaughter charge. Like I said though I haven't had a chance to hear and see everything. I honestly think that if she didn't have the knife that we would be watching a trail against the other three girls for assualt or murder right now. This is a tragedy no matter how you look it. It is also a reflection of how the attitude of the majority of this generation. I think Rachel should face some legal consequences for her actions however not in jail for the rest of her life.


John   July 23rd, 2010 1:22 pm ET

Rachel bringing a knife because of being fearful of Sarah's size is somewhat understandable however, she certainly didn't seem to be concerned with Sarah's size when she was leaving all the threatening voice mail messages which helped to escalate the situation. I believe that Rachel truly hated Sarah for being with Joshua and intended on carrying out her threat which was to stab her.


cookie   July 23rd, 2010 3:10 pm ET

I think the whole situation is crazy and that joshua should be the one on the stand for murder


David   July 23rd, 2010 3:11 pm ET

@Gary- their is a law like that, however in her situation. Sarah had NO weapon and Rachel knew that. Now if three of four people jumped Rachel, then we probably wouldn't be in court today. That law mainly applies to, say it is 2am and i am at home sleeping and i here someone breaking in through a window, Now it is dark so i can't see if they have a weapon but because they are the aggressor it is OK for me to assume they have one, in that case i can shoot without asking question and if they turn out to be un-armed, the phase "i thought my life was in danger and i was protecting me and my wife", that's all ya need.


Michael   July 23rd, 2010 3:14 pm ET

who cares about sara she threatened rachels life and rachel did what any human would do and that id protect herself this is classic case of self defense but once again the people around have never been in any type of threatening situation. You guys dont understand it, if she goes to jail justice was not served bottom line


Jesse Heart   July 23rd, 2010 3:42 pm ET

If Joshua and his sister get nothing for this murder neither should Rachal...Period...wish i was on that jury...


glorious77   July 23rd, 2010 5:45 pm ET

Love triangle??? How about LOSER triangle!


Roy Sagarin   July 23rd, 2010 5:50 pm ET

she was railroaded by the state.... she certainly had a right to defend herself from threats and an assault on the street... should reverse on appeal


Well   July 23rd, 2010 6:11 pm ET

I think everyone involved in this case is at fault. These two girls were both idiots for fighting over a complete loser who already had a child with a woman he describes as his "baby mama". I'm glad she was convicted of the crime she committed and the family of the deceased can now put this to rest. But honestly, what was to be expected?


DCM   July 23rd, 2010 8:14 pm ET

I can't believe the prosecution wittnesses as being credible. As the closing arguments for the defense pointed out several important incosistent accounts from each. One thought has resounded through my mind this entire trial. What were Sara and Ashley's parents doing letting her stay out this late with the family car on a school night? According to the calendar, April 14, 2009 was a Tuesday. Had they had a bit more structure on their high school daughters, maybe this could have been avoided all together. Sad situation all around.


Jack   July 24th, 2010 1:23 am ET

Any first year law student can see there are serious relevancy issues to be address on the appeal. The type of charge and evidence seriously contradict one another, second-degree murder isn't planned. To use recorded threats that are months old should have been admissable only in a first-degree muder case. I believe that when the retrial is granted months from now after the media has forgotten, the 8 month old threats will be ruled inadmissable.


briana greene   July 24th, 2010 1:36 am ET

i dated this jerk a few years ago and i WOULD NOT be in trial for an idiot like him both of these gurls wasted there time on him and one lost her life over foolishness. just a sad story and the person behind it could careless!!!


Debra   July 24th, 2010 11:37 am ET

It's so sad that a young girl lost her life and now the other one will spend a long long time in prison. Over what this guy that didn't care about either one of them. My heart and prayers goes out to sarah's parents who didn't even get to say goodbye to their daughter.


keke   July 25th, 2010 6:51 pm ET

Wade has no remorse, there were times during the trail where she had to force herself to cry even then I believe she cried not because she killed Sara but because she knew her life was over. 20 1/2 yrs? not quite long enough for me. In my opinion she deserved life w/0 parole. Her voicemails said it all. Killing Sara was her intention. I just feel so bad that such a young beautiful young lady lost her life over a guy who is worth less than gum under a desk


ROSALBA CHAVEZ   July 26th, 2010 12:07 pm ET

I believes that Janet and Joshua Camacho are the ones caused all this mess. The Camacho siblings are really a bad influence, selfish and dangerous people that should be on jail. The Camacho's should be the ones on jail, they were the instigators. I think Rachel Wade was hostigated and mentally torture by the Camacho's siblings. Both Ludeman and Wade were just victims of the devil mind of the Camacho's siblings. very surprise of the veredict. SHAME FOR THE CAMACHO'S.


shygurl   July 26th, 2010 1:24 pm ET

This case, and the results, are a perfect example of the lowering of standards that seem to be where we are headed in acceptable behavior between an entire generation of people. This is a sad case no matter how you look at it, but I cannot fault the jury for sending the message that the emails, voicemail messages, and behavior of two young women so obsessed by an arrogant selfish young man that one woman end up dead and another in prison...IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Listening to those who are suggesting that we should condone this type of behavior and write it off as "that's just the way we talk to each other – talking smack – because society has desensitized us" should wake people – and particularly the parents of a generation that would condone this behavior – up and start getting involved.


ginny77   July 26th, 2010 1:54 pm ET

This is a tradgey all way around, the young lady was just defending herself, like her boyfriend told her to do, this girl is not lieing.!! let her go, the boyfriend needs help of some kind. this girl will live with this for the rest of her life. i thnk she has suffered enough. this is just a tradgey. I'll bet she never fools with messed up people again. There was something wrong with the girl that died. Let this poor girl go.


Rose Mayfield   July 26th, 2010 11:44 pm ET

These are girls who started dating or having sex at young ages. Emotions (rejection and control) are developed during the teen years. Do you all understand now why parents do not agree with our young men and women dating too early in life? This is what can happen when a person has not developed control of their emotions. Like I told my daughters "Why would you want all the drama, you have plenty of time in your life for drama." I can bet you that this guy is laying in bed with some chick now. He's propably telling her "I was honest with them i don't know why this happen?" And the girl he's with most likely has the same personality or insecurities as the young ladies who have lost their freedom. God be with the families.


Shineeka   September 3rd, 2010 11:43 am ET

WOW so this is really pathetic. Why would you even think about stabbing someone over a guy? And they cant say that she is having some kind of emotional break down because obviously by the voicemails she has left, She is a killer. Her crying, its does nothing for her. She didnt know she stabbed her, Yea right!


Cathie   September 3rd, 2010 3:06 pm ET

BOTH girls are to blame for what happened. BOTH!! Rachel and Sarah BOTH caused what happened. Rachel Wade did not mean to kill anyone! She was only trying to defend herself against FOUR PEOPLE coming at her. She was only trying to defend herself against wekks and months of verbal attacks and threats from Sarah and friends.

Noone deserved to die. However, this should be a lesson for those who are in similar situations. Period. You play around, and throw out all those things, and someone will end up getting hurt.

This is not one sided. This was NOT all Rachel Wade's fault. Sarah was no angel. And she caused much drama to get things to the point they got to. Period.
BOTH girls are to blame and at fault. NOT just one!


Eric Wilson (orlando)   February 26th, 2011 5:27 am ET

Just the fact that Rachel was worried about her make-up only supports the fact that she is just a child. We have all felt jelousy and rage over a first love. (Why over this very unattractive guy, I still don't get) No, we don't all resort to violence...but it seems to me that Josh Camacho provoked all of this...and judging by his demeanor, I can bet money he is walking around bragging how he got two girls to fight to the death over him. He should be indicted for inciting violence/murder. And what about the parents? They seemed to be pointing fingers and not accepting the responsibility for their own child's actions. I don't recall seeing Josh's parents anywhere...even though their appearance might have been omitted from the footage I studied. But like the last post I read, this situation is not just one person's fault...all are to blame, including the parents. I don't care how old your child is, if they still live at home and you get a tax break because they are considered an exemption, then you are RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. I NEVER respond to things like this, but when I saw the story on dateline, I was disgusted...but not surprised. Our justice system is still not too far away from burning witches or pagan villages. Even with DNA and blood evidence, there is still proof of botches in crime labs...and even if someone has been convicted, and there is PROOF that they should be exhonerated...judges and prosecuters would rather see an innocent man/woman suffer than admit that they were mistaken. In this case...it's one girl taking the blame for MANY people's wrongdoings. When does it end?
It just makes me sad.



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