March 23, 2010

How computer evidence gets retrieved

Posted: 10:57 AM ET

Matt Baker's computer records were a key part of the prosecution's murder case against the Baptist minister.  By tracing his IP address, authorities were able to track his every move online.

Investigators saw that Baker had visited several prescription drug websites, and even came close to buying one sleeping aid.  In Session's Vinnie Politan talked to a computer forensics expert to get a little insight into how these investigations are conducted.

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Christy   March 23rd, 2010 11:16 am ET

The computer/engineer /witness may have gone on and on, but his testimony was really interesting to me. "The devil is in the details" and it is almost always the smallest detail that ends up proving the case.
P.S. Anyone doing a search of my computer would find that I am addicted to "In Session".

Kathie Sladic   March 23rd, 2010 11:22 am ET

If I was a juror on this trial and all the others wanted a not guilty verdict – the jury would be hung! I was an IT Administrator for the Government and the forensics expert and webmaster testimony is fully credible. It really does not matter what the Defendant did one minute after the death of his wife (remember the wrongful conviction because the defendant fooled around and got fake boobs) – but this proves that while doing his regular e mail and daily business on the computer in his office prior to the death, he was also searching for drugs and overdosing – put this together with the affair he was having -GUILTY!

chuck copeland   March 23rd, 2010 11:31 am ET

About the only thing you will learn about me on my computer is that I love cars, I am an Ebay guru and I frequently put in my 2 cents worth at in session.
This guy should not have fabricated the suicide note. Her death would have probably been ruled an accidential closed. Who types a suicide note. At least you are going to sign it.
I loved the computer engineer. Obviously his brain processes info faster than he can relay them verbably. Bottom line is this was not info gathering...the only time you go to this website is BUY NOW.

BJ Hill   March 23rd, 2010 11:38 am ET

The computer is the brain that mirrors the users brain, revealing their personal thoughts, ideas, and, possibilities, that only the user is aware of. The computer is the fingerprint, of the user.

Jean   March 23rd, 2010 11:40 am ET

How do I go about having someones hard drive looked at? Someone got into my computer in Dec from an external location and took all my files and emails for 5 years. This same person has bugged my cell phone, he is now a convicted felon for shooting a police officer but did not get any time just probation for 3 years how does that happen? I am scared and need to know how to protect myself and children. I am ready to move forward and pursue help which means the hard drive. Thank you I look forward to hearing from you. Please don't post this or my email address.

Robert W   March 23rd, 2010 1:04 pm ET

Why didn't the police obtain his computer-that he supposedly gave to his parents- (by using something called a subpoena)?. They could check to see if, in fact, his computer did crash (easily detectable). I don't think it crashed...and valuable information could have been ascertained from the harddrive..

Zina Jordan   March 23rd, 2010 1:49 pm ET

It's almost painful watching his testimony. I think he is tryijng to hard to get computer illterate folks understand him. I build websites for a living and he is confusing me.

He needs to get to the point but I think he's trying to prove how smart he is.

Julie   March 23rd, 2010 2:04 pm ET

Here's what I don't understand. Everyone keeps talking about the possibility of crushing the pills and Matt possibly putting those pills in her drink. I have taken Unisom several times and the ones in the photos are liquid gels, not tablets that can be crushed. Could Matt have possibly punctured the gels and poured the contents into Kari's drink? That makes more sense to me. If he can throw out a computer so readily, he certainly could've disposed of the liquid gels without anyone knowing.

Austin, TX

Mary   March 23rd, 2010 2:08 pm ET

Three things convince me he is guilty.

First who every heard of a thief peeling off a id on a computer then
putting it on a different computer (how did he get into the Pastor's
office if the lock had been changed and the master key no longer

Second when my nephew commited suicide he didn't write a note at
all. I was told that not everyone writes a note, but I have never heard
a person typing a note, printing it and then leave it in the bathroom.

Third the Defense attorney stated that they had all of the Pastor's credit/debit card records and couldn't find any purchases. How do they know he didn't have a debit card or credit card in someone elses name?

carla hadj   March 23rd, 2010 2:16 pm ET

this man is so obviously guilty, once the mistress came forth and told that he talked about ways to kill his wife it should have been a rap. the u.s, wastes alot of taxpayers money on foolishness. new law– if you claim innocence and choose to go to trial and get convicted by a jury of your peers you should automatically get life in prison without the possibility of parole. all of these guilty people will take a plea.

Karen   March 23rd, 2010 2:20 pm ET

Matt Baker reminds me of the worlds dummest criminal......and has running off at the mouth syndrome....................

Michele   March 23rd, 2010 2:21 pm ET

In one of the clips baker said that you have to have a prescription to purchase the drugs. So I think that's why he aborted the sale.


Linda   March 23rd, 2010 2:41 pm ET

I find this computer forensic stuff fascinating. As a techno moron, anyone that can do more than turn the computer off and on is a genius in my book. If anyone ever looked on my hard drive they would find In Session and Pogo. Geez, what an exciting life I have. LOL
Keep up the good work In Session.

Chuck Greenawalt   March 23rd, 2010 2:56 pm ET

He's guilty...He shows his guilt from the 911 call on. During the call it didn't really sound like he was performing any kind of cpr. It was obvious that he didn't want to confront her parents by giving the name and phone number of her parents. Then to make all those really stupid comments to his friends...he's a goof and deserves to fry.

Sandra Chandler-South Dakota   March 23rd, 2010 3:10 pm ET

This guy is a piece of work. In his 911 call he was not even doing CPR. How can one do CPR and still be talking. When one does CPR it is hard work. He was talking in a normal voice! He looks sheepish when he lowers his head, like if there were a hole available he'd like to crawl into it. He surely is WIERD!!!!!!!


Rodney   March 23rd, 2010 3:12 pm ET

I was wondering why was Kari naked for to start with and why did he take the time to dress her when he should have known that ems was going to cut them right back off

Mechelle   March 23rd, 2010 3:14 pm ET

Texas Vs. Baker: GUILTY. This case is sickening. He is so out of touch with reality it's ridiculous. (not saying he's insane). Thought he was ingenious in detail, but was/is, actually ignorant to think he would be able to pass this off as suicide. It is clear by the pictures of this beautiful woman she was very happy with her surviving children. I'm sure she did grieve for the loss of her daughter, but does not appear suicidal at all. I do not understand the concept behind killing someone to begin, but then to talk, talk, talk. Thank You Mr. Baker, for making the jobs of the State Prosecutors and Jurors such an easy task-I'm shocked he didn't sign his name to the suicide note. Well, i'm sure he will have many people to talk to everyday in the pleasant Texas Correctional Facility. Go ahead with closing arguments, prosection, it's a DONE DEAL!!!

Rae Ellen   March 23rd, 2010 3:23 pm ET

The death of Matts daughter, sounds very suspicious to me, considering...she was cancer free and expected to live, then to suddenly die and was in the fetal position when found. Wasn't the wife noted to be in the same position as described by Matt himself. Maybe the death of the daughter should be reopened as well!!!

Shannon   March 23rd, 2010 3:43 pm ET

Rodney, she wasn't nude. I think Matt lied about that in a feeble attempt to try to explain why she was cold. There was no way she could have been that cold that fast. The experts looking at the case throughout the years have all been adamant about that. In fact, I remember one of them saying something like, For her to have been that cold that fast, she would have had to of died in the Antarctic or an icebox.

brit   March 23rd, 2010 3:51 pm ET

Matt baker's defence team sure have their work cut out for them in this case. It's painfull watching them trying to make excuses for their client, to the point of almost making the defence look foolish.
Another case of the prosecution seeking for the truth, and the defence seeking for the best excuses they can come up with, so the client gets
their due process.

Joylyn   March 23rd, 2010 4:15 pm ET

The computer information was good. I learned a lot but felt like I was back in college with a professor lecturing in a monotone. Word to his department head....Please get the man some lessons on engaging the jury!

Sadie in Texas   March 23rd, 2010 5:16 pm ET

~~ Matt's story of his wife's death in 2006: Kari had been sick earlier in the evening (vomit) and I cleaned it up. She was in bed. When I left the room, she was fine. Just after midnight, I entered the room again. A very eerie feeling came over me. I found her not breathing. Took her out of bed and performed CPR, but it was too late. She died because of too much medication in her system. She was just tired of struggling with her depression.

~~ Matt's story of the baby's death in 1999: Kassidy had been sick earlier in the evening (diarrhea) and I cleaned it up. She was in bed. I checked on her and she was fine. Just after midnight, I entered the room to check again. A very eerie feeling came over me. I found her not breathing. Took her out of bed and performed CPR, but it was too late. She died because of too much medication in her system. She was just tired of struggling with her cancer treatment.

Alisha   March 23rd, 2010 5:51 pm ET

I want to know if any testimony about Matt grieving for the death of his child will be provided?? All of the speculation from the defense that "everyone grieves differently" could be compared to his grieving process of his child right?? Or is there a big difference between the loss of a child and wife??

Rodman   March 23rd, 2010 7:09 pm ET

Matt Baker was featured on a 48 Hours Mystery show and I thought he was off the hook. He explained on the show that his wife was feeling ill effects when taking ambian and he tried to do some research on the Internet to see if he could determine the side effects. Why doesn't his lawyer introduce that as evidence or would it be allowable? If she wasn't happy with the Ambian, who know what else she might have taken or where she got it.

darli   March 23rd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

why is money wasted on needless trials. if the prosecutor would tell the guy he can get life if he takes a plea bargain or take a chance on getting the dealth penalty if he wants to waste money and everyone's time by going to trial.

barbara gagnon   March 24th, 2010 9:31 am ET

i still cannot get around the fact that she was found naked when she supposedly commited suicide. i'll tell you-i weigh exactly the same as her and i would not want to found naked even if i was dead. it's a woman thing. i am surprised the lawyers have not mentioned this.

Dr. Shanks   March 24th, 2010 9:47 am ET

I'm not the prosecutor, the jury nor the judge; however, I personally believe Mr. Baker killed his wife. I lost my five year old son in a house fire at my Aunt’s home in 1994. My husband blamed me for his death due to the fact he never allowed his children to sleep out of the home over-night. I thought of suicide with a plan, but no-one knew except me and God. I was not thinking of a note; yet alone a typed note at that. May the Lord have mercy on Mr. Baker if he in fact killed his wife!

Dr. Shanks, Florida

mike keeble   March 24th, 2010 9:59 am ET

re to question of the day it really depends how long it takes to find a new wife or did you have plans wile you were married.

Henry DeEsposito   March 24th, 2010 10:51 am ET

To whom It may consern.
The prosecution Is doing a very bad job In this case, the woman keeps caughing Into the mike, can't she just turn her head to the side?
I don't think that they talk to there whitnisses before they get on the stand, and they let then say anything???

JANET CORNWELL   March 24th, 2010 11:19 am ET

Something just struck me about Matt Bakers assertion that he found his wife naked on the bed. She was apparently self conscious about her weight. She would NOT have committed suicide and left herself to be found naked. This is not consistent with a woman who felt she was overweight.

Michelle   March 24th, 2010 11:32 am ET

How could Matt be on the phone with 911 & do all this moving his wife, without dropping the phone? We didn't hear any of this nosie on the 911 call.

Michelle   March 24th, 2010 11:36 am ET

How could Matt be on the phone with 911 & do all this moving his wife without dropping the phone? We didn't hear any of this nosie on the 911 call.

Boone, NC

Marie   March 24th, 2010 2:00 pm ET

It does not really matter that the cops did not get the computers because Matt Baker told his lover everything... obviously thought that she really loved him and would not stab him in the back!! However, I am not sure that I would have been able to keep that kind of a secret knowing another woman's life was going to be ended. I just can't imagine how she can sleep at night. I don't like at all how she talks on the witness stand as if having a personal conversation with the jury but it is working and the defense team is not objecting enough to her constant comments that are for some part irrelevant. She seems to enjoy talking too much!! Anyways, this guy is sunk because of her testimony!

Gloria   March 24th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

Did I hear correctly when Miss. Bulls said that Matt Baker told her he went to the cemetary to see if anyone hade messed with his wife's grave AND HIS DAUGHTER'S GRAVE? Does that statement indicate that he may have had something to do with his daughter's death also? Why else would he even be concerned about his daughter's grave?

Ruth   March 24th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

One thing I've noticed but haven't seen pointed out is that if Mrs. Baker was found unconscious in the nude, trying to dress her would have been extremely difficult since (no pun intended) she would have been dead weight. That makes me think she died with the clothes she was wearing on. And to have left a typed suicide note, please. A good many people who commit suicide leave no note at all, much less one typed and speaking so glowingly of the jerk Mrs. Baker knew was cheating on her. Personally, I think she was planning on leaving him and taking the girls. Since a good many Baptist churches won't allow divorced people to serve as preachers or deacons, Matt Baker killed her to be able to keep calling himself a pastor.

Lisa F.   March 24th, 2010 2:51 pm ET

i think it is sad the mistress got immunity, she knew of his plans and didn't contact the police..the wife didn't have to die. He told the mistress of various ways to he thought of killing her, hanging her, drive by shooting, pills and she did nothing. How could u be with someone with that mindset.

N. Francis   March 24th, 2010 3:14 pm ET

Am I the only one that heard Matts lover say that Matt went to the cemetry to see if they did assume the body of his wife, AND ! then over to the daughters grave to see if they did the same to Kassidy grave ! That make me think that maybe he killed his own daughter also, and is worried about the authorities might assume her body also ! Maybe the state should look into that death also. Since Kassidy was suppose to be in a good stae of recovery at the time and everyone thought she was going to make a full remission. Since he has been planning his wifes murder for a while, maybe he did murder his daughter also since she seem to be a burden like his wife. You should bring up that point on your show. Looks like he is hiding and worried about more than meets the eye.

Cathy Jones   March 24th, 2010 5:58 pm ET

Matt Baker has the worst defense Attorney,s I have ever seen. He will most likely win an appeal stating incompetent counsel Cathy

James   March 25th, 2010 9:31 am ET

I believe Vanessa should be charged, just as well as Matt is! She lied and covered for him as well as for her self.

sara   March 25th, 2010 2:05 pm ET

You know, I noticed that the clock on the end table said 12:44 on it, I dont know about you, but, I dont usually go to get a movie and drinks at that hour of the morning, because he was going to get a movie and booze for them both. And, if she was already in bed like he said in his interview, then why was Baker leaving? It wasnt like she was going to sleep and then get up after midnight to begin drinking. And when he told the 911 caller that Karis' lips were blue makes me think, how long had she been dead? (long enough to type up a note, perhaps?) I wonder if they really did a time line on when the call went in, how long it would be before her lips should or could turn blue and how long was Matt gone? I'm sure they have a video at the store he went to. That could place in a time frame, maybe he stayed away long enough to where If he had already give her something in a pill BEFORE he left to really get into her system. He is GUILTY. Just my opinion

sherrian h.   March 25th, 2010 4:04 pm ET

well as i see it this girl venessa bull was helping matt baker or trying too. when she was telling him that by him tpying the note would get him in trouble an that would seem funny to the police but he just did not do it her way. he did not think so she admitted that part in court they should lock her up now. so sorry for the kids here there was two people that was in this plot to murder there mother all along. god bless this family

Gail M.   March 25th, 2010 5:16 pm ET

Ms. Bull is full of it. She should be on trail for assessory. It is evident that she is a women scorned.

John   March 25th, 2010 5:59 pm ET

The fact they had another child after the death of their daughter would make me believe that Mrs Baker may have had some depression issues but had plenty to live for. Note that her underwear was on really perfect and did not look like they had been put on in a frantic hurry while dealing with a 911 call and doing cpr. Mr Baker is guilty as sin and needs to go to jail forever. Mrs Bakers mom is an awsome woman and hopefully will get those little girls when this trail is over.

shelia pitt   March 26th, 2010 12:48 pm ET

i belive kari killed herself.and then it was left to believe that matt killed her.the exlover should have been charged seems as if she is mad because of the way he done her.but i believe she took her own life.if thats the case.then vanessia is guilty then he is

IMO   March 29th, 2010 3:26 am ET

There was no evidence that Kari was depressed, suicidal, or killed herself. Thank goodness the jury wasn't fooled. Vanessa was not a woman scorned – she is the one who broke off the relationship. Her testimony is believable for several reasons. If she lied, she would jeopardize her immunity. Also, if she were making up a story, she would have made herself look a lot better.

Ann   March 30th, 2010 8:36 am ET

I would have voted life for this wife killer. Too many husbands killing their wives so they don't have to split their assets and they want big insurance policies to pay for their future lives. These guys must have a special wing in the prison...a fraternity house for spouse killers and the walls should be decorated with pictures of their victims.

judith hood   March 30th, 2010 9:14 am ET

Can military service lead to violent behavior?

What a stupid question!

Military service IS violent behavior. DUH!

marsha   April 2nd, 2010 4:10 pm ET

Matt is in the place he belongs. He showed zero remorse and I beleive he also killed his daughter Kassidy. But he'll have to answer to a higher power than prison. At least he will not hurt nobody else.

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