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March 11, 2010

Crash reconstructed with animation

Posted: 05:21 PM ET

Computerized accident simulations can be very useful for investigators, especially when there are multiple eyewitness accounts. Using physics and mathematical equations, the animations are sometimes used in court as part of expert testimony.

Atlanta Engineering Services built a 3-D model of the crash of Michigan v. Stephen Davis for In Session. To learn more about the process, host Vinnie Politan paid the company a visit.

Filed under: Case Updates • Trials


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Candi   March 11th, 2010 5:58 pm ET

Is the prosecutor trying to lose his own case? His direct of the accident analyst practically blew up any case he may have had. The boys are arrogant and hostile and Mr. Davis looks better every minute.


Pamela Zwade   March 11th, 2010 6:02 pm ET

Cell phones maybe used between the 2 pick-up trucks to block Davis in as they thought was an exciting thing to do! The kids communicating with each other in the different pick-ups.


Les, Oregon   March 11th, 2010 6:38 pm ET

The way I see it, the crime scene investigator that just testified has sewn up the case for Davis. There is no way a jury can hear this testimony (an expert) and not aquit.


Alex   March 12th, 2010 5:02 am ET

I couldn't see Thursdays court session but what I have seen is kind of crazy everybodys testimony doesn't seem to match up. But for some reason I do believe that there's road rage from the defendent it's just the matter of proving it


Linda   March 12th, 2010 10:27 am ET

I have been following this trial as I do all trials at in session. I don't understand why the prosecuter hasn't put on a "black box" expert to talk about what Davis' car was doing just before the crash. We have seen these types of experts in several trials including the one in New Jersey. I think this type of expert would put questions that must be in the juror's minds at ease. Personally, I think that Davis just got caught up in the situation and it was the boys careless driving that caused the accident.


denise   March 12th, 2010 10:31 am ET

dear vinnie i think he should be guilty for want he did to from denise renne zalsman


jim   March 12th, 2010 10:50 am ET

WHY no coverage of the defence all the prosecution as most of your trials so unfair.All the teens lied to cover the real story of therm right from the start acting like fools.NOT GUILTY

Jim


patrick ehlmann   March 12th, 2010 10:53 am ET

i was very impressed by the performance of both attorneys. it was refreshing to see attorneys who appreciated the solemnity of the situation (all agreed this was a senseless tragedy), avoided over-the-top theatrics, and let witnesses testify instead of trying to focus attention on themselves. i have represented defendants in over 100 murder cases and have seldom seen a case in which both attorneys performed so capably. made me proud.
pat e.


Carolyn Webster   March 12th, 2010 11:01 am ET

Today is the end of the trial for Mr. Davis. The closing arguments by the prosecutor is bouncing off the walls. He has no consistency due to the fact the witnesses stories were changed numerous times from the date of the accident. This is a terrible tragedy, but no more than what happens everyday in life. Why punish Mr. Davis for the fault of the blue pickup driver's who himself, killed his passengers. He could have very simply put on the brake, got back behind Mr. Davis and all could possible be alive and drinking a soda together. However, due to either ignorance, or lack of proper training when learning how to drive if you are caught in a situation like this, the blue pickup driver is responsible for HIS passengers.


Randy   March 12th, 2010 11:05 am ET

A tragedy indeed, but why were the teens in the middle lane? I have seen some pretty inconsiderate drivers these days and half of them are teenagers behind the wheel. They really have drawn up the laws here in WA state to prohibit young drivers from doing just about anything in a vehicle besides just drive. Seems a little severe to try and sentence this man to 45 years in prison for an accident that was out of control or two drivers getting on to each others skin. Sincere feelings to the families of all involved but again I think it falls back on how these parents raise these children to disrespect all those around them except family. KUDOS to that!!


aj   March 12th, 2010 11:24 am ET

ask vinnie when the boys help the boy out of the truck, did this help or make more injurys.
and why if you have a back seat would the boys have 3 in the front and only 1 in the back.


Sue   March 12th, 2010 11:30 am ET

I'm curious as to why in the Stephen Davis trial, the passenger

in Mr. Davis' car was not called to testify for either side.


Jill   March 12th, 2010 11:42 am ET

As a mother of a 17-year old son, I cannot imagine losing him to such a horrific accident. However, my thoughts are that ALL drivers involved were negligent. If anything, I think they should ALL (including Stephen Davis) be guilty of contributory negligence. Is there such a thing?


Carol O'Donald   March 12th, 2010 11:50 am ET

The accident investigator said there was no contact between the two vehicles. However, using all the info he had gathered, did he not say that Mr. Davis' yaw marks were a result of him attempting to keep the truck from passing him in the turning lane? If this is true, then Mr. Davis is an active player in this accident. Carol in Texas


Barbara Cannon   March 12th, 2010 11:50 am ET

Of course the witnesses each saw something a little different. But they all lead to the same conclusion. The blue pick up was driving recklessly but he wasn't threatening anyone. The red car deliberatly caused the accident. He certainly must have been raging because no normal thinking person would take such action.


Shawn   March 12th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

If the teens that begain the race at the start have not raced at all Davis would have not bin known and those teens would be alive today your actions cause the reactions. I was young to and when I did rong I did try to throw blame on someone else to Davis is just a victome of some teens actions that caused a bad reaction.


Frank Russo   March 12th, 2010 12:29 pm ET

I’ve watch In Session for many years and I have never seen a more disorganized attorney as the defense attorney in this Road Rage trial. His constant flipping of the pages from his legal pad during is final argument wound drive me crazy. If I were the deferent I would be rally nerves.


Janet   March 12th, 2010 12:30 pm ET

I once again need to ask where the parents were. This reminds me of the case they showed a couple of weeks ago where the girls were driving and one died the other lived and they could not tell which one was driving and the girl couldn't remember. Well, the reality of it is these chirldren were underage and were out playing around in trucks. A vehicle is not a toy, they were driving erratically like kids do, a guy got mixed up in it and now a bunch of kids are dead because their parents were letting them run around playing with a vehicle. Parents need to take responsibility and make sure that their children are only using their vehicles going back and forth to school. There are also GPS systems you can hook up under the hood of your car and then you can go onto the web, pull up the manufacturers website and tell where the care is, how fast it is going, etc.

I had a woman tell me that you have to let your kids go sometime – yes, that is true but not until they are mature enough to drive cars responsibly. Kids also should not be allowed to drive together as that will usually cause problems also. Yes, I was a very strict parent and my child has turned out pretty ok – she is not perfect but all in all, I have been very lucky and I will tell you, I kept a very close eye on her and just didn't give her a car to play with. It went back and forth to school and work. She was not allowed to give people rides in it and it worked (knock on wood) pretty well for us. I am glad I was as strict as I was – she is now 24, gotten her degree and is working to save for a new car and house as she is planning on getting married next year.

Once again, I am not saying that I was the perfect parent nor was she the perfect child but I would check up on her when she said she was going somewhere – she never knew when we would show up so when she did go somewhere, she knew she had better be there because she never knew when I might show up to make sure she was where she said she would be.. I would use the cell phone I provided her to check up on her also. It also had a GPS system on it so I could find out where she was. Use these tools folks, it helps keep them safe. 'All that happened in this case was a waste of lives – now they are gone and their families are broken hearted and this could have been prevented. if just a few precautions were taken. My heart goes out to the families and friends involved.


Michelle   March 12th, 2010 12:50 pm ET

I feel that Mr. David is innocent. I've seen how kids like to aggravate older drivers. I do believe these teenagers blocked Mr. Davis in and could not do anything different than what he did. I feel if they convict Mr. Davis they would be sending an innocent man to jail. I believe it is the kid that should be held accountable and sent to jail.


L Riley   March 12th, 2010 12:55 pm ET

With all of these witnesses to this crash, had anyone tried calling 911 or notify the police from thier cell phones regarding the erratic driving by the parties involved in the crash?


Sandra Chandler-South Dakota   March 12th, 2010 12:57 pm ET

I think that the driver of the teal pickup is the primary fault. One of the friends said that the red GrandAm side swiped the teal truck, however, there was no paint transfere of red on the truck. C'mon. I hope that In Session carries the trial of the driver of that teal pickup.

Sandra


louisa danzell   March 12th, 2010 12:58 pm ET

What a sad case. This is why I firmly believe kids under 18 have no business driving.


Debbie Miranda   March 12th, 2010 1:14 pm ET

I would have to hear from Mr. Davis but watching the trial on tv I would find Mr. Davis innocent. Kids today are not safe behind the wheel. I know this from my own experience. I live in North Texas and every day I watch kids behind the wheel doing really stupid stuff and when they do get caught the exuses they come up with for what they had done. I have seen and witnessed almost every Friday and Saturday Nite and even seen teens raise not only their vehicles but motorcycles on the straight ways of central expressway a major highway that goes through several cities including Dallas. It seems that every nite you hear of a teen killed for street raceing. Kids think that nothing will happen to them. It's up to the parents to do the teaching.


Rick Bandy Madera Ca.   March 12th, 2010 1:29 pm ET

It appears to me that a lot of the teen witnesses have had over 18 months to get together on their testimony against Davis. I believe they want him convicted of causing the crash, to ease their actual feelings that they were a part of the cause of their friends deaths.


Nora   March 12th, 2010 1:30 pm ET

After watching this trial. It is tragic that these young lives were taking. BUT in order for this to be RIGHT , the other driver's involved MUST BE CHARGED also. the pickups were getting ready to box this guy in, and PUNK him. It is not right to charge 1 when ALL are just as guilty.


gladys hicks   March 12th, 2010 1:37 pm ET

There is no doubt in my mind that the teenage drivers caused the accident that killed 3 young men ...I believe they had time to concoct stories to eliminate their actions,leaving the blame soley on mr. Davis


Mac McKnight   March 12th, 2010 1:46 pm ET

The defense may have given us a clue to the verdict by saying that he delivered the knock out punch in his post trial interview. Prosecutor is a Bozo referencing the Bible and Gone with the Wind!


Dean   March 12th, 2010 1:53 pm ET

The problem with Mr. Davis is he injected himself into this incident and escalated this into a tragic multiple deaths. If he had simply called 911 instead of playing COP and cutting in front of the bad boys, slamming on his brakes repeatedly to teach them a lesson this would not have happened. He and his buddy proved they were just as stupid as the boys in the pickup trucks. Without his interference on Davis's part these three boys would still be alive today. Davis forced the blue truck into the oncoming traffic. Both drivers are guilty of gross negligence.


Larry   March 12th, 2010 1:53 pm ET

The driver of the pick up that hit the bus is responsible, he is the one and only one responsible. It was his decision to drive like a mad man and even if prevoked he and only he decided to drive 90 mph in the center, non passing lane. If I were on the jury I would aquit Davis with out hesitation.


Steve   March 12th, 2010 2:01 pm ET

It is bad that someone got killed in that wreck. If the kids to day wouldn't drive the way they do today like they are invincible while driving that would have helped. The kids around here think that way and they own more than just a few utilitie poles on the street I live on because of speeding and playing games.


Tammie Fields   March 12th, 2010 2:09 pm ET

I taught Driver Education and Driver Testing in the State of MI for the last 12 years...There is a great number of responsible young men and women who have gone through the MI graduated Driver License System. This allow teens at the age of 14 yrs. 8 mo. to enroll in a Segment I class. This consists of 24 hrs. of Classroom and 6hrs of behind the wheel individual drives with a certified instructor and 4hrs of observation of another student driving. They must also attend and pass a Segment II class. Then after driving with their parents or anyone over 21 their parents allow for 50 hrs and 10 of which has to be at night they are eligible for a Road Test. This test consists of a 3 part parking segment and 45 mins. of on the road testing. When they turn 16 they can then drive except for the hours of midnight to 5 am. if they do not have any tickets, accidents or violations of the GLD. When they turn 17 they can then have a unrestricted license.

Sometimes teens live for the moment and make bad choices. This looks like what happened in this case. The MI system is not perfect, and sometimes not all Driving Companies do their job in reinforcing the fact that this is such a huge responsibility for teens, and their lives could be lost in a split second. I just retired and believe that the State, driving instructors, and parents could do more to help remind our young people to remember this.

While driving with students everyday experienced drivers would cut us off or pull out in front of us because they thought we would be to slow. We as adults must become better role models for our young drivers.

thank you,
Tammie Fields
Former Driving Instructor


GERRY   March 12th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

Two wrongs don't make it right he is guilty..........He pushed the gas .....


the trooph   March 12th, 2010 2:22 pm ET

there is no reason this man should be on trial . He obviously wasnt the CAUSE of the accident .Every reasonable person with common sence should be able to see that thos kids were already drivin in and out of traffic , CRAZINESS. If I were on the road at the time i wouldnt know how to react.


Pam, MI   March 12th, 2010 2:22 pm ET

Of course our sympathy's go to the victims families, however they are still partially responsible for this crash. I believe Davis should be convicted of the lesser charge, as he should pay for his part. My comment is regarding the obvious false statements given by the other teens that they were not fooling around. While they realize that this is serious, they obviously do not get the meaning of being under oath. I believe charges should be filed against them for lying under oath! People need to take responsibility for their actions and quit blaming other people!


Mark Collier   March 12th, 2010 2:24 pm ET

iobject,

I object to this whole trial. The pick up truck was at fault. Leave well enough alone. How many lives need to be taken? It was an accident.


Keri - Oregon   March 12th, 2010 2:25 pm ET

I completely agree with " DEAN'S " comment, above ! Yes the driver of the truck who hit the bus was driving way too fast. But why was he ? and why did both he and Mr. Davis both start the swerving. Clearly, the boy was tired of Mr. Davis "braking" him, so he went into the turning lane to pass Mr. Davis – to get away from him (the other witnesses had to have been speeding as well, since they testified they were keeping up with them and that their bumper was in line with the defendants, otherwise the boy could have passed in the Right lane of travel). NO -Paint transfer between Davis and the truck, says alot ! Davis saw that the truck was going to pass him and he swerved in front of him to prove he was the almighty driver – and in this case he got what he wanted-he proved to the boys that they can't pass him) causing the boy to swerve into on-coming traffic to avoid hitting Mr. Davis. I have watched this case from the beginning, and I believe that we cannot aquit just because we think the boy would of wrecked anyways... The facts are, the boy had to avoid wrecking into Mr. Davis , when Mr. Davis pulled in front of him. Davis over-corrected because he pulled in front of the boy, quickly pulled back into the left lane of travel to avoid being rear-ended !!! Why else would he have over-corrected" ??? The accident – re-constructurist never explained why they started swerving ? Look at Mr. Davis, why does he look nervous? Because he knows he caused that accident, he is GUILTY !!!


James Hattabaugh   March 12th, 2010 2:29 pm ET

It is obvious that the kids involved that took the stand played down their childish horseplay on the roadway. Why is it that someone always has to be to blame, and pay a significant price ? Should Mr. Davis spend 45 years behind bars because he had the misfortune to be in the area where these kids were bucking for an accident anyway. What happened was terrible, yet there were 4 drivers which anyone of the 4 could have stopped this ongoing road horseplay at any time. Let Mr. Davis go, as there is a mountain of reasonable doubt.


Eileen Davitt   March 12th, 2010 2:33 pm ET

We all understand the risk we take every time we get behind the wheel. We all also understand the ramifications of our actions. Mr. Davis behaved poorly. He wasn't just unlucky, he was grossly at fault. But we too are at fault, every time we speed, run a red light, text, or commit other infractions, we too are at risk, and we too, understand the ramifications of our actions. But does that stop us from doing it? Unfortunately no...


AngelicaC.   March 12th, 2010 2:36 pm ET

In the michigan vs Davis case, i believe Mr. davis should not have engaged in any kind of interaction with the teenagers. having said that, the fact that we see people reffering to the teens' acts as "they were being teenagers" is what is giving other teens the ok to behave so irresponsibly. I as a parent would be placing the blame on my children's inability to be responsible. they could have killed many by their actions that day, had they not hit that big bus. we need to hold parents and youth accountable for their actions behind the wheel.


the trooph   March 12th, 2010 2:37 pm ET

those prosecution witnesses sound pretty rehearsed to me "roadrage" also they all seem to be lying and contradicting the prosecutions own experts . It all seems that they are trying to blame someone and Mr. Davis was a good candidate. its ashame what people will do to point the blame on some one else. NOT GUILTY


Angie   March 12th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

You know, I want people to be real and to train children in the proper way. Parents should also monitor their children's activities and the company that they hang around. Children should not be let loose and be allowed to act like adults. Yes, they do not have the same level of maturity as adults, and that's the very reason why we should have limits for them. A vehicle is a weapon, and can be very dangerous, so whoever is behind the wheels should be very responsible persons.
Mr. Davis also should have behaved in a more mature manner and not engaged these children who seem to have been let loose. I hope everyone learns a lesson from this and act appropriately in the future. God be with them all.


Alissa   March 12th, 2010 2:44 pm ET

Why was the passenger in Mr. Davis' vehicle not called as a witness? The young men who were passengers in the trucks were called to testify. Obviously they had a biased view of the events... But, that is human nature. Wouldn't some insight into the perspective of the Davis passenger be just as relavent?


Carol   March 12th, 2010 2:45 pm ET

We have children just like these children and they do the same exact thing all of the time going down our little road at over 80 miles an hour and thinking nothing about it.
I keep saying that one day there is goint to be a horrible accident on this road and someone is going to get killed and they use these huge trucks just like in this case so this blame game is getting is really getting old the children all like playing the game of who can die first game that is what they are playing.


Cathy   March 12th, 2010 2:58 pm ET

I have been following the trial the last couple of days and the word , "ACCIDENT" has been used alot and loosely. I was in law enforcement for 24 years in the DC area. I have found that an accident does not just happen for no reason or action. There is a cause an and effect to every accident. Both parties are at fault in someway or another. Whether it was teenagers screwing around behind the wheel and then you have an adult who is tried of seeing this kind of action and wants to try to stop their actions and then we have a pissing contest between the two vehicles and because both vehicles would not back off then the end result a FATAL accident. The boys in the truck have been dished their judgement...Death. So now it is time for Davis to face up to his actions. I beleive in everyone is entitled to a fair trial but stop making Davis look like he did no wrong in this case.


George   March 12th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

In the event I am not here to find out the verdict, how will I find out the outcome


LWAGENER   March 12th, 2010 3:02 pm ET

I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF THOSE KIDS KNOW THE REAL TRUTH. NONE OF THE PROSECTION WITNESS TOLD THE SAME STORY WHEN PLACING THE VEHICLES LIKE THEY REMEMBER THIS TERRIBLE ACCIDENT. THE THROWING OF A PLACTIC BOTTLE OR WHATEVER TELLS ENOUGH THAT ALL THE KIDS DO NOT AGREE THAT HAPPEN. IT IS SO SAD FOR THE LOST OF THE KIDS AND PARENTS BUT I TRULY BELIEVE THE KIDS ARE AT FAULT AND THIS SHOULD BE A LESSON TO ALL KIDS DRIVING AND TRYING TO PIN THINGS ON SOMEONE ELSE FOR THEIR MISTAKES. THIS WILL NOT BRING BACK THE LIVES OF THESE KIDS, BUT KIDS DO ALOT OF NONSENIBLE THINGS AND DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THE BLAME.
SORRY FOR ALL THE LOST OF THESE LIVES BUT THESE PICTURES SHOULD BE SHOWN IN SCHOOLS TO REMIND KIDS WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN NOT USING YOUR BRAIN AND GOING OUT AND HAVING FUN AND TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO EVERYONE.


Angel   March 12th, 2010 3:05 pm ET

i think that davis was dumb for playing there game if he was and it's dumb for these kids to be playing these type games on the road they knew the danger that was involved there was a case i think last year a teenager in florida was racing lost control and crashed into the paytoll and lost his life now a days you have alot of teenagers driving carelessly and other people have to pay for there actions and senseless mistakes.


Fred Hayden   March 12th, 2010 3:11 pm ET

The big question in this trial is, why did the red Pontiac also hit the bus?
It was concluded that the Pontiac never touched James truck.
What appears to have happened is Davis swerved left at James and when he swerved back to the right he is the one that lost control because
he skidded drivers side first into the bus.It should also be mentioned that
he is allegedly an adult and should act like one.He should be held at least
50% liable if not more.


Beth   March 12th, 2010 3:16 pm ET

IF the red car was brake checking the teal truck, why didn't the teal truck slow down instead of speeding up and trying to pass. Or why didn't the teal truck move over to the right lane instead of speeding up and trying to pass.


Redrammechanic   March 12th, 2010 3:18 pm ET

In any of the senarios, it is obvious that if the Dodge ram was NOT in the turning lane– the accident would not have taken place. The ram truck at any point could have backed down, hit the brakes and avoided the incident–plain and simple!


Molly   March 12th, 2010 3:21 pm ET

Can anybody please tell me what was in the statements of Mr. Davis that were kept from the jury?

I have watched this whole trial – had to go to an appointment and missed this part of the coverage.

Thank you!!


annette   March 12th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

1ST I FEEL 4 THE MOMS AND DADS WHO LOST THEIR KIDS,BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON,T KNOW WHY MR.DAVIS IS IN COURT THIS WAS A ACCIDENT THAT THE KIDS SHOULD HAVE STOPED.AND I KNOW AS A MOM IT,S HARD 2 PUT BLAM ON YOUR ON CHILD AND SO EASY TO BLAM SOMEONE ELSE.IT,S A VAEY SAD ACCIDENT AND I THINK MR.DAVIS WAS SOME OF THEIR WAY OUT AND NOT BLAM THEIR KIDS.AND AGAIN MY HEART GOES OUT 2 THEM.


D. Smith   March 12th, 2010 3:25 pm ET

I lost my 16-year-old son in a car accident June 16, 2006. He was with three of his friends. I cry when the parents cry. I feel empathy for the families. I'm taking Development Psychology and they teach you that teenagers are prone to take risks. It's part of the phase they go through. It's normal.


Fred Hayden   March 12th, 2010 3:30 pm ET

The reconstruction of the crash was totally useless,it doe's not show the cause of the crash,only the vehicles skidding in the oncoming lane,It's
pretty obvious how the damage came about to anyone but a blind man.
All of the testimoney appears to be useless,as the evidence is laid out
on the street and in the crash evidence itself,the big question still remains,
what caused the Pontiac to also go to the left with the truck.


Sandra L. Noll   March 12th, 2010 3:38 pm ET

I fell the other teens should have had restricions on the licences for having other teens in the car or trucks at the time of the crash. All are at fault. No one person should be on trial, just because the family what to know what happen. Let them look into what happened instead of suing someone.l


Donna Gillespie   March 12th, 2010 3:38 pm ET

I believe Mr. Davis got angry and engaged in the action of teaching the
teenagers a lesson. Based on the definitions Ryan and Sunny brought to our attention, I do feel strongly that the jury must return a negligence verdict.....as opposed to gross negligence. Mr. Davis needs to take responsibility for this accident and not try to evade disciplinary action.


Thereasa   March 12th, 2010 3:42 pm ET

Its a very sad thing but these parents should be more careful who their kids ride with .


kevin-oregon   March 12th, 2010 3:50 pm ET

Hmmmm, inexperienced teenagers and a car crash. Seems like accidents happen


Fred Hayden   March 12th, 2010 4:02 pm ET

It was established that davis hit the bus a split second before the truck,
hence,how could James have been going a lot faster than Davis?
Here is something else,if two vehicles make contact going about the same
speed, the chance of a paint transfer is slim because there is not enough
heat generated to melt the paint causing the transfer.


Debra   March 12th, 2010 4:15 pm ET

In springfield, IL, if you were under the age of 18, you could only have 1 person in the car. If you were caught you could loose your license. Maybe other states need to look at this. Too many in a car or truck don't help a driver know what is right or wrong, it's a fun ride.
I am pretty sure it was for the whole state of Illinois. And if Mr. Davis is responsible, so is the other young driver, he could have pulled over as well, but again he was the one passing everyone and driving crazy. He took his friends lives and a very sad lesson to learn for someone who is 17. At 17 you know better and they were having a good time tormenting another driver and it was fun for them. Now it's not fun, after the outcome. And now it is Mr. Davis's fault. I think the other driver is at fault and he will get his punishment for the rest of his life, he lost his friends while he was driving. And if he did remember what happened it will never be the truth, he will not want anyone to know it really was his fault. I myself would never want to take 3 wonderful lives away from those families. I have children and they are my life.


Dan in California   March 12th, 2010 4:18 pm ET

I would like to hear why the experts are so sure the truck and the gran am did not make contact. No paint transfer? One witness said the bumpers touched. I believe the vehicles did touch, based on the skid marks and loss of control starting at the same time and place for both vehicles. So, yes, I am disagreeing with the expert witness or witnesses.


Donna Gillespie   March 12th, 2010 4:29 pm ET

Both Mr. Davis and the teenager in the teal truck were at fault. BOTH are at fault. Negligence.........absolutely..........gross negligence.....no.


rhoward   March 12th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

If the jury is looking to convict Mr. Davis for this wreck, the only totally believable witness was the accident reconstructionist. All of the drivers and passengers in the four vehicles involved were out and out liars. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for their behavior but they're not. I doubt they've really learned anything at all from this experience.


Ron   March 12th, 2010 4:54 pm ET

The bottom line is, Davis purposely put himself in that situation. He WASN'T trapped, or "in the wrong place, at the wrong time." All he had to do was lift his foot off the accelerator as everyone else did. He was intentionally within the mix.

The re-constructionist believed the vehicles never made contact. If this is true, it only proves that Davis was driving in such a manner that he lost complete control of his vehicle on a dry, paved roadway. Not because he collided with the truck, but because he was driving like complete idiot.

They all played their part in this tragedy; and to say that Davis was just an innocent victim of circumstance, is utterly ridiculous.


Dana   March 12th, 2010 6:07 pm ET

what happened is a crying shame,you had a man who the kids passed and he decided to speedup to keep them from passing and therefore they hit the front side of the bus trying to miss it .I have seen this before it.It is hard to explain but it happens people act stupid at times and Iam sure the kids were driving crazy and davis just added to it they say he was going to teach them a lesson well lesson learned huh? There is no doubt he was upset and therefore sped up to keep them from passing.and look at the results of his little road rage tatrum. It is a shame.


Kari   March 12th, 2010 6:28 pm ET

If (according to ALL the teenagers) none of them were driving incorrectly or irratically then why would Mr Davis of had "road-rage" at the teenagers for their driving and therefore gonna "teach them a lesson". I would like to have seen at least one of the teens admit they were goofing around and driving inproperly. Doyle came the closest but still would not admit the very dangerous driving of the gentleman in the teal truck. These kids I believe where messing around and therefore caused a very serious accident. Not real sure why Davis lost control but also not convinced he intentially would cause an accident like this. I mean he could have very easily been killed also and most definitely he would not intentially ram his car into another car. Wondering too why his passenger didn't testify.


Darby   March 12th, 2010 6:37 pm ET

To me, the bottom line is that the driver of the teal truck put all of the others on the road in that situation.

All the driver of the teal truck had to do was drive normally and not like a maniac and all of this could have been prevented.

Mr. Davis, to me, was driving along the road as a law-abiding citizen until these kids came up behind him, passed him, and played leap-frog all around him.

An earlier commenter said something like "The blue pick up was driving recklessly but he wasn't threatening anyone. The red car deliberatly caused the accident.."

For anyone to say that the blue pick up wasn't threatening anyone hasn't been watching the testimony. The pick up was going FAST, after driving recklessly for miles. That driver needs to really think about what he started and how this ended.


paulette   March 12th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

I don't think Davis had a chance with the 3 big trucks against him in his smaller car. They all knew it when they thought he was going to pass them and decided they would show him who owned the road.


D   March 12th, 2010 8:11 pm ET

No one can dispute that the teenagers acted recklessly. However, it is irresponsible to assume that particular day that they would have 100% gotten into an accident. The question is whether Mr. Davis engaged these teens in such a manner as to have contributed to this accident. The reconstruction speaks for itself.


Nancy Corbett   March 12th, 2010 9:36 pm ET

I really believe that Mr. Davis should be found not guilty of manslaughter. I believe the teenagers were at fault. The expert said the teal truck was going 80-90 miles per hr, no wonder he lost control of the truck when he saw the bus coming. It seems that it is lucky that only 3 people were killed , it could have been alot worse. There could have been students on the busand witnesses could have been killed also. This was NOT road rage it was teenagers playing around!!


ruth   March 12th, 2010 10:00 pm ET

I work in law enforcement and I have been on several multiple vehicle collisions, with fatalities. It is common to find the cause and if it is the fault of a driver they are held accountable. In some cases there are more than one cause and in this case I believe there is. Mr. Davis made a poor judgment that added to the out come of this collision. I think he will be found guilty for at least involuntary vehicle manslaughter.
The factors in this case that make it bad for Davis, is Davis is the only Adult and he got involved on his own free will. My heart goes out to all the families involved including Mr. Davis’s family as they stand to loose a family member to. It is a shame that the collision occurred as Mr. Davis believed he was just trying to slow the erratic drivers. It is also a shame that the teens involved where so reckless and un concerned for other's safety as well as there own. True they will miss their own growing up, but they were part of the problem, NOT total victims. If Davis is found at fault I believe he should only be responsible for the two passengers deaths, not the teen driver‘s. That young man mad his own bed. All teens need to be told daily, not to speed and not to tailgate and that a motor vehicle is a dangerous vessel that comes with responsibility. P.S. I though I could see some kind of bottles and or cans all over the roadway, which must have come out of the back of the blue dodge P/U. NOT FACT< JUST A TOUGHT: Did this teen have a history of driving erratic and maybe even drinking?????? Maybe local law enforcement should have caught that teen driver long ago and had his license pulled till he is, 18? Alcohol or not, ant illegal actions a teen driver is caught doing should result in having their license pulled.


alan   March 13th, 2010 11:54 am ET

I AM with Dean Davis forced the truck into oncoming traffic . He pulled in the third lane so FAST he couldn't controle his own car . if they had hit the brakes. He would have hit the bus anyway. they should have went right . Davis would have ben the only one that hit the bus.


Rodman   March 14th, 2010 10:24 pm ET

I don't see how Mr. Davis can lose this one. It was truly a tragic accident in which all the teens were at fault, not merely one. Maybe it is time to get rid of the eyewitnesses how all have various accounts and simply rely on the experts.


Shay   March 15th, 2010 10:02 am ET

I don’t see how anyone can objectively determine who is “more at fault” for this accident when both Davis and LaCoursiere were driving recklessly. While it’s true that LaCoursiere is to blame for driving at such a high rate of speed, it’s also true that it wasn’t until Davis suddenly swerved into LaCoursiere’s lane and then jerked back to the right that both drivers lost control of their vehicles and slammed into the bus. If this is so, then they’re both responsible and they both need to be held accountable for the senseless, tragic deaths of these three young men.


Gina   March 15th, 2010 10:59 am ET

If anyone is charged here it should have been Doyle. He started the irresponsible behavior that led up to the accident happening.


Lee Fairfax   March 15th, 2010 11:14 am ET

there but for fortune go you all. How many of us have experienced having over-testeroned teenage drivers speed recklessly past us on blind turns or foggy nights? I speak from multiple experiences but I managed, with luck, to make it thru. I have, also, come up on the offending truck, on it's side, off the road a few miles later. Mr Davis was just caught up in a high speed, bottle tossing, pick up truck teenage race and didn't know where to go to get out of thier way. He barely had seconds to react. My kids hated the ugly old station wagons I bought them and the rules that went with it, but they gradually learned to be responsible drivers. Had i been in the jury I would NEVER have gone for anything less than NOT GUILTY. if it hung the jury, so be it.


sandy folsom   March 15th, 2010 11:19 am ET

i do not think mr.davis should have got off that easy.2 years?i have been watching this court and my opinion is that mr.davis was just as guilty and i believe that it was road rage.i believe that mr.davis also egged the teenagers on and that they were racing.mr. davis should have gotten 15years for each boy possibilty life imprisonment.it was obvious,that these drivers were playing,russian roulet,with all lives that were present on the highway that fatal day. sandy


Brandy   March 15th, 2010 11:28 am ET

I feel for all the parents. All the kids in that truck should be guilty even the one's that passed away. They should not been on the road driving like that to begin with. The man that just got found guilty of manslauter 3 counts I think is just crazy. Michigan has suckey laws.


ruth   March 15th, 2010 12:59 pm ET

Alan, I think you mean the teal truck should have gone LEFT, that is the only way I see they could have avoided the bus. Of course that would mean it would have further traveled illegally on the roadway.
The fact is none of the vehicles should have been in the center turn lane. They all created the situation with one bad/reckless decision after another.
Mr Davis is responsible and so is the teen driving the teal truck.
It will be interesting to see what the jury decides, crappy court proceedings, or not. I hope they do the right thing. It is all such a shame.


Kristien   March 15th, 2010 2:51 pm ET

If you watch the re-enactment of the video of how the crash happened, The driver of the blue car passed Mr. Davis, he could have chosen to pass him in the middle turn lane but chose to go into oncoming traffic which led to him hitting the bus. I think when Mr. Davis saw the bus coming towards the truck he hit his brakes and lost control of his own car. Any and all of those kids that were in the car could have told him to stop anytime. The driver of the truck was responsible for all of those kids including making them wear their seat belts. I feel sorry for the families that lost their children, but you have to teach your child that a car is a killing machine if not used properly, drinking and driving, speeding or even being on your cell phone. James Lacrouse could have slowed down, why was he trying to pass unless he was just trying to show off for his friends. Mr. Davis did not make him go into oncoming traffic. James is responsible for his friends losing their lives and no-one else.


jennifer   March 15th, 2010 4:00 pm ET

No one is at fault. Yes, this is a horrible tragedy, but it was a complete accident. Being a parent i would be upset and completely angry and of course want nothing but for him to pay. BUT! The boys were being "adventurous" as any average teenager would be. As irritating as it may be for any average person driving down the road, no one is going to want to be behind anyone, a teenager, adult, senior, who is driving ridiculously and would attempt to go around them. In no way do i believe Davis was thinking, "Im going to go around these kids and run them off the road to kill them, because they made me mad, and dont know how to drive the correct way." I do beleive he was agravated with the kids and just wanted to go around them. period! In no way did he mean to hurt them in anyway muchless kill them. I dont beleive either, the kids or Davis were in the right with their actions, but I definatly believe everyone has paid for what has happened.


darli   March 15th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

i watched this whole trial and at first agreed that the kids were at fault. i think they were being stupid and were the root cause. by the end of the trial i had changed my mind and feel davis should have stayed out of it. any smart driver would not try to correct kids in traffic. maybe they would have been in a accident anyway but at least he would not have been responsible had he stayed out of the picture.

i have lost a child myself and if davis did even the least little thing to contribute to this i feel he should take the punishment. losing a child needlessly is the most horrible thing a parent could suffer. the trauma and the loss is something you can never get over. davis can't understand that since he didn't lose a child. maybe he will stay out of dangerous driving situations after he has time to think about how serious his actions were and what they contributed to the situation. my heart goes out the families of the 3 boys that died.


darli   March 15th, 2010 7:01 pm ET

and 15-24 months is not enough for the lives of 3. i hope davis understands that although he is not fully responsible, he is responsible and he has forever changed the lives of many. the pain these families feel will never completely go away. i hope his memory of this never goes away and he never gets involved in anything like this again. time is jail is needed for him to understand what he did.


kari   March 15th, 2010 8:03 pm ET

these people were behaving irrationally.the teens were intentionally trying to block davis in.why were they instigating in the first place?
i heard several people say that davis is "an adult" is "older" and "should have known better". really? that implies that older drivers should somehow become baby-sitters for younger drivers.to hell with that. everyone with a license is equal;we all take the same test, pay the same amount for the license, etc.if you arent as experienced as me, thats your problem, not mine.and, if older drivers are responsible for watching out for younger ones, then perhaps the minimum driving age should be raised???
i agree that the loss of life is tragic, but at some point people need to be responsible for themselves.according to the accident reinactment, it looks like the whole thing could have been avoided if the truck had not tried to pass the red car the last time.


R Berry   March 16th, 2010 4:43 pm ET

I havn't watched or read all comments but some things I havent seen mentioned are why Davis' skid marks start in center / not turn lane,why are there skid marks if car has anti-lock brakes (same ? for ill-fated truck), what part did dirt/debris in turn lane have. Also dont anybody think that mind set of sociatey played a part, Davis may be affected by the facts that it seems that "everyone" wants to infringe on someone elses rights and was irritated by a bunch of smart-ass teens playing a game in what he perceived was his legit area of road way ??? What about the reading of the "black boxes ?
Seemed like a weak performance by prosecutor and maybe poor jury selection by defense ????????


donna z, indiana   March 26th, 2010 6:56 pm ET

Hey Vinnie, do you think Kari was feeling bad from a milk shake that Matt laced the night before the e-mail? Maybe since she did not die from the milk shake he knew he would have to smother her!


Jurgan   March 31st, 2010 4:23 pm ET

Taking the 5th doesn't matter weather or not you've already been convicted ...A person may choose to take the 5 th as to not further incriminate themselves later on down the road of appeals...How dare a judge badger a witness to answer the questions..shame on our court system!


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