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May 17, 2010

Question of the day: Which is more powerful: prayer or medicine?

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Jessie   May 17th, 2010 10:14 am ET

To a Christian, there is nothing more powerful than prayer. To a non-believer I would say medicine is probably more powerful.


Joyce   May 17th, 2010 10:14 am ET

I believe in prayer and I also believe in medicine. I believe you must pray for guidance for your doctor or surgeon as well as your recovery.
God made physicians to help heal us.


Tyra O'Hara   May 17th, 2010 10:15 am ET

God created man with the intelligence to discover and manufacture medicine, therefore I consider medicine a blessing from god. Through that blessing, god has answered many prayers and saved countless lives. However, prayer is very important. God always answers prayer!!! It's just not always the answer we want.


neal   May 17th, 2010 10:15 am ET

i think healing medicine comes from prayer.


jessica   May 17th, 2010 10:17 am ET

Medication and prayer are both powerful people tend to forget god gave man the knowledge and know how to help people in the time of need . people tend to forget that god has the say if it is your time .


Carol G   May 17th, 2010 10:17 am ET

Definitely medicine, because God has made it possible for the healing powers through plant life, and other means on this earth.
Prayer is a very powerful addition i would say though.

Carol G – Ohio


Diane Sower   May 17th, 2010 10:18 am ET

If you don't believe in prayer, then medicine is more powerful. If you believe in prayer, then both prayer and medicine are powerful. If the person is dying and nothing else can be done, prayer is more powerful as it gives comfort, and, occasionally we see miracles.


Ann Jones   May 17th, 2010 10:19 am ET

Of couse God is more powerful! He created man and allowed man to create medicine, but He did that for a reason. I have personally seen the miracles of God, and know that prayer works, but He would want us to utilize every known avenue to remedy a situation that is life threatening, which would include prayer AND medicine..


Evelyn Jonas   May 17th, 2010 10:21 am ET

I believe in prayer, but I also believe in good medical help. I believe that prayer is more powerful than medicine. I also believe that you should pray for a good Christian doctor.


Eve Newbrough   May 17th, 2010 10:21 am ET

I believe that prayer and medicine each address different needs. Prayer is for spiritual matters and medicine is for physical need. Prayer is not like a takeout order where you can demand or expect to get exactly what you asked for; nor is medical science without limitations. In what I have observed of the Beagley case it appears to me that this father was attempting to meet his own emotional need by spiritual means thereby failing to address any need appropriately. Now the only recourse is a legal remedy aimed at a crime against reasonable religious beliefs and society's desire to provide reasonable care to every child.


Linda   May 17th, 2010 10:21 am ET

If you believe in God and your faith. where is the common sense that God gives the doctors the knowledge to know what to do when people are afflicted. I strongley believe you should consult Doctors and then ADD PRAYER. God helpes thoes who first helps themselves!


Pat   May 17th, 2010 10:23 am ET

My answer to the question of the day is " I hope my doctor believes in God".


John Griffeth   May 17th, 2010 10:24 am ET

Both are powerful. But back in the old day before autopsies. This death would have been considered Natural Causes. My Dad just passed away from cancer. All he ever complained about was his shoulder hurt. No one new he had cancer till he went to the doc. So was my Mom negligent for not getting him to the doc sooner. He had been getting normal checkups but the doc's never seen the cancer. So who's fault was that. He died 2 days after being diagnosed. People die its part of life. They are raking these people over the coals because of there faith.


LaJune Archie   May 17th, 2010 10:24 am ET

I don't think the 2 are comparable! Prayer is of God, medicine is of Man!.....but, God put medicine here for a reason, not a challenge or debate!


Elena   May 17th, 2010 10:25 am ET

Pray is by far more powerful. Where the confusion comes is when people think it is just positive thinking or they are truly not in faith and they do not see their prayer answered. Contrary to what some believe there is a right and wrong way to pray. Then those who see this say that prayer does not work but there are SO many doctor verified miracles that medicine had nothing to do with. So the power of prayer cannot be denied. However, taking medicine is not a sin, it does not show a lack of faith and no where in scripture is God opposed to the use of medicine.


Carole   May 17th, 2010 10:25 am ET

They are both powerful but for different reasons. Powerful medicine heals the body, but powerful prayer heals the soul.


Sandy   May 17th, 2010 10:26 am ET

I believe in the Power of Prayer but I also Believe that God gives us Wisdom to be able to get any medical help needed in helping our babies !!!!


SCOTT   May 17th, 2010 10:26 am ET

I think prayer was more powerful before medecine was made. Now Medecine is more powerful. Praying is more like a sugar coat for hope.


Carole   May 17th, 2010 10:27 am ET

They are both powerful but for different reasons. Powerful medicine heals the body, while powerful prayer heals the soul.


MARIE   May 17th, 2010 10:29 am ET

I think that prayer is powerful combined with medicine, and medical assistence.


Diane Williams   May 17th, 2010 10:30 am ET

God did not give us the spirit of fear. He also have us wisdom and common sense. Their is nothing wrong with prayer because I nelive in the power of prayer.but if I feel the need to go to the doctor to get checked out I'm going. I love God and I also love life. They should have taken their son to the doctor. I love my children to much to let them suffer if I know I can help them get better.


Deb Berger   May 17th, 2010 10:31 am ET

they are both powerfull but God does not say to take medicine. Prayer and medicine both work together


Roger GregoR   May 17th, 2010 10:31 am ET

Medicine is more reliable but very expensive, prayer is cheap and easy for mostly ignorant Americans.


Kelly   May 17th, 2010 10:32 am ET

It really depends on what you believe in. If its in ones religion not to seek medical care and instead pray for your healing and accept whats coming to you than you cant really charge someone for that. There is power in both. To me its mind over matter.


Sherrie   May 17th, 2010 10:33 am ET

I believe that prayer and medicine should go hand in hand. God has given us(humans) the ability to learn how to heal the body with medicine and technologhy and to use prayer in the process of healing the spirit in order to help the sick overcome illness. And together this makes the healing process possible.

Sherrie Columbia, S.C.


Alma   May 17th, 2010 10:35 am ET

Medicine is more powerful...prayer is just words in the wind.


Miriam Anne Plack   May 17th, 2010 10:40 am ET

This is a loaded question. It's like comparing apples and oranges. One is not substitute for the other. Prayer is more powerful, but does not preclude the use of medicine. God is the Great Physician, but no where in the Bible does it say we should not seek medical help elsewhere. A combination of prayer and medicine would be the way to go.


Judy Guillot   May 17th, 2010 10:44 am ET

They are both very powerful, especially when used in conjunction with one another. It would never occur to me to have medical treatment without prayer. I also pray for my doctor to perform to the best of his abilities.

Judy
Long Beach, MS.


Joyce Sibson   May 17th, 2010 10:47 am ET

MEDICINE

Without moderation, believers in superstition can cause harm to themselves and others.


Linda Schartiger   May 17th, 2010 10:48 am ET

I believe that prayer and medicine go hand in hand, is this not why all hospitals have chapels...


Stephanie   May 17th, 2010 10:48 am ET

Prayer is powerful, but the idea of using medicine wasn't
created just for the non-believers.


Kenneth Stewart   May 17th, 2010 10:51 am ET

Prayer is more powerful than any medicine! but God did give us common sense to use the doctors that he has given the knowledge and ability to help treat and in some cases cure our ailments.


Ruth   May 17th, 2010 10:51 am ET

The effect of prayer is only based on the level of your faith/belief. Everybody and anybody can rat off a prayer, but prayer in and of it self is nothing, what makes prayer works for anybody is the faith behind those words. The same can be said of medicine, we've seen numerous cases were people still die even after treatment.
But I believe that those two go hand in hand. Faith is action, so if I'm sick and I say a prayer, God expects me to act on my faith by taking medication which He in turn will use to heal me. But don't get me wrong, I do believe that God is more than able to heal anyone without the help of any medication, again it's based on your faith....


Pat   May 17th, 2010 10:51 am ET

Prayer is more powerful according to your Faith in God that he can and will heal and deliver, God also speaks to the heart's of man that, they will be able to do things to help their sister's and brother's in christ. One must also remember that God has given man Knowledge and Wisdom to know certain things, so when we pray we must believe and know that God can do anything, but fail and we have to listen to the Spirit of the Lord speak to our Heart on what to do and how to do it. It's not just praying until God moves but it's about us praying and hearing the Spirit of God on what to do and How to do it. There are times when one is praying and the Spirit of God will speak to our heart and say get up and go the Hospital for the Lord is already there speaking and moving in the Doctor as we are praying. God does not make any mistake's, there are time's when just don't listening because we are exspecting things to hav


sandy folsom   May 17th, 2010 10:52 am ET

i guess i would have to say prayer,along with medicine.medicine usually will work,depending on the illness.anyone with common sense,would take the child to the doctor,whether the child wanted to or not.they as parents are responsible for their child or children.there should be a law against the religion interfereing with the descission on health care.this kind of death ,i feel could have been avoided,had the child went and got treated by a doctor. sandy


Ginny   May 17th, 2010 10:52 am ET

Prayer and medicine are equally powerful. After receiving the medicine, you need to pray that it will cure the illness.


Carolyn   May 17th, 2010 10:52 am ET

Prayer is very powerful, but the Bible tells us that "God helps those who help themselves". We were given minds and the power to use them for our advancement and well-being. This includes medicine and health care.


Shelley W   May 17th, 2010 10:54 am ET

As the mother of a child with a chronic illness, I pray everyday that through medicine a cure will be found for my child. Maybe the parents need to pray for some common sense and as far as the grandmother and aunt, I'm thinking they need some kind medicine to help improve their memories.


Barbara   May 17th, 2010 10:54 am ET

It's been said that we should " pray for a good harvest, but keep on hoeing!" . To expect healing to be handed to us without effort on our part is to, ignore the obvious.


Dixie Hereford   May 17th, 2010 10:57 am ET

I think that prayer is more powerful. God gave us medicine to heal the sick so I'd say pray for his healing while you give him the medicine he needs.


p /south carolina   May 17th, 2010 10:58 am ET

prayer & medicine go hand in hand. God gave man the ability to cure. OUR FAITH IN GOD is tied to the ability of the physician whose hand is guided by GOD,, THEREFORE, if we pray that GOD guides the physician there should not be a conflict, why do we as a society always have to the line drawn, to either or.


jim huff   May 17th, 2010 10:59 am ET

Unless your superstious it has to be medicine.


Lynnette Katzenberg   May 17th, 2010 10:59 am ET

I believe there is nothing more powerful than prayer, but also believe doctors and medicine are put in place as avenues to healing.


Ruth   May 17th, 2010 11:00 am ET

There's a story of a man who lived in a small town that got flooded and the state sent rescuers to help the people out but this particular man refused to go with them on three different occasions saying that he believes God will save him, well he ended up drowning...
How much clearer can God be, sending rescuers your way three different times? God loves us displaying our faith in Him, but He's also asked us to be wise. God works in myserious ways, which means He can use any means to heal or save a life. Taking medication is not a sin, in fact it is an act of your faith.


Bernard   May 17th, 2010 11:00 am ET

Prayer is more powerful than Medicine. But in the Bible, in Matthew 9-12 Jesus himself said- " They that are sick are in need of a Doctor."


shirleyheard   May 17th, 2010 11:01 am ET

prayer should go hand in hand with medicine. Please stop killing our children in the name of religion


Walter Kingsley   May 17th, 2010 11:03 am ET

I think that Prayer is more powerful then Medicine. But God said to help your self and he would help you. So with the medication you are helping your self and Prayer goes with it. Where would we be with out faith?


Julie O:Connell   May 17th, 2010 11:05 am ET

I believe prayer is very imporant but alot of times You need medicine to go along with Your prayers.


Sarah   May 17th, 2010 11:07 am ET

Do we ask God for the money to pay our bills , or for the strength and tools needed to pay it? Isn't praying blindly for a cure the same thing. God has given us the strength and tools needed to survive. Those tools are called DOCTORS, hospitals and medicine!


Cherie Eggers   May 17th, 2010 11:10 am ET

Medicine has extended life with a good quality of living. Go back to the 1800's, see the success rate of prayer during 1800's compared modern medicine of today. Prayer is good for the mind the heart, medicine is good for the body.
Cherie
Huntington, NY


Pat   May 17th, 2010 11:12 am ET

Prayer is more poweful according to your Faith in God that he can and will Heal and Deliver. God also speaks to the heart's of man by the spirit which help us to make intelligent decissions. One must remember that God has also given man the Knowledge and Wisdom to know certain things, so when we pray we have to be will to be obedient to the Spirit of the Lord on how to do things and When to do them and be quick about it, for it doesn't take the Lord to do anything when it comes to Healing and Delivering us out of the Enemy hand's. Remember that Faith is the substance of things hopeful and the evidence of things not seen, meaning sometime's the Spirit will say go to the hospital for I am already their I'm just waiting on you and I already have the Doctor's in place to treat you illness just trust me for I am able to move and work thru anyone who is will to Trust in me. That's the power of prayer is Trusting in God's decission for Our Life and Love One's regardless of the out come. When we seek first the Kingdom of God and his Righteousness everything else just fall's in place because we know he's not going to mislead us. I Pray that, there Faith in God will allow them to Endure as they go thru this trial and tribulation, knowing that God is the only one who can deliver them out inspite of the outcome of the Trial.


Karen   May 17th, 2010 11:15 am ET

This grandmother is obviously wearing perscription eye glasses and she stated she saw a dentist, I feel they see a doctor when it is
conveinent to them. Why not pray for God to restore her eye sight?
Prayer is powerful but I feel physicians are blessed by God with the ability to heal.


Kate Slane   May 17th, 2010 11:18 am ET

I have a question. If there is car accident and one car is a Protestant and the other car is Faith Healer, both have cuts and a broken leg. An ambulance comes. They take the Protestant in for care. What would the Faith Healer do? I'm really interested in the answer to this if anyone knows.


Anna   May 17th, 2010 11:24 am ET

PRAYER if you believe in any religion is the only answer. I live in Oregon City and had there not been some internal legal issues relating to the former DA and DA during this case. I live in Oregon City and grew up here, while I attended a Catholic church I drove passed that church for 30yrs. They weren't different from anyone else at the store or bank etc.


John Johnson Q.O.T.D.   May 17th, 2010 11:26 am ET

Hello cohorts,
The combination of medicine and prayer will provide the most powerfull results, while competition between the two drains the individual power source. It should not be medicine or prayer, it should be medicine and prayer together working for a better whole. The sum of the parts are more powerfull than any one part.
John
San Diego, CA


elnetia   May 17th, 2010 11:26 am ET

Prayer and Medicinework together. TAKE The medicine then PRAY it works!


judy in Florida   May 17th, 2010 11:28 am ET

Obviously....MEDICINE!!!


Sherry   May 17th, 2010 11:30 am ET

I believe prayer is stronger!!!!


Laurie   May 17th, 2010 11:30 am ET

If we were meant to rely soley on faith for healing, why were we given the power if medicine. Science and faith work together to heal.


Adrianna   May 17th, 2010 11:31 am ET

Prayer DOES work!! Faith in God is the best medicine. But God has blessed doctors with knowledge, talents and wisdom to treat people, and He uses them in healing processes. It is not disobedience to go to doctors.


margarett owens   May 17th, 2010 11:31 am ET

prayer is very powerful but the lord gives us the knowledge to know when we need a doctors help.anyone would know that our children would not keep the flu for that period of time


Tricia   May 17th, 2010 11:33 am ET

I have seen people take medicine and not pray and die. I have seen people pray without medicine and be healed. I have heard of people doing both praying and getting medical attention and some are healed and some die. I have a friend who's husband shot himself in the head and lived. Unless these parents directly CAUSED the death, this is just another reason to get people all upset and those who practice their faith.


Marsha   May 17th, 2010 11:34 am ET

Prayer is certainly more powerful. But I think God does his part but we are responsible for doing ours. I certainly don't blame anyone for believing in prayer because essentially it is Gods will that preceeds everything but it is a shame that what Neil Beagley had could have easily been taken care of with drugs. I don't think God would find fault in giving medicine.


margarett owens   May 17th, 2010 11:36 am ET

prayer is very powerful but we also need meds to heal


Monica   May 17th, 2010 11:36 am ET

Prayer is extremely powerful. The child had an illness that doctors could treat. The Lord did not give knowledge to those who treat illnesses without expecting people to utilize them. This is a tough case because of the religious aspect. Pray and use the medications to help with illnesses. That seems like common sense! The parents obviously expect someone to pay. Maybe they should pray about suing (considering this is a Christian family)


Courtney PA   May 17th, 2010 11:36 am ET

To each his own. However, when a child's well-being is at risk medicine is far more powerful than pray.


alan walker (TX)   May 17th, 2010 11:38 am ET

Ask the grandmothers who was qualified to diagnose flu-like symptoms; how did laying on of hands work out for Neil??


margarett owens   May 17th, 2010 11:39 am ET

both are equally important


Anna   May 17th, 2010 11:39 am ET

Prayer if you believe in any religion. I live in Oregon City and had not there been some elections between the former and DA at that. time this case would never have seen the light of day. These people weren't different or under a veil.I'm not a member. I attended Catholic Church if I even thought about birth control oh my goodness!


Kim Jones   May 17th, 2010 11:39 am ET

People need to come out of the dark ages. We live in a time with technology. Things like this should'nt be happening. Knowledge is the only truth that can and will help.


Gwen from Dunedin FL   May 17th, 2010 11:42 am ET

Being scientificly-minded, I know that "BELIEF" in prayer has been proven valuable in healing. However, it is OBVIOUSLY no substitute for medical treatment.


Beth   May 17th, 2010 11:45 am ET

It is medicine. And the grandmothers must also think so, since they both wear eye glasses that you can only get from a doctor. So they both have had to go to a doctor. I guess it's only okay for them but they will let their children and grandchildren die. All the women are wearing makeup. Where did they get that. At the drug store or a big box store where it is always located close to the medicine. I think they are liars and murderers. Both grandmothers sat on the stand and lied. Both saying they can't remember what happened the day that their grandson died. Parents and grandparents should be charged with murder for the death of both children.


Carolyn Jaros   May 17th, 2010 11:47 am ET

Sometimes the answer to prayer is medicine.


John Johnson Q.O.T.D.   May 17th, 2010 11:48 am ET

Vinnie,
Medicine is a result of answers to our prayers. The ability to learn and medical advancement are gifts from God.

John
San Diego


Carolee Dobson   May 17th, 2010 11:49 am ET

Depends on your goal...Prayer might get you to heaven, but medicine might postpone the trip


Lisa S   May 17th, 2010 11:49 am ET

In my opinion medicine and prayer are both very powerful. I think medicine combined with prayer is the most powerful. I believe that God uses people to help answer prayers. These people are doctors, friends, etc... Prayer alone can not heal a person.


Kay   May 17th, 2010 11:53 am ET

The Lord gives a Gift of the Holy Spirit called HEALING.
The Bible say's many can get this gift even before they become true Christians. God has a plan for everyone.

I believe some doctors. not all (satan does work his power thru fakes), could have this Gift & not know it is Him yet.
I believe the "urge" to go into one career or another may be a sign of which Gift you have been given.

The Lord is working through the Holy Spirit to a doctor w/ this Gift & his job is to use that Gift to help God's children.

We have to trust & LISTEN & SEEK these w/ this Gift & pray for BOTH the patient & the person w/ the Gift..

But He has the final choice.


Deborah Burdette   May 17th, 2010 11:54 am ET

Medicines and medical science are gifts from God. They should be used with prayer and thanksgiving. Prayer is a gift and through it we ask God to bridge the gap of our inadequacies.

Deaborah
Muskogee, Ok.


Lena Smith   May 17th, 2010 11:56 am ET

You ask that if prayer is stonger than medicine, we all have a different level of faith. The bible tells us that some things comes by fasting and praying(Matthew 17:20&21). God is the first doctor (he healed the blind man without any medicine, he raised a man from the dead with no medicine) and he will be the last. We are in the ladder days and God are taking his people home. So whose to say that if this child would have went to the hosipital that he would be with us today. My prayers and thoughts goes out to these parents and the people that do not believe that prayer can change things even when it comes to the medical part of this world.


Sharon Cook   May 17th, 2010 12:00 pm ET

I think that medicine was made possible through religion and prayer, in the form of DOCTORS! I don't think it is to long a leap to conclude that the Lord provided the intelligence to enable the doctors and medicine of today.


Patricia Modale   May 17th, 2010 12:01 pm ET

If prayer were more powerful than medicine nobody would die......it is your responsibility as a parent to do all you can to protect and keep your children healthy.....i feel these parents should be punished and not allowed to have more children....simple as that.....


carol collier   May 17th, 2010 12:05 pm ET

i am also a christian who very much believes in the power of prayer, however, we also know that the lord gives our doctors the brains and knowledge to heal our physical bodies with meds, treatments and surgery. God knows what we need before we ask but wants us to pray for our needs.our bible was not to be taken literally. thanks.we will pray that the Christ followers will grasp the true meaning and seek professional help for sick family members

thanks`


Carol Johnstone   May 17th, 2010 12:06 pm ET

I believe you need both at times. Prayer and medicine. God gave man the knowledge to learn about the human body and what helps to heal it. We still don't have a cure for everything but we've come along way.
As far as Neil deciding because he was only 16; when I took my children to the Drs. I was allowed in for the office visit and was asked if the treatment or whatever was okay. Suddenly, when I took my child to Drs. I was not allowed in because my child was 16 and it was against her privacy as to what she would tell Dr. and what treatment she would want. It was now to be her decision.


patricia   May 17th, 2010 12:06 pm ET

they go hand in hand...GOD puts drs" on this earth to help the suffering and they save MANY WITH his help....


Olivia Baird South Carolina   May 17th, 2010 12:06 pm ET

Prayer is more powerful than anything man alone can do. However, God expects us to use EVERYTHING within our power to keep our bodies, His temple, healthy. Christ thought so much of physicians He chose Luke who is referred to in the Bible as "beloved".


Allie   May 17th, 2010 12:11 pm ET

Prayer and Medicine go hand in hand. God gives us the technology and the intelligence to find treatments for conditions; if he didn't want us to use medicine he wouldn't have given it to us or given us the ability to practice it. The fact that the mother seeks medical treatment for something as ridiculous as a ingrown toenail and birth control, but doesn't seek out medical help for her son, is negligence. If her defense is that her faith doesn't allow it, then her case is out the window, because she sought medical health for trivial matters, which means she's not a strict believer and shouldn't have had any hesitations to take her son to the hospital; she is his mother and she should decide for her son who obviously didn't understand the severity of his illness. A reasonable person is able to make a distinction between having the flu that lasts for a week and having an illness that doesn't go away after months, despite anointment and prayer!


Velinda baker   May 17th, 2010 12:24 pm ET

Both because with god nothing would be possible. I'm a disabled navy veteran of 13yrs and god has done so many wonderful things for me I couldn't even be able to live day to day without the power and strength god gives me. But I also believe in medicine because since I was injured while in the navy, some doctors have been a god send. But now the doctors have told me I'm at the stage were all the doctors have told me "there's noting more we can do for u so u need to learn to live with the current status of your conditions" which are very serious. I wish more people believed in gods gifts to heal. Thanks.

Velinda "Ohio"


Karen F   May 17th, 2010 12:25 pm ET

Good Question!
Prayer is more powerful. Medicine is more powerful when it's time for medicine! The answer require wisdom in each situation. Wisdom, not religion. God gives wisdom thru the Lord Jesus Christ, not thru cults, not thru religious cults.
Have faith, believe AND use wisdom!


Cheryl M.   May 17th, 2010 12:26 pm ET

Members of churches that practice prayer in lieu of seeking medical help adhere to a religious belief devoid of reason and common sense. To uphold a belief that ignores the proven healing properties of medicine in favor of religious practices that have proven to be woefully and tragically ineffective, shows the mindlessness of such a belief. It is truly difficult to understand how anyone can embrace such a religion.

Is it mere coincidence that one of the underpinnings of these churches is to confer authority upon male members to make life and death decisions well beyond the intellectual and educated capacities of these individuals? Their convictions reek with arrogance, and too many of their children are sacrificed to these insupportable beliefs, dying from conditions that can be addressed by medical science.

What shame and folly to be mindless followers of such quackery.


Michaele Antwiler   May 17th, 2010 12:26 pm ET

Okay, so God can heal physical illnesses through prayer, but he doesn't heal dental problems or birth control. Neal's mother went to a doctor for birth control and they all went to the dentist, this interpretation of God's power is very creative and self-serving.


jill   May 17th, 2010 12:29 pm ET

Faith,love,laughter are all important in the healing process but that is followed by medical attention first. I also think that child protective services needs to be brought into this "religion"and thoroughly check these parents out.I have seen the state get involved in much less. This is not unconditional love for your child and a 16 year old is not mature enough to make the decision like this they are thinking of what they've been taught from their parents and their faith. This case has really upset me in so many ways. I'm sorry to say this but God would not want a parent to treat their child like this and to have a child go through pain like this, this is so ungodly and in return everyone gets back what they deserve and i hope these parents get the sentence,in gods eyes and the justice system, they deserve.

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Jennifer of McDonough Ga   May 17th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

Pray is more powerful then medicine because with out pray through christ it would not be any medicine.


Lakia   May 17th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

Prayer is more powerful; however, God can and often uses medicine/doctors to heal.


Kristen   May 17th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

Medicine!! The death rate would drop dramatically if we all depended on prayer.


Peggy B   May 17th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

Medicine is more powerful than prayer. Medicine actually does something.


Robert   May 17th, 2010 12:31 pm ET

I don't believe that just prayer or medicine alone is enough. I think a combination of both is more powerful than just one.


Debbie   May 17th, 2010 12:31 pm ET

Prayer is powerful. The answer to prayer leads to medicine when ill.


Judy   May 17th, 2010 12:33 pm ET

I think medicine is more powerful when prayer isn't working. I wonder if the reason the boy said he didn't want to go to the hospital is because he had never gone and he was scared to go. You don't know what the parents had said about the drs. and hospitals seeing they don't believe in them. If the boy had had good thoughts about drs and hospital I am sure he would have wanted to go. It should be against the law in some of these religions or cults that look down on going to the drs. They apparently don't think much of their children to watch them suffer when they are so bad. They think more of their religion than their own children.


Verlance   May 17th, 2010 12:34 pm ET

Prayer always has and will always be stronger than medicine. Prayer goes to the creator, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Medicine only exists because God created it and gives it power to cure people. God didn't fail because this young man died even though his family prayed that he would be healed. God has a plan for everyone. The only test here is the world is challenging God by putting this family on trial. Jesus brought Lazarus back from the dead, to show us that he can do anything!

Byram, MS


Austin Hubbard   May 17th, 2010 12:36 pm ET

There is no reason to believe that the answer to your prayers for healing does not come in the form of medicine. We may pray to be healed of a certain disease and God sends us a doctor that knows of a presscription that will heal us. There is no biblical evidence or logical reasoning to believe that medicine is evil or is not supported by God.

To answer the questions of which is more powerful. God is the most powerful being in the universe, but that is no reaosn to let God run our lives for us. We have free will and we should exercise that in all areas of our lives including choices of our health.


Michelle   May 17th, 2010 12:36 pm ET

Both are important. You can pray for the doctor treating the patient. Believers know that God can use medical professionals to provide healing. It seems that by relying on the laying of hands as the sole method, there is a lack of faith that God can use anyone/anything to provide healing.


carol kesling   May 17th, 2010 12:38 pm ET

i think prayer is very powerful.. but i do think god does have a hand in medicine !! there is no problem with using both in this extremes....


Dianne W.   May 17th, 2010 12:46 pm ET

Prayer and medicine I believe go hand in hand. Prayer for comfort and guidance and medicine to correct the medical problem. Trust me that is the only way I have gotten through my stroke and pain from and surgeries. It also has gotten me through addiction.
Thank you
Dianne W.


randy   May 17th, 2010 12:52 pm ET

Neither is better than the other. Doctors fail patients all the time in our medical system due to either over confidence or not doing a thourough investigation into their symptoms. Prayer also fails people because they dont see the bigger picture that if it is their deity's will for that person to live or die it will happen regardless. We as a people fail to realize that our species has lived thousands of years without modern medicine and religion, and it is in the order of nature that we were able to evolve to create these structures that we hold so dear in our hearts today.


michael iovine   May 17th, 2010 12:52 pm ET

It is not the healthy who need a doctor,but the sick. mark 2:17jesus stamp of approval on the medical field a needed and honorable profession.


Robert   May 17th, 2010 12:54 pm ET

Prayer cannot save the terminally ill, no matter how hard one may pray, nor could prayer have prevented that illness. Its really Science VS. Superstition in most cases. I feel bad for the cancer patient that relies on the latter....


Sue A Lee   May 17th, 2010 12:59 pm ET

Both prayer and medical treatment important – did God not create physicians too? It seems this religion is making a statement that physicians / medical treatment is evil.


Doug   May 17th, 2010 1:00 pm ET

First you get all the help available through our world class medical system. Get 2nd and 3rd opinions if necessary. If then you feel that you need the help of a "higher power," go for it, but be sure to consult with the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy and Santa Clauss.


Everett   May 17th, 2010 1:00 pm ET

I think that the question compares two different things. Prayer is not available for objective analysis: did it work or did it not? Medicine is open to scientific proof: did it work or did it not? It is a false dichotomy to compare prayer and science, which is where cults like Followers of Christ get off track.

Prayer has to do with faith and hopes. Medicine has to do with scientific facts. Two entirely different things. One cannot be substituted for the other, though both can be practiced for the right purposes.


Miki   May 17th, 2010 1:02 pm ET

Prayer is definitely powerful. People may disagree on whether there is a God or not, but that is not the case. There is a multitude of data that links psychological factors to health benefits. Having faith in something and being positive has psychological effects that benefit the body. Healthy mind, healthy body.
Additionally, it is naive to think that medicine does not have any benefit at all. I think that both means are effective in different ways-and, in the same way (blank medicine works sometimes, too, because of the pyschological effect people have on themselves when they think they are actually getting medicine).
Overall, despite how sick the boy was, we cannot judge his mental health and his faith. In this case, it may be more beneficial for medicine to be taken into account. However, we cannot force anyone to go against their religious beliefs despite the best intentions.


Wendy   May 17th, 2010 1:04 pm ET

God does not want us to live in a vacuum. Some of the gifts He gives us come in the form of people around us: friends, family, grocers, repair men, teachers, doctors.... Prayer is wonderful and necessary. But it's only part of the picture. We can't jump off a bridge onto a busy freeway and pray that God will save us. He gives us free will and common sense– and wants us to use them both, praying for His guidance along the way. Healing and the ability to cure illness is a God-given gift.


susan   May 17th, 2010 1:06 pm ET

I am a christian and prayer is above all to me.
I however can see all views and another way to phrase this for non religious people is what is more powerful, medicine or belief.
It is being proven more each day the the power of positive thinking can itself cure illness. If you believe you are going to get better from something that is half the battle. Look at the placebo effect.
More important, I believe the state has no right to condemn how these people choose to live or die. I think they suffered enough with the loss of their son. If we understand or not the way of life it is not for us to stop them from living it.


Lacy   May 17th, 2010 1:18 pm ET

It really depends on the situation. If the persons life is at stake, I think, if you're a religious person, prayer as well medical treatment should be used as means of help for that person, With that said, you can have the symptoms of say, the flu, and it be so much more serious. Regardless whether you think the health issue is serious or not, medical advise should be taken into consideration.So, I wouldn't say prayer is more powerful, and I wouldn't say medicine is more powerful, it's differs person to person.Looking specifically at one thing is in a sense bias. I would however say,not to souly rely on medicine, and do not souly rely on prayer. Medicine is never 100% effective, and prayer, is based on belief, faith, and a bit of chance. Again, I feel this question is a bit bias, due to the manner it's state. As I have stated, personally, I do not feel prayer is more powerful than medicine and vise-versa, to me, they go hand in hand.


Kim   May 17th, 2010 1:20 pm ET

As a Christian and the parent of a child with an untreatable, incurable genetic condition, I pray doctors discover a medicine that will help him.


Juanita   May 17th, 2010 1:22 pm ET

I believe in prayer very much and prayer if very prowerful, however commen scence is to take you child to the doctor. There are many times God uses man to heal.


Carol M   May 17th, 2010 1:23 pm ET

I believe they both play a part in healing. I think the bigger question is why are these people allowed to choose who gets to see a physician. I have knoen many people of this religion who have seen ophthalmologists and have had cataract surgery.


Susan   May 17th, 2010 1:25 pm ET

You can thank God in prayer for sending the medicine to heal the children.


marilyn jones   May 17th, 2010 1:26 pm ET

What I object to is the notion that any religion should object to education in any form. Christ himself was educated as a carpenter, does this cult object to all educated beings, such as engineers, pilots, or architects, or are they just against doctors Makes no sense to have faith in planes, trains, and your home's design, but not in someone educated to keep you healthy and alive.


sara hunter   May 17th, 2010 1:33 pm ET

Its a oxymoron question, one has nothing to do with the other. A surgeon could be an ahteist but still fix you up. A doctor of theology is no guarantee that he can heal you, we know that hands on and olive oil dont do the trick. Is anyone as tired as I am of Ryan saying that this is a loving, caring family. If this were true that young man would be here and this would not be happening. When you have children you do everything to make sure that they grow up happy and healthy, especially the mother, she carried the child. What ever you personally believe should never go before the well being of the child. These people had cars, computers, phones, went to the doctor for an ingrown toenail, saw the dentist. I think it comes down to the men deciding what will and will not be done and the women apparently are missing backbones.


LINDA   May 17th, 2010 1:35 pm ET

Ok..well i feel your days are numbered when you enter the world,if it someone time to go then prayer or medicine wont work,i do believe in the power of prayer,but i have seen true belivers pray and that love one is still taken,so that goes back to my previous statement,when its ur time,its just ur time..


Adam   May 17th, 2010 1:36 pm ET

If a god existed then prayer to "it" might matter. It is so unfortunate that this young man may have lost his short life to his family's belief in a fiction. Superstition unchecked can lead to neglect.


Lorie   May 17th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

The fact that a physician wrote the Gospel of Luke should be enough to tell us that God works through doctors. Medicine and Doctors are the answers to our prayers.


Kenneth Stewart   May 17th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

Everybody has Faith......We have Faith that a man we call Doc. gives us a prescription that we cannot read take it to a person we do not know,and they take that prescription behind a counter having faith that they can read it. Then we go home and take as prescribed.


jeff   May 17th, 2010 1:51 pm ET

i can't believe u even need to ask this question .... of course medicine is more powerful than prayer . you have to have an iq hovering around 70 , on a good day , to think calling a bunch of naive idiots into a room to pray for a child that's on death's doorstep is more powerful than taking him to the hospital . it's truly embarrassing to live in a country that has to even ask that question .


Jim Davis   May 17th, 2010 1:57 pm ET

Medical insurance and doctors care costs money. These fools would rather pray and save money no matter who it kills,


jeff   May 17th, 2010 2:02 pm ET

you really can't compare the two because prayer is based on myths , beliefs , hope , faith and a lot of other hullaballoo like that... but medicine is based on scientific FACT .... therefore if ya have to ask the question , medicine is MUCH more powerful because we have proof that it works . these parents should be locked up for a good long time , until they can improve they're iq's . our country is so sad .


Bob H   May 17th, 2010 2:16 pm ET

I beleieve both prayer and medicine has a place throughout the entire sickness and healing process. When I was 16 I had a life threatening illness, thus resulting in a near death experience. I lost 1/2 of my blood supply through internal bleeding, which was a result of a condition existing since my birth. Like Neal, I was 16 and it was ultimately my decision to seek out medical help and my doctor was my Uncle. It is important to note that I had different symptoms throughout my childhood before my condition became life threatening. Besides shots mandated by the state, I rarely saw a doctor for any illnesses. At 16 we all think that we are indestructable. Asking which is more powerful will result indifferent responses depending on who you ask. In my later years, I have broken my back and doctors have told me that I would never walk again. Yet today I am walking and been called a medical miracle. I believe that God played a part in my recovery and I believe in the power of both.


Dave   May 17th, 2010 2:17 pm ET

Both are important, The parents are Ridiculous letting the child suffer in serious pain. I believe in God, i also believe in medicine when an illness is this Extensive, I cannot see letting a child suffer allowing him to die in his bed. If the child was ment to die it would have been nice to know as a parent that you did everything you possibly could to save the child. The parents claim they had no way of knowing it was this extensive, what a crock.


Jonathan   May 17th, 2010 2:22 pm ET

Mediciine is more powerful. Prayer can bring confidence, hope or brings an emotional side to people that believe in prayer, but it CANNOT physically heal anyone or anything. Prayer is based on faith and faith by definition is a belief not based on proof. Prayer can also be defined as a negligible(Insignificant, so small it is meaningless) hope or chance (yes this is in the dictionary) Really this Followers of Christ Church fit what would be a cult following as they have a "ritual" for physical healing using anointing oil instead of seeking medical attention.Even if prayer seems to work there is alwasy some other biological, psychological, social, medical or whatever factor playing a role in what happens.


Susan Dalton   May 17th, 2010 2:25 pm ET

I believe the word I was trying to remember is 'hydronephrosis".


Tricia Albering   May 17th, 2010 2:29 pm ET

Prayer is the most powerful I believe, however Gods wants us to seek knowledge in all things! In this world where man has created disease and infection through our technology, we must now rely on Doctors to inform us. If I seek a diagnosis to better understand why I am not well this is not treatment this is seeking the knowledge to make educated decisions so that through prayer if I choose or through a better understanding I choose medicine I at least sought the truth!


Shirley K Haught New Martinsville WV   May 17th, 2010 2:39 pm ET

God helps those who help themselves...soo take the medicine and pray it helps!!!!!!!!


Denise   May 17th, 2010 2:42 pm ET

for almost as long as we can go back, we've had "medicine" men and women along with prayer.. this is part of evolution.. but my question is.. are we taking someone's personal rights and beliefs away?? But I also believe that as a mom.. I would have taken my child in to a doctor. and at this stage, could he have recovered ?


Dawn Taylor   May 17th, 2010 2:46 pm ET

As a christian conservative, I'm a firm believer in prayer and the power of God. I don't see the correlation or need to compare God to medicine. I believe that both work in conjunction with each other. I believe that God gives us medicine to heal and in no way would I separate the two from each other. As a christian, I pray for myself or my loved ones...and then seek medical attention immediately. The problem with this case is that this family has demonized medicine and the need for medical attention. It disturbes me that people call themselves christians and distort our faith by giving others the perception that God doesn't want us to be treated by a physician! Christians I know take responsibility for their loved ones and unquestionably their children. God gives us the privilege and responsibility to protect our children and the laws are clear. I can't imagine any parent denying their child medical attention and believing they're protecting their child the way God intended. I think all children should be seen by a physician on more than a once-in-a-lifetime basis. How could a child be 16 and never have needed to see a doctor-for anything? This practice is not christianity-it's a cult. Please don't judge all christians by this distorted perception of healing.

Dawn,
Plainfield, IL


Renate   May 17th, 2010 2:49 pm ET

I believe that God gave us a Brain for a Reason ,and I dont know what this Parents where thinking I have 3 Children and 5 Grandchildren and there is no way I could let them lay there and suffer .Take your Child to a Doctor and pray to God to give the Doctor Guidence so your Child will recover.


Dawn Taylor   May 17th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

Adults have different rights than children. Adults may make these decisions and choose prayer over medical treatment. As a mother, I couldn't imagine not seeking medical attention for my child. I do understand people who don't want their children to be on medications unnecessarily; however, there are limits. There's a difference between simple symptomotology and more extended lifetime symptoms that continue. These were loving parents who are definitely in pain. It's not their faith that misled them-it's the cultic church that made them believe that medicine was not from God. We all have to take responsibility for what we believe in and never lose our ability to determine the difference between our responsibility as parents, our love for our children and the need to protect and help them in any way and our faith and prayer. Anyone who makes you believe that medical attention is not synonymous with God's healing should be questioned. Following a church that subscribes to this theory is something every member should consider very seriously. I'm so sad that nothing was done for this boy. I'm so sad that these parents weren't able to see the power of God and medicine working together. I wish it could be different for this family.

Dawn


larry justice   May 17th, 2010 3:08 pm ET

I am not defending the Beagleys but you need to know the other demonations that have the same belief such as the cult Church of Christ Scientist and the Jehovahs Witness group my best friend in grammer school died from no t having a simple surgery that would have saved his life,lets be fair to all the cults


john   May 17th, 2010 3:31 pm ET

medicine and prayer nither one is any good. prayer is free and medicine cost you your life savings so they both suck because in the end people will die THAT'S REALITY


John   May 17th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Prayer and Medicine are so intertwined one would be hard to remove one from the other. Prayer surely existed before what we call medicine today. But, mans desire to cure ills surely brought about research which augmented by thought/prayer resulted in advances in medicine. Native cultures had and still do have a deeply engrained belief that nature/sprit forces are deeply responsable for the healing process. It is well documented that in cultures having a reliance upon prayer or what passes for it, have a high cure rate on several illnesses. Prayer sometimes allows us to accept medicine treatment and endure what may be feared or the sicknesses endured during the treatment. A belief that God will not test us with more than we can endure surely enables medical treatments which might be more painful or beyond endurance normally without devine intervention or travel to a mental region away from what is happening.


Matt   May 17th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

I believe that prayer is the engine and medicine is the oil. The parents should have taken their son to the doctor regardless of their beliefs and he would be alive today if they had.


Nick   May 17th, 2010 3:44 pm ET

Anyone who doesnt has a mential disorder knows that medicine is the most powerful


Tom   May 17th, 2010 4:21 pm ET

There has never been a shred if proof that prayer has ever helped anybody anywhere anytime. If proof is not necessary, then neither is this silly poll.
It's interesting (read: scary) how few people are educated in science and choose to believe in a magic sky-fairy instead.
It is even more interesting how that magic sky-fairy isn't believed in because of the believer's choice, but rather by the geographic location they occupy in the world...
Y'all are going to each other's hell don't ya know?


Patrick   May 17th, 2010 5:30 pm ET

Really? All of these stories (and this won't be the last, sadly) of children who could've been saved by modern medicine but who died because of prayer-only treatments and people still want to cling to the idea that prayer for healing works? I believe the term "cognitive dissonance" would best fit here...


AtheistFuture   May 17th, 2010 5:30 pm ET

In the future, man has realized that the gods were created by man's imagination and everyone is atheist. Mankind then relies on medicine and technology and there are no more needless deaths.


Tammy   May 17th, 2010 6:28 pm ET

In texas kids cant go to school in less they have all their shots. Is all states that way and if so how does these kids go to school? This case can make you really angry. They wont use dr. But yet women can do their nails and hair and men run things. The mom went to the dr. For her toe but they let the son deciede not to go cause of their faith. This is not right.


Sean   May 17th, 2010 6:30 pm ET

Where was god when i was a kid a praying for help for my mother. Where was god when i prayed for nights on end for the beatings to stop. Where was god when I watched my bestfriend die at the hands of you god fearing christians.

Prayer means nothing there is no diety watching over us and the sooner people get a brain and start living in reality the better off we will be


Reverend Silas   May 17th, 2010 6:42 pm ET

It depends on who's doing the praying. There was a woman with an issue of blood that spent all her money on doctors, Jesus never said that was wrong, but her faith healed her.


Karen   May 17th, 2010 6:54 pm ET

This case makes me so angry! My son was born with Uninary Reflux Syndrome. He had an enlarged heart when he was born We were not aware that he had kidney problems until he turned 4 but he did have symptoms such as high fever, inability to empty his bladder, sharp pains in his side etc.
One day when he turned 4 out of the blue he collapsed and was rushed to The University Of Virginia Hospital in Charlottesville Virginia where he was diagnosed with a blockage. He was very ill but after 10 days in the hospital, they saved his life.
My son is now 23 years old. The doctors over there treat him and told us that this is a rare illness but with treatment a child may outgrow it by age 13, my son did not but because of his doctors at UVA he is still here today.


Crystal   May 17th, 2010 8:34 pm ET

In my opinion, medicine is more powerful. If you prayed to God to cure all those in the world who have cancer by tomorrow, will anything happen? Of course not. Faith is merely faith, not fact or a certainty. People can believe what they want to believe, I suppose, but I find it idiotic that this family would think that prayer would automatically cure an illness like this.


Argwings   May 17th, 2010 9:34 pm ET

I fully support, believe and have seen prayers work. Rember doctors treat but God heals. There are times we need to seek for treatment as Jesus said in Mathew 9:12.....They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. The word of God promotes seeking doctors treatment and any denomination forbidding people from seeking doctor's treatment would be a cult and need thorough government scrutiny not to confuse and mislead innocent misinformed followers.


Joanne - Texas   May 17th, 2010 10:03 pm ET

On Friday the one investigator talked about the feeding/watering schedule. As I listened; feeding this boy FISH; having flu like symptons? Wouldn't be my preference when I'm sick with the flu. They also talked about Glucerna which is found in the pharmacy dept of Walmart. Was he diabetic? If so, wonder who diagnosed him?
I agree with other blogers about the ability of common sense none of them parents or grandparents have any.
I'm so saddened that a young man lost his life to religion belief especially since the disease was treatable. Glad I'm not on that jury panel, G U I L T Y!


profbam   May 17th, 2010 10:45 pm ET

This cult Christian group has demonstrated the difference. They pray with all of their might, yet their child mortality rate is 26 fold greater than the average population. Obviously, medicine is far more powerful.

Alternatively, they are praying to a false god. Reality is that they are praying to a mythical being devoid of any existence.


sandi   May 17th, 2010 10:53 pm ET

Well, definately not prayer!!!!!


GodlessGrrl   May 17th, 2010 11:01 pm ET

The fact that people die from very treatable illnesses when they receive prayer alone as a treatment should tell you how effective prayer is at healing people. (The STEP study from a few years ago is another clue.)

Medicine wins, hands down. It's at least proven to work in most cases.


Terry   May 17th, 2010 11:22 pm ET

Prayer is a powerful weapon given to us by God. But we should not use that as a reason not to go the doctor when we are sick.


Eric   May 18th, 2010 1:02 am ET

That's like asking "Which is more powerful: magic or medicine?" Ridiculous question to even ask. Prayer has limited psychological benefits, if any. Medicine saves, and will continue to save, far more lives. And at an increasingly exponential rate compared to such hokem as prayer, I might add.


Angie   May 18th, 2010 2:19 am ET

To me it is like a story I once heard.

There was once a flood that forced a man to escape to the roof of his house. As he sat there a family who had a boat came by and saw the stranded man. They offered to let the man ride to safety with them. the man said, "No, God will save me" not too long afterward a rescue crew in a boat came across the man and tried to get the man to get on so that they could take him to safety. "No," said the man, "God will save me" A bit later a helicopter looking for survivors that they may have missed came across the man and tried to get him to safety. Again the man refused saying, "God will save me" As the waters kept rising the man eventually drowned and founds himself standing before God. "Why didn't you save me Lord?" "I tried," said God. "I sent two boats and a helicopter but you refused the help."

The moral of this story is that God may not answer your prayers the way you would expect. If your child is sick and you are praying for God to heal that child, God's help may be through going to a doctor and getting medications.


Debbie   May 18th, 2010 9:19 am ET

I am so outraged by Sunny's comment on wanting to allow dangerous sex offenders their "civil rights" and NOT lock them up for life! That is the only way we are as a civil society, going to curtail these disgusting perverts from taking and killing our kids! Shame on you Sunny!.


ashley from tampa, fl   May 18th, 2010 9:25 am ET

We are a country based on science. You can get a grant for millions of dollars in the United States to create a drug to cure a disease or lose weight, but churches are forced to do food drives or ask their patrons for money just to keep the doors open. So, I think regardless of how we feel about it, America has already established the answer. In other countries, they put faith first. Thats how it should be.


Travis   May 18th, 2010 9:36 am ET

I believe God works in both ways through doctors and through prayer.


Billie   May 18th, 2010 9:45 am ET

Doctors are a gift from God and they need to be prayed for to guild there hands.So i believe they go hand in hand.


Nancy wv   May 18th, 2010 10:20 am ET

The bible says that the lord gives us all a gift and we are to use it to the best of our abilty. If it is the gift of being a doctor then it should be used. And we need to pray for the lord to guide the doctor. We should pray for the lords help daily with gods help anything is possiable.


barbara   May 18th, 2010 10:20 am ET

any obstruction will create painful sensations as the body needs to function.

if this was episodic then neil probably dealt with excruciating pain at the times there was obstruction...

there was likely the building up of tolerance to pain over the years...


michele king   May 18th, 2010 10:36 am ET

This needs to stop.the children are not being taking care of.The government needs to help step in and protect the kids.they are murders and involved in a dangerous cult separated from reality.


Emma Lee McAfee   May 18th, 2010 11:12 am ET

Medicine is more powerful. If you are believer and believe in prayer they should use it too, but not instead.


Windy   May 18th, 2010 11:32 am ET

Prayer and Medicine go hand in hand. Wisdom and knowledge comes from God. Individuals go to school to become Doctors. With God's assistance they are able to treat sick and disabled people. As a parent, I pray for God's will to be done and I pray for God to guide the hand of the surgeon/doctor who treats my child. I grew up in Oregon City with classmates who attended Followers of Christ. It is true: they believe they are the few "chosen" Christians. As outsiders we are not even encouraged by them to attend their church services, because we are not the "chosen" few. One is born in to this religion. It is a cult, in that it was "founded" by Pastor White who then dictated what "rules" were to be followed adamantly. I know Followers see Dentists, Chiropractors and Vision Specialists. It confounds me how they can justify these medical visits, but will allow members of their families to die rather than to see a medical Physician. In closing, let me say that I am a strong believer in one practicing whatever religion they choose (or NOT practicing any religion at all), however I cannot see how allowing deaths of innocent young children (which has great impact on the entire family) would be required by a loving God. God gave us intelligence so that we may use our skills and abilities to Glorify Him.


MARY   May 18th, 2010 11:51 am ET

I think prayer is more powerful when used correctly because God made prayer and God also made medicine. So in my opion we should not only pray for an illness to be taken away but also pray that the Doctors and the medicine they give are what God wants us to receive.

Mary in PA-


Carrie Higdon   May 18th, 2010 11:54 am ET

I wonde,r if the Beagley's thought Neil's sister has the same problem, would they seek medical advice?


Judith Cook   May 18th, 2010 12:13 pm ET

I believe that cults and regilion is a way to get away from the true nature of what we need to foucus on and that is the word of God.God can't lie and his word is what we see what is happening today in the world of moral decay and if we think we can go on thinking that man will won't be confused into thinking twisted thing cause the devil has very little time left to get as many to disbeleive the Creator.You be there for the ones who read his word and stand strong in faith.


Judith Cook   May 18th, 2010 12:17 pm ET

Stay Alert,many will say it is in the name of religion but they have been mislead by their religion, cause if they read the bible they had people who keep them healthy,plus their faith..


Susan Jerden   May 18th, 2010 12:51 pm ET

I Think This religious group has been mislead. Yes, I believe people should pray for healing so God will lead them to the right medical team for them.In the days when Jesus walked the earth He demonstrated His power by healing and raising people from the dead.Nowadays we must trust Him to guide us in using the reasourses available to us.The World has changed,The Lord uses people differently.It is child abuse not to seek medical tx. when needed.


mike   May 18th, 2010 1:21 pm ET

I believe that you should do everything in YOUR power to help the child get well. Medicine is proven in factual trials to help sustain life, prayer can be a powerful means also, and will help people cope with God`s will, bottom line is when its your time, its your time. God willing, medicine is more powerful.


TammyB   May 18th, 2010 1:36 pm ET

I think that you need both. I am not a really religious person, but I do believe in the power of the mind. If you and others around you are praying, it cannot hurt, and probably lifts the spirits and contributes to the overall power of your mind keeping positively thinking. But I don't believe you should ever go without medicine, or what doctors can do to heal. God did make man with a brain, in order to help each other. I think whatever method keeps you in a positive place, whatever method that may be, I think one should explore everything in order to get well, or help family members overcome illnesses.


Trish   May 18th, 2010 1:38 pm ET

If prayer really worked, we never would have had to invent medicine.


Shauna   May 18th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

I believe prayer is very powerful, but it takes prayer and god given knowledge to help the sick. The two combined are the key.


Kate Slane   May 18th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

Seems to me that Neils last chance should have been when he went to public school. I thought kids had to have full physicals, or does that differ by states. Then his teachers if I recall correctly made comments about him. He was probably needing to go to the bathroom all the time. Maybe sitting a long time made it worse. I guess when they perhaps were getting questioned they took him out to home school. I just hope that this "Church" starts teaching anatomy and psysiology because these "Stepford Mom" don't know temperature, just wine and oil. Marci should be ashamed of herself. She went to a Dr. for an in-grown toenail. You can't tell me that her child that she birthed never once said his thingy hurt or why does he peepee so much when nothing comes out. I hope she gets the same sentence if not more then her husband.


James   May 18th, 2010 1:51 pm ET

I would have to say prayer. Being born with Spina-bifida and having spent mot of my life in hospitals around doctors, nurses, medicine I have come to realize that medicine is based on man's educated guesses while true prayer is based in God real word. I know that everything that exists, that has existed, and will exist is a result of God's will and holy word. And without it nothing would exist.
I am grateful for the doctors that he has placed in my life and the knowledge and understanding and courage that he has given them concerning me as well as the nurses who have submitted themselves for my comfort during my growth. But I clearly understand that my complete healing is in God's hands and Jesus Christ's resurrection alone!


Linda Ayers   May 18th, 2010 2:03 pm ET

My daughter is now 23 yrs. old, but when she was one month old, she was diagnosed with Refluxing Urteras what this boy had. She had run a high fever, I took her immediately to her pediatrician, she ran blood work, ct scan, exrays, everything was that afternoon at 3:00 p.m.! By the end of the day I knew it was all serious. She was seen by a UROLOGIST, Dr. Hurt, at Children's Hosp. in Dallas, and he saved her life! She was a Grade 4, if she became a Grade 5, then surgery was necessary. She was placed on Bactrim antibiotic to stop the infections where her utertas were straight instead of curved, so the urine went in the kidneys. The hope is always the urteras will curve over time. It didn't happen in my daughters case, and by 8 months old, she was throwing up her Bactrim and then a nurse came by twice a day for 2 weeks to clear the infection, and then surgery was performed to fix her ureteras and Dr. Hurt found she had no bladder, and made her one out of her own tissue. A miracle! I breast fed her all the while and I even slept in her baby bed at Children's for the 7 days she was there. She did very well through all of that big big surgery, and she is 23 and had her own child who is 5 yrs. old now.
I can not believe these parents did not see anything wrong with their child. He had to be very very sick all his short life. And to never have taken him to a dr. is unbelievable.


LeeAnn   May 18th, 2010 2:06 pm ET

I believe in the power of prayer. But I also believe God put Doctors here for a reason. Pray for your doctors and nurses.


LeeAnn Merchant   May 18th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

Most of us pray for new medicines and new medical interventions. So I would say...medicine is more powerful. God gives us the ability to create, research, and implement new processes/medicine that save lives every day.


max   May 18th, 2010 2:27 pm ET

Medicine is the best that we have, everything else is wishful thinking


Brenda   May 18th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

Prayer is definitely more powerful than medicine, HOWEVER, proper medical care and treatment can be a means in which God answers prayer and brings healing. God gave mankind the intellect and knowledge to develop the medical technology we have today and like anything else, it can be used for good or for evil. The Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts were written by a physician. They are two of the most detailed books of the New Testament. Luke was an evangelist by calling and a physician by profession. He was referred to as the "Beloved Physician" so it seems unlikely that Christ would NOT want his followers to make a reasonable effort to seek the best medical care available in their time.


NMhispana   May 18th, 2010 3:53 pm ET

Medicine, here on earth is more powerful, because we live in the flesh, and prayer, helps too, but has to do with faith..


woma-woma-ding-dong   May 18th, 2010 4:10 pm ET

prayer. end of story.


carol   May 18th, 2010 4:11 pm ET

this sounds like assisted suicide to me.the parents allowed neil to die. jack k.(dr, death) was also charged with a crime and served 7 years in prison. what do you think?


Joann   May 18th, 2010 4:31 pm ET

Religion should not be so powerful as to rule our lives, there are several aliments and diesases that cannot be cured with prayer, or even medicine, but we do have to go to the doctor, that is the only way we can know what is happening in our bodies.


Derek   May 18th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

The real is always more powerful than the imaginary.


Molly   May 18th, 2010 6:18 pm ET

Why does it have to be one or the other? Both can interact; prayer IS powerful, more powerful that medicine – yes – as is evident with medical miracles that happen once in a while. But they can both blend – prayer for new treatment for a disease, prayer for blessing over the doctors and nurses treating your family member. Modern science should be seen as a blessing from God.


Patti Blum   May 18th, 2010 8:50 pm ET

I was surprised when in the comments today someone mentioned that the jury never heard about all the under 18 minors from this community who have died. I believe they said a child from this community had a 26% greater chance of dying than the general public. Why hasn't this been investigated by the legal system, it's like the polygimists that are living in this country when it is against the law but is somehow overlooked.


Walter Turner   May 18th, 2010 10:54 pm ET

Prayer is useless, but medicine isn't.

Sadly, some of people don't agree and innocent children died because of it. And it boggles my mind that most of people thinks this so-called "power of prayer" still works.

Seriously, people. There will be more children alive today only if religious fanatics acknowledged the medicine is more effective and helpful than prayer.

Prayer only makes you feel relieved, but does not help people nor children with preventable sickness. Prayer only gives, to be more precisely, False Hope.

Use prayer if you want to, but make no mistake – use medicine, people!

Censors.. I don't respect censorship, but I recall my agreement with the terms. So please do censor some of my comment if necessary, but leave the important statement. Thank you for reading.

-Walter Turner


Believer   May 19th, 2010 2:07 am ET

Prayer is more powerful. Even if you are a non-believer, like I was.
Miracles happen. Now I'm a 100% believer. I don't take any drugs.
I found the most amazing Energy Healer in the SF Bay Area. He can heal cancer and people on their death bed. He's healed me of all types of symptoms and one day I may write a book on all that I've
experiences from him. It's not just him who does the healing. There are spirits working with him. He is like an Earth Angel here to help us. It's too hard for people to believe what he can do. You just
have to go with an open mind and experience it for yourself. I've
been to several "Healers" but doubt there are many in this world,
if any, who can do what he does. He connects to Spirit(s). It's
all from "God source". It's read and it works. I've been shown
a lot through spirit. I'm not religious but I am now highly spiritual.


Mike   May 19th, 2010 8:38 am ET

Well let me think.... since prayer is a LIE !! I would say Medicine !!


jackie   May 19th, 2010 9:29 am ET

How much insurance did they have on the boy?


david difranco   May 19th, 2010 9:29 am ET

Since I could not find "ask Vinnie", I posted my question here. I believe in god with all my heart. Givin his symtoms I cannot say these parents were criminally negligent. However, my question would be, If their belief in god prevented them from taking a sick child to a doctor, how do they justify "BIRTH CONTROL'? Thank You, Love the show.
David Difranco


Amy   May 19th, 2010 9:59 am ET

While certainly prayer is more "powerful", medicine is more practical for healing ailments that can be treated with medicine. There is a saying that reflects this: " A man was stranded in the ocean water and prayed for God to help him. Along came a ship. The man did not get on the ship because he believed that God would help him. He prayed again, and along came another ship. Again, he didn't get on the ship because he believed that God would answer his prayer. This happened a third time, and again he didn't get on the ship. Finally he died in that ocean. Once in heaven he asked God why his prayer wasn't answered. God replied " I sent you 3 ships".
Let's use common sense when treating illness.


Robin EL-Amin   May 19th, 2010 10:38 am ET

Both could be used, neither is garrenteed, also neither should be forced on anyone. when it comes to a parent and child, the parent should be repsonsible for the childs care. If a child dies under the parents belief of treatment then the state should not step in at all. where are the peoples right to make up there own mind, I thought we lived in a free country. I would not seek medical help for my child unless it was something I could not fix myself. altimitly it is the parent who is responsible. i believe that what happens in a family should be handled by the family not the state unless it involves someone outside the family unit. now the is the constitution.


carla   May 19th, 2010 11:13 am ET

in my opinion, they are both very important.... god gave us our brains to use in everyday life,so when he gave the dr.s knowledge to treat the sick it should be used... there is no place in the bible that says that dr.s are not to be used for helping the sick.. but prayers are very useful too– if they would have prayed and chosen to seek medical help ,changes are their son would still be alive...


stacey   May 19th, 2010 11:28 am ET

when my son, A.J. was approximately 8 yrs. old and his pediatrician informed me, his mother that my child's urine results came back indicating a higher than normal level of protein,and that i should have him seen by a specialist,which he was asap the protein level was monitored and subsequently returned to a normal level after it was suggested that he reduce his intake of soda. He is now 27 and is in college, I thank god, yes to he that they prayed to heal their child that i realized that god is our creator not a doctor,and god should never be relied on to heal our children or anyone simply for that reason.
stacey wellington,fl


Marilyn   May 19th, 2010 11:34 am ET

Medicine, period.


Lisa   May 19th, 2010 12:09 pm ET

I think praying that medication works is the right way to look at it.


Elizabeth   May 19th, 2010 1:37 pm ET

There are some illnesses or conditions that will just not be cured are the persons health maintained with out medicine. Faith healing will not help.


gayle rittgers   May 19th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

that they will consult a virtual doctor demonstrates the idiotic hypocrisy of their belief system and the generational brainwashing that sustains it and has destroyed so many of their ilk. Prosecution most likely will drive them further underground as their motivation is based on the arrogance of being the most holy of all people. What a waste!


Dolores   May 19th, 2010 4:46 pm ET

Medicine and only medicine can heal.


Sandy E.   May 19th, 2010 5:41 pm ET

It is not that simple. There are Christians who take their kids to the doctor; and there are non-believers who may pray in a desperate moment. I have never met a Christian who refused medical care for their kids. I believe this type of ritual (prayer alone) is an element of cult practices. God wants us to pray, and use all the tools he has given us on this earth. Would you stand over your car and pray if it broke down?


Pam   May 19th, 2010 6:48 pm ET

Medicine. Prayer is a personal thing. Medicine is a proven science.


Vee   May 20th, 2010 2:05 am ET

You always need prayer. You sometimes need medicine.
Do the math.


Victoria   May 20th, 2010 9:57 am ET

This case already answers that question. Medicine.


cory   May 20th, 2010 11:09 am ET

god gave us life also medicine. I believe when it comes down to a chronic illness medicine will be more substancial than prayer on any day of the week.


Victoria   May 20th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

How can any reasonable person answer that question? There are those who hold firm that faith is the cornerstone of life and that technology is the enemy... and there are those who are thankful to the strides that have been made in medicine to help us with everything from easing someone's pain to finding and applying cures to illnesses that were once deadly. However, my belief is that there are some areas of technology which are more harmful then helpful, while at the same time, I myself, am aided by medicine and would suffer greatly without it. My faith is strong and I do not believe that "God" faults me for using the medicine available to me in order to ease my suffereing. NOTE: Without suffering how would we be able to recognize and be thankful for happiness?


redz812   May 20th, 2010 1:18 pm ET

If you believe in God then doesn't it follow that God bestowed medical practices and procedures to human beings in order to heal? My husband had kidney failure and believe me these "parents" knew this kid was sick. Even if they only thought he had the flu, what parent doesn't call the doctor when a child has flu like symptoms?


Valerie Peterson   May 20th, 2010 1:40 pm ET

I am so confused. It appears to me to be a question of separation of Church and State. We have laws that allow religious freedom but then the law prosecutes people for following their beliefs. The law in most states considers 18 the age of responsiblity but in Oregon 16 gives children rights of directive. We have no universal laws and is even 18 the age of such a long-term decison? All the money spent to prosecute this family could have been used to save this unfortunate child's life. Couldn't more preventive measures be used to stop this and apply taxpayer's money to help families find healthcare w/o interfering with their religious riights?


NJ   May 20th, 2010 2:17 pm ET

You Need both.


Mimi   May 20th, 2010 2:35 pm ET

PRAYER is POWERFUL YES.but...seeking...outside care does NOT make you any less of a believer! If anyone ever puts you down for that then it sounds like they need to get thier bibles out and start reading because it clearly states that we are not to judge others!I feel as any loving human being .. that especially when ur child is in need of medical care no matter how desperate u are.. U do WHATEVER IT TAKES..Think about ...also...why is there modern medicine now a days and DR's there for us if we were to be looked down on if we used them? Doing all we can doesn't make us LESS of a believer...it just makes us a LOVING parents wanting to do ANY and ALL it takes! God is great and that's also why he gave our children...to care and treasure them! God Bless!


Tammie   May 20th, 2010 4:57 pm ET

Each have an important part, when it comes to my children's health and well being. Medicine, I believe comes from God. Many times my children have been healed without medication. just as many with medication.
Shame on this mother for only seeking birth control after she gave birth to this child!! Forcing this child to live in such an unhealthy condition for his whole life is of course abusive and negligent. These parents were not charged correctly, in my opinion.
Tammie
from San Bernardino, CA


Clint Kennedy   May 20th, 2010 5:12 pm ET

obviously prayers are a lame duck for direct results. why? well when you find that 78 children are buried in Baby Row by this cult, it is clear they are no more sacred than a coven. Prayer gives oneself a positive point to build upon.... it doesn't rebuild tissue and stop disease. These members of the lunatic fringe are a disgrace to any legitimate religion and non-believers as well.


Pami Hite   May 20th, 2010 11:14 pm ET

Which is more powerful, prayer or medicine??.....that's like asking which is more powerful ....an avalanche or a tidal wave....they are both powerful...GOD gave us a brain and education to develop our brains and potential to use medicine to help animals and plants and even the evironment for the better or worse. One of Jesus' 12 disciples was a physician. Medicine is one of GOD's gifts for us to use as needed or abuse (neglect is a form of abuse). Prayer is also amazingly powerful and exceeds physical medicine sometimes but both medicine and prayer should be a daily thing, not a contest of one is better than the other. These "Christian parents" give a bad name for all Christians by hiding behind a cult belief and letting their beloved son die for nothing....It is intererting that they go to the dentist and the eye doctor who are both physians....why not pray for rotten teeth to be miraculously healed or nearsightedness to be righted to 20/20 by prayer and the laying on of hands....what a bunch of hyprocrites.....they are not followers of Christ,,,,they are guilty of neglect and voluntary child slaughter...may GOD have mercy on their souls.....and may the justice system give them some time in the slammer for prayer and meditation.

Pami from Dinwiddie County, Virginia


Alex   May 21st, 2010 2:37 pm ET

Prayers do nothing. Contrary to what some religous folk believe, it's not something that never has, and never will, help 'cure' someone of an illness or some other form of medical issue. Medicine, however, has been used time and time again and has always worked. You take a painkiller to help stop a headache and it works. You take your medication your doctor gave you to help you with your problems, that always works, given that, of course, it's been tested and proven to work. So my answer? Medicine is more powerful.


Kanjana Hurd   May 22nd, 2010 11:29 am ET

Some christians would say the prayer is more powerful than medicine. The bible aslo says when you are sick and troubled you must call upon the elders to pray for you and God will direct your path. Some time people think that prayer alonecan be answer without the use of medicine and doctors, such as minor stress this can be healed through meditation. If you have a major illness then you need to seek help from a medical doctor. That is why God sent doctors here to help us in our time of need.
Kanjana.


Njaye   May 22nd, 2010 11:38 am ET

I believe in a Supreme Being but I certainly don't center my life around isolated, questionable biblical passages, which have been translated and re-translated over the ages. Medicine in 2010 has made phenomenal advances and not to take advantage of them is unbelievably foolish. Pray as much as you want and eschew medical treatment for yourself. However, take your underage children to the doctor, so that they don't needlessly and painfully die as you lay on hands and annoint them with olive oil. This is especially unforgivable when 15 month old Ava Worthington was not healed and died without medical treatment three months before Neil Beagley
suffered a similar fate.


annica   May 22nd, 2010 11:35 pm ET

I deffinetly pray to God, that the medicen will work.And its never failed me yet!


Alan   May 23rd, 2010 11:26 am ET

Anyone that relies on prayer to heal their child is a fool.


AJ Long   May 24th, 2010 12:29 am ET

Medicine is, of course, much more powerful and effective. As more people learn to think for themselves, greater numbers will continue to reject the lies and superstition that comprise religion.


Rachel Grant   May 24th, 2010 11:30 am ET

Your child is sick, you get down on your knees and pray to God for help. The next day a doctor is sent to see your child and you turn him away and say "God will help my child so I don't need you." The next day your child is even worse and you pray again and again a doctor comes to your door and again you say, "But God is going to help us so we don't need you." Your child dies. Years later you die of old age and when you get to heaven you ask God, " I prayed to you every day to heal my child why did you chose to call him home?" and God says, "I sent a doctor to your door and you turned him away twice. How much more help did you want?"



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