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November 18, 2008

Kid vid

Posted: 02:53 PM ET

NEW YORK–Twelve minutes of video have just been released, showing the eight-year-old Arizona boy accused of double murder doing something surprising: calmly answering police questions after the killings, denying any involvement.

An 8-year-old boy accused in the shooting deaths of his father and another man interviewed by police

I’ve watched all of the video that’s been released, and the boy certainly comes across as consistent and believable in his denials. He says he came home from school to find the bloody bodies of his father and his father’s friend. He touched his father’s body to see if he was “a little bit alive,” then cried, then ran to a neighbor’s house for help. He said a car sped away from the scene.

Authorities say that the boy confessed to the premeditated killing. If he did, it’s not on the portion of the tape I saw. Which raises more disturbing questions, namely, how reliable is the confession of an eight year old when he’s questioned at length by police without an attorney, parent or guardian present? What kind of people are we to try this boy as an adult, as Arizona authorities are considering, when he would never be treated as an adult in any other context?

At least the interrogation was videotaped, so the judge can watch it all and decide whether the boy was susceptible to suggestion. Children that young will tell adults what they want to hear, without any appreciation of the long-term consequences. Let’s not prejudge this boy until the facts are clear.

–Lisa Bloom, In Session anchor

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Holly   November 18th, 2008 3:04 pm ET

Uh , don't they have a gun ? There must be other evidence lying around . Ya think ? I doubt the police are going to try and pin a double homicide on an eight year old if they don't have to !


PJ Anderson   November 18th, 2008 5:07 pm ET

OK People, Stop hateing on the young rich beautiful woman witth her whole life on the line!! She does not seem guilty and think about why would she try to give cpr? Makes no since. Innocent!


Charles Harris   November 18th, 2008 6:21 pm ET

I have my doubts that this kid killed his father and his friend. Police there need to do ssome old fashion police work and find out what has taken place. The kid seems to be consistent in his story on the video that I have seen. There is moree to this story that is not being revealed to the public. TO; POLICE DON'T FRAME THIS KID!!!!


cel miquelo   November 18th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

After the drew Peterson afair i lost all the confidence

in the police. No miranda rigths,no atorny, they abuse that litle kid.


Jen   November 18th, 2008 6:40 pm ET

True Holly. But, If this is a small town, maybe someone in the police department are covering up for one of their own and they found an easy target.


Jessica   November 18th, 2008 6:41 pm ET

When I first heard that a 8 yr old done this I said no. Mind you ,I just watched an Oprah segment on supposdely child killers where they police scared them into saying that they did. They used all kind of means keeping them awake all nigh telling them that the parents lat words that they kid did it. How long had the two people been dead and why did his mom fly back home? Why no ne in the family took the child were are the grandparents??? There should be outrage that they used gorilla tatics on this kid and u just know they did. I have been praying for this little boy!


David   November 18th, 2008 6:43 pm ET

If they have a taped confession, why would you edit that part of the tape out? And if there is a gun in evidence, I wouldn't be surprised if they handed it to the kid and asked him if he'd seen it before for the fingerprints. Sounds like pretty shoddy police work if you ask me. No wonder the judge issued a gag order.


Kevin   November 18th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

All I can say about what I have read so far is... Does the name "Michael Crowe" mean anything to anyone? Interrogated AN 8 YEAR OLD, with no parent/guardian/attorney present. The "confession" part of the interrogation not released. These two things by themselves have already raised eyebrows. There is no excuse for the failure to follow proper procedures, especially when a child is involved. My heart goes out to all involved. Hopefully, what really happened will come out.


Sara   November 18th, 2008 7:31 pm ET

In response to "I doubt the police are going to try and pin a double homicide on an eight year old if they don’t have to!"

They already have! The POLICE CHIEF said on camera "We solved the crime, now we just have to solve the mystery of why"

When I first heard about this story I of course thought it was tragic, but not unbelievable. But they questioned this kid without parents or a lawyer or anything? Are you kidding – that is SOOOO inappropriate! I read that he wasn't read his rights either, but people are supposed to understand what those rights mean and seriously, how could an eight-year-old comprehend "You have the right to remain silent" "You have the right to an attourney". Like an 8 year old is going to refuse to talk to a police officer. And would he even know what an attourney is? This is insane and I hope there are reprocussions for the officers who are involved. To me it sounds like either a cover-up or someone is trying to get credit for quickly solving a crime.


ksand 247   November 18th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

This is a sad story no matter what stories come out as to motive. In my heart I cannot believe this CHILD just wanted to kill his father for no reasonable cause. There had to be some real motivation for a CHILD to act in this manner. We all need to wait for all the facts in this case to come out and pray for this CHILD because the emotional scares that are there from before the murders and the one that will come from the proceeding after will be very deep.


Steve Bell   November 18th, 2008 7:41 pm ET

For Police to question this child without a parent or guardian present and without a lawyer, is irresponsible, unjust, and WRONG, these so-called POLICE know better, and chose to break the miranda rights given to ALL people of this nation, not only should this interrogation be thrown into the fire and buried, but these so-called Officers of the Law, should be strip of thier police duties and ran out of town.


Edward   November 18th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

Uh, excuse me but since when does being charged with a crime make someone guilty? And, since what point in time have the police been producing perfect investigations?

Hmmm. Let's see, interrogation of an eight year old without a parent and attorney present. Apparently the biological mother (ex-wife of the victim) was in town during the shooting. She could have at least gotten a public defender and sat with the boy during questioning.

I wonder why she was not involved and simply left town. And, I wonder why the police did not hold her as a material or non-material witness until they were able to question her and the boy further.

I am very concerned about the mother's and the police detectives' behavior.


Edward   November 18th, 2008 7:49 pm ET

I smell a rat.


Melissa   November 18th, 2008 7:52 pm ET

I don't think that the boy had anything to do with the death of his father or the other man. I believe that he was asked and asked again until he finally gave the police what they wanted to hear... they needed to put the blame on someone fast so that they make themselves look good, they really don't care what really happened or how traumatized that boy really is!


Marcus Snipes   November 18th, 2008 7:53 pm ET

This Absurd! In a country were we preach Innocent until proven guiltyand proper representation. It is a law minor children need to have a parent or guardian present to be interrogated or questioned. Why is it that we allow this 8year old to be charged and questioned about a double homicide were his father was a victim. We have to assume his side of the story is true until proven not so. Justice for all.Does this not include the children!


Jon Schmier   November 18th, 2008 9:15 pm ET

questioned without an attorney?....Where did these law enforcment employyes get there training from??....


sandy   November 18th, 2008 9:43 pm ET

uh! I dont doubt it for a New York minute they would try and pin it on an eight year old boy. Questioning a child without a parent present is the first clue something is wrong in Dodge. The next clue is who in hell tries to charge an 8yr old as an adult before they have all the facts and the evidence in. Something is not right.


LONNIE   November 18th, 2008 10:31 pm ET

THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE SYSTEM THAT TOOK AWAY ALL OF THE PARENTS RIGHTS ON RAISING THEIR OWN CHILDREN.. NO HITTING, YELLING, SPANKING ETC. THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE COURTS INTRUSION. ALL THESE LAWS SHOULD BE VOIDED AND LET THE PARENTS HAVE THE CONTROL BACK.


Kat McGuire, KS   November 19th, 2008 12:11 am ET

I think everyone is looking for any reason to protect this boy because it is unfathomable that an 8 year old killed his dad and his dads friend in todays society.

I don't see what there is not to understand or be shocked about. Look what these kids now a days are exposed to. Look at the shows that are TV and the video games; sex and violence.

As a former foster parent for over 10 years I worked with a lot of these kids that fell through the cracks. Drug addicted parents, incarcerated parents, throw away kids, unmanageable kids, drug and alcohol addicted kids, pregnant kids....the list goes on and on.....

Look what is in the news right on CNN: "15 year old girl killed another girl to make her feel what she did", "8 year old killed his father and fathers friend"....the list goes on and on.....and these are only the ones that make the headline news!

Wake up America and start raising these kids with morals and values or don't get pregnant to begin with! America has to many throw aways and kids should not be part of it!!!!

Ask yourself now who is to blame?


J Winter   November 19th, 2008 3:17 am ET

I would like to start out by saying this...SHAME.!
Shame on all levels of the arresting and charging parties of the, so called, protectors of even the most simple, basic, and down rite idiot proof laws of the democratic mainstream. Children are the future (excuse the cliche) of this once great and fading democratic state of which we live our spoiled and vain riddled lives. To pick on and intimidate a child who we know is incapable of comprehending adult situations, is down right wrong and absurd. My nephew was once interegated by a police officer over the arson of my family's house. Interegated!!....that word should not even be used in the same sentence as child. It makes me sick to see this video on the news because i saw first hand what pressure on a child in the form of criminal circumstances does. My nephew was eight when this occured and was put in a position where he was asked if he was playing with matches. This would insinuate that he may have set fire to the house. Children cannot and should not be interegated because they are not capable of such things in a criminal state of mind. And if they are by a small chance...THEN WE AS ADULTS ARE TO BLAME. P.S sorry for not spell checkin i was mad and a little scared about leaving my name and email.


Jim   November 19th, 2008 8:25 am ET

Lisa, I believe you should get your facts straight before reporting. You say that cops interview people all the time and in the middle of the interview they become suspects and then they (the cops) have to stop and Mirandize them. Brush up on your law Lisa, have you heard of "In custudy"? If a person reasonably believes they are free to leave and not "in custody", Miranda does not have to be read.


Linda   November 19th, 2008 8:27 am ET

A 8 yr old boy knows how to shoot a gun???Just another glass of ice water in the face to those that keep training their boys that to be a man means hunting,fishing,and never crying.Whats wrong with teaching them to be human,At 8 yrs old he should have been involved in school activitys,coloring , playing with cars and trucks,Being a child.Waiting for Santa Clause to come for Gods sake!!,And as for the officers that did their so called questioning ,Did they not know he was 8 yrs old,and where is his mother???Why has she not came and took the boy and talked with him,Seems to me this has been like a bag over the boys head,And it only gets worse...Was his prints on the gun?did he have blood on his clothes? was their gun power on his hands???So many things not being answered,Do your job.....


Brandy   November 19th, 2008 9:12 am ET

It is sad that the way our society is today, that we can point the finger at an 8 year old so easily without remorse. I would like to know who else was interogatted? How about the mother and step mother? Also, are the details that the little boy gave at the beginning of the investigation being looked into or pushed aside? Any typical 8 year old is going to confess just because they want to go home and be left alone. At 8 years old, they do not understand the consequences for their actions especially murder. I thought you are innocent until proven guilty....so, why is this little boy being held. I believe that law enforcement is putting this on the little boy because he is a easy target and can close the case faster. Someone needs to get to investigating before pointing fingers!!!!


Anna   November 19th, 2008 10:14 am ET

Dear Lisa,

There's something very strange about this case.

But I do have to ask. What's with all the re-run court trials?


Daniel R. Martin   November 19th, 2008 10:23 am ET

This is a disgraceful way for an 8 year old boy to be interrogated. I want to know how a Police Department could show such incompetence. It further shows that the Prosecutor also should share an amount of culpability in allowing this case to go forward. Didn't they know that this boy was not represented either by a guardian or legal representation. This case should make all of us to be concerned about our vulnerability in a society ruled by lawless police authority. Now, this has been going on in minority communities ever since i remember, and I'm 73 years old


Paul   November 19th, 2008 11:18 am ET

Well thats the thing! I havent heard any other discussion of the evidence, are they going on anything else besides this highly questionable confession? Because if they are not there is a serious problem!


txkboy   November 19th, 2008 11:30 am ET

What were the police thinking when they began questioning of a minor without representation? Certainly, they expected this question to be raised. Hmmm.


Joy   November 19th, 2008 1:31 pm ET

I am not saying that the child is guilty but I am sure that the police have more to go on than what the media knows.


Carolyn Antell   November 19th, 2008 2:01 pm ET

Having lived in Denver since 1993, I have seen the Denver Police Dept. literally MURDER several innocent people and get away with it.
The Dept. has been taken to court in lawsuit after lawsuit.
Also, just saw in the Denver Post, where several of those cases ended in the Police Dept. being found guilty and taxpayer's monies were used to compensate the innocent. Colorado law enforcement has a bad reputation for..."shoot first & ask questions later". In 2003, in Steamboat Sprs. /Routt County Colorado, Sherrif's Dept...my 16 yr. old son was taken in and held behind locked doors without a phone call & questioned without my permission for over 90 minutes, as I tried to gain entrance from the lobby. When inside, the Swat Officer tried to intimidate us with a tampered-with drug pee cup. and threats. When I got a lawyer, called the officer and the Dept. on it...my son's case was 100% dropped and I was advised NOT to contact the newspapers. The young Sherrif did not get fired nor suspended, that I know of. I took my son and left town permanently in order to protect him & me from more dangerous harrassment. As we were leaving, The townspeople hired a detective to look into Routt Ct. Sherrif's and Steamboat Police Dept.'s and had a public hearing regarding the
continual harrassment of kids in particular.


Miriam   November 19th, 2008 3:20 pm ET

This case is so ridiculous. It is disgusting. The police should be held on internal disciplineary action for not having some type of adult representative for this child.


Catwoman   November 19th, 2008 6:24 pm ET

This is the biggest bunch of garbage I have seen in a long time. When I first read about this boy, I thought it was horrible and tragic, but I was thinking the police were telling the truth, and the boy had done what they actually said he did. I didn't want to watch the video because I thought it would be too horrible, but with all the commentary here, I thought I'd go ahead and watch. I have to say, that I believe what the boy first said. He is firm that he did not kill his father. When the officers push him, he changes his story, but he's saying "I think" - which is a child's way of trying to say what an adult wants him too. These officers should be fired. They broke all of the rules when it comes to a child. I hate the way the police intimidate kids. When my son was 16, one of his friends had run away from a facility, and so the Mom gave the police all of the addresses of his friends. I was out for the evening, and my son and a couple of his friends were hanging out at my house. The police came to my house, and actually told my son that they wanted to search it for the missing boy. He was led to believe that if he had nothing to hide, he would let them in - so he did. They searched my house without my permission, and without the presence of an adult. Total garbage. I'm beginning to think that the police all have a god complex. They think they can do anything they want.


lcwd   November 19th, 2008 6:55 pm ET

lets wake kids are smarter than we think these days


Laura   November 19th, 2008 7:37 pm ET

I am very disheartened to say that after seeing several of these cases, that I have told my teenaged kids that if they witness a crime, they should refuse to answer any police questions about it unless the police are in hot pursuit and my kid can tell them which way a suspect ran or what he was wearing. In every other case, I tell my kid that you cannot assume anymore that the cops are honest, and if you talk to them at all, it is quite possible they will try to pin the crime on you just because they see an opportunity. It's sad, but the evidence is overwhelming. How many innocent people are sitting in jail because of police work like this?


ski2xs   November 19th, 2008 8:59 pm ET

Not to target any particular person commenting here, but if you honestly don't believe that they (police) would attempt to pin this on an 8y/o in order to 'solve' a murder. . . then your seriously naive.

I don't see demons behind every bush, but when your entire life is devoted to 'prosecute, prosecute, prosecute', one can't help but become skewed in that direction devoid of who the 'suspect' is.

Police in this case should have NEVER continued in the line of questioning they did. I'm not saying this child did or did not do this. . .but if he DID. . .they just lost the case entirely. They were stupid! Nuff' said.


sonya   November 19th, 2008 9:28 pm ET

I personally feel that this little boy wasn't the only one involved. The police did a very rush job in investigating. The families really need someone to step in and help them. The police do need to step up their game. Everything just doesn't feel right.


Katrina   November 19th, 2008 10:09 pm ET

Jim,
Instead of criticizing Lisa's reporting skills and knowledge of the law, why don't you brush up on some common sense? You say:

Brush up on your law Lisa, have you heard of “In custudy”? If a person reasonably believes they are free to leave and not “in custody”, Miranda does not have to be read.

Do you honestly believe that an eight-year-old has the intelligence to know when/if they are "free to leave and not in custody"? That's the dumbest comment I've ever heard.


Tom M   November 19th, 2008 10:21 pm ET

unbelievable. I'm generally a supporter of police, but criminy people, it's been 42 (forty-two) years since Miranda. Seems like considering how much we're paying for police services they could at least know the basics.


Jorge Zeledon   November 19th, 2008 10:42 pm ET

It is unethical the way the officer conducted the questioning. It sounded to me like child abuse, mental abuse. The officer was "grooming the kid" no different than a sex predator to a child victim. A child psychologist should have been consulted. It is also inexcusable that there was not a guardian ad liten for that child with the same level of cognition as the interrogating officer who would have been representing the child's interest. In my opinion the suffering the child saw in his father when he found him dead bleeding is what made him confess to shooting him, he wanted to appear as a hero. It is also physically impossible, for a lone child to shoot and dominate 2 adult males simultaneously. The child would have been restrained by either one not being shot first. IT'S COMMON SENSE. And where is the powder residue lab results for the childs hand? I am outraged. I trust that the judicial system will be fair to this child.


Susan   November 19th, 2008 11:33 pm ET

This Arizona police department is corrupt. It's scary when they can take an eight year old child put him in jail and want to try him as an adult. Is that police work? What can we do to change these laws?


Cathy   November 19th, 2008 11:55 pm ET

Where is the right of the child? It is ABSURD that they are still locking him up. There is no doubt in my mind that the police department involved need to be disciplined. Anybody in the right mind can see that they were coersing the kid, that they did not follow the right procedure, and they should have known better.
Who is responsible for locking up the guns? The adults, of course. Are we worse than some third world countries that we, ourselves don't know right from wrong, and that it is WRONG to charge a minor of this age of any criminal activities!!!


Angie   November 20th, 2008 1:42 am ET

Joy and Holly, I too used to believe that there must be more evidence in cases like this-but I am not that naive anymore. If you've ever been to a court trial and been privy to all the information and evidence that is recieved by a jury or been a juror, you will know that innocent people are found quilty and quilty people are found innocent every day. It all depends on who the attorneys are-who the jurors are-who the victim is- who the suspect is-and what part of the country you are in. If there are no reliable eye-witnesses, then it's anybody's guess and you can get a hundreds of different opinions. As far as this case is concerned, there's is no excuse for charging an eight year old boy within 48 hours of his own father's death. Where is the compassion? This is totally insane! It is apparent on the tape that the officers had already decided this boy was quilty before they even started the "interview". I never heard a real confession. After they suggested he could have accidently shot them and that someone said that he did, then he said he "may" have shot them a second time after they had already been shot (by someone else) and were on the floor because he didn't want his father to suffer and the other guy was on the floor shaking. If he did it, he needs help, not jail. How does he know what "juvy" is anyway at eight years old and why would anyone have guns around an eight year old, much less teach him him how to use it and kill with it?


Jackie   November 20th, 2008 2:52 am ET

Ok first, I would like to say that an interrogation of an 8yr old is not absurd but, by all means demands careful consideration. we don't have a fix on how an 8 yr old will respond to such questioning. I don't think this is something that happens everyday. I am a grandmother and although my granddaughter is 14 she isn't as mature as some of the girls her age. we can't say that this boy understood anything that was happening. He should have, at the first sign that he may be a suspect, been given an attorney and a psychological evaluation. A parent or guardian should have been there of course. And that brings me to his mom...like where the heck is she during all this? There is no way that I am going to let my child be interrogated or questioned without me in the room. And although I haven't been following it that close, I don't think I have seen one picture of the mother... is there one?


Laris   November 20th, 2008 8:19 am ET

Personally, I question the child's calmness. I've heard plenty of kids go through the same "I think I may have" or "..it sort of kind of broke.." or "I don't know" or my favorite, the sudden forgetfulness of what they're talking about. I've heard plenty of kids use these to get out of whatever punishment they know they're about to get. Also, if he cried for 30 minutes .. why isn't he crying now? If I lost my father like that, you'd bet it would be hard to talk about it, even under those circumstances.

There again, I question how the police handle everything. No miranda rights? Kids should be taught this, if they're not, go back to the school system and don't keep quiet until this is changed. No parent/guardian? Half way through the first half of the tape, you hear a cough. Someone is either in the room with them, or just outside with a door cracked/thin door. As I read else where, they should test the boy's hands for power burns. If it was his gun already, finger prints will be useless.

No, this case has a lot more information that we're just not privvy to. I without my judgement for now, but we shall see which way the pendulum swings.


John Lennon   November 20th, 2008 8:45 am ET

At first i wanted to blame the violent video games teaching kids to kill but while reading all the write ins here has me convinced that the police are probably trying to cover up for what they did themselves. When my step son was 17years old, the police stopped him for a light out on his car, searched the car and when they found no drugs they threw down their own drugs. He went to court, got 3 months in jail, 4 months in probationary boot camp, 3 months in rehab and 3 years probation. With that i believe police can be pretty dirty!!! I hope the truth comes out in this 8 year olds favor.


Jen   November 20th, 2008 9:06 am ET

This little boys should of never been shown how to shoot a gun, killing rabbits and birds, that is cruel. Why were loaded guns available around the home? This is a 8 year old little boy...I don't beleive he did this but if he did then there was abuse. I feel it was abusive just taking him out at 8 years old to shoot birds and rabbits ect and watch them suffer how damaging to a child, his dad probably told him if the rabbit is suffering and not dead yet shoot it again, so that's where he came up with the story that his dad was shaking so he was suffering and shot him. I don't know what happened but I feel the little boy is being treated unfairly and I just wonder why his Mother, Grandparents, Step Mother don't want full custody of him – I have no respect for them whatsoever, I find this horrible.


Prema   November 20th, 2008 9:45 am ET

uh Holly–they want to try him as an adult–i guess that means they are trying to pin it on him!!


Barb Townsend   November 20th, 2008 10:00 am ET

I HOPE HEADS ROLL over the way these policemen acted, and also the judge who allowed the tape to go to press should be given the boot. I do not know if the boy has a parent or guardian but lawsuits need to be filed and he needs a really good lawyer.The two officers clearly broke the law by interrogating a child for four hours without an adult family member present with him, and without him having legal counsel with him. It is a documented fact that when police or psychiatrists keep a young child in their custody, even if it is on a cushy chair -that the child is actually terrified and will begin to agree to whatever the interrogating adults are suggesting of him. The McMartin Preschool case is an example of that. Separate case: There are two sets of parents who spent over a dozen years in prison until their boys were finally old enough to realize fully what had happened -the boys realized they had been coerced and terrified into telling psychiatrists that their parents had done all manner of horrible things. The psychiatrists were feeding the information to those boys demanding they go along with the outrageous story. Being hung from ceiling whips and chains and molested. Later when the boys grew up a little they told a relative none of that had ever happened. They said they were so terrified – like a kidnap syndrome – they were afraid they would not leave that room until they cooperated with police and psychiatrists. Their parents were prosecuted and the boys spent the rest of their childhood in foster care. In this case with the little boy he is pressured and badgered into saying what they suggested. At first the boys states calmly simply that he had found his father dead. After four hours he had admitted to shooting the two men. Is it possible the boy shot and killed the two men? Possible but not. His rights have already been terribly violated, including the release of his interrogation video to the press. He should be released into a secure care place for kids and allowed to get schooling and a sheltered life pending a grand jury investigation. He should not be being locked up in a child jail and assumed guilty. Why isn't a judge putting a gag order on this? Please a good lawyer step forward. Pro Bono.


Mr Ski   November 20th, 2008 10:09 am ET

Being from AZ all I know is what I read in the papers. What I read is that the Community of St. Johns has pronounced the dead saints and the boy guilty. The local media has had a lot to do with that


Linda   November 20th, 2008 11:14 am ET

I am appauled in that in this day and age of law enforcement scrutiny and practices, that any law enforcement official would compose an interogation on an 8 yr old child without benefit of an adult representative of that child; lawyer, mother etc.. And to use the excuse that the interview just turned into a confession is just that; an excuse. This happens ALL the time, when interviews turn into confessions and there is very definate protocol that must be followed and it was not.


Grace   November 20th, 2008 11:45 am ET

Shame on those police officers for conducting this interrogation (and having the gall to call it an "interview") without a parent or lawyer present, although you can bet the questioning would have been quite different if the boy's mother or a lawyer had been present. Anyone else notice that he seemed to be telling them what he thought he should/what they wanted to hear? I hope these police officers are disciplined for showing such poor judgment – even if they are 100% certain he did it, they screwed up the state's case in conducting their "interview" this way.


j   November 20th, 2008 12:03 pm ET

If a person reasonably believes they are free to leave and not “in custody”, Miranda does not have to be read.

are you saying that an 8 year old with no parent present felt that he was free to leave when he was surrounded by police officers?


Linda Watson   November 20th, 2008 1:06 pm ET

There was a similar case in Chicago where police interrogated two eight year olds without parents or lawyers present. The police got those boys to confess to the rape and murder of an eleven year old girl. DNA later cleared the boys. Anyone with the brains God gave a goat would know that any child in that situation would tell the police whatever they think the police wanted to hear. Those officers should be suspended for their actions.
Also, even if he did it, no eight year old has the emotional maturity to form the requisite intent to commit murder. It is called the justice system for a reason and there can be no true justice in trying an eight year old as an adult. What he would need is intense therapy, both social and psychological.


brock   November 20th, 2008 7:55 pm ET

I am gonna say one thing this kid is going down i been framed before and he dont even know whats happening cops cant be trusted no of them


Sharon Griffiths   November 22nd, 2008 4:24 am ET

PLEASE PLEASE, somebody help this little boy!!! I hope he has competent lawyers, he is going to need them.
I too believed his first accounting of his story, the,, the longer they talked to him, they got him to change it. I would like to know how long the actual interrogation went on, not just the length of the film, the actual amount of time they worked on him to get out of him what they wanted to hear.


heartinflag   November 22nd, 2008 1:48 pm ET

I think it is extremely sad. I just cannot imagine how an 8 year old child could do what they are saying he did. Something is not right. He is so confused now I don't think he knows what to say or exactly what happend as it seems he has been given "leading" questions. It has made him look guilty when he may not be guilty. When he talks about putting them out of their suffering "jen" made a good comment about how you don't know what the father may have taught him about hunting and animals and how you are supposed to put them out of their misery if they have been shot and are dying. I am also wondering why there is no adult there to be with him to support him. I just can't understand the whole handling of the situation. I am praying for this child and his situation it is very heartbreaking.


anchorite   November 23rd, 2008 7:00 pm ET

Absolutely the cops would pin it on an 8 year old. In Chicago the cops pinned the kidnapping, rape, and murder of a young girl on her two older brothers who hadn't even reached puberty yet. They didn't even witness the crime, and yet they both confessed because over the course of many many hours of interrogation, with no lawyers or parents present, they were broken down by police. Later a homeless man was arrested and convicted on blood and other actual evidence. The idea that a lawyer would not be in the room for an 8 year old being questioned over such a serious crime tells me the police do not think they can play fair and still get a conviction. Something is wrong here.


Kree   November 24th, 2008 3:07 am ET

Our justice system sucks. These officers should be terminated. And sued by the boy's family for defamation and abuse. No way he shot the two adult males. For his sake, I hope he gets home soon, and that his mother is strong enough to overcome all this. He will never be the same.


janet   November 24th, 2008 4:46 am ET

we say at least it was all videotaped so a judge can see, but i am worried as who knows if the judge has any sense. if it the same judge as before he doesn't as look where the little boy still is? I am just literally sick about this.


janet   November 24th, 2008 4:52 am ET

grace, i hope the law officers are fired and arrested themselves . should have no trial for abusing an 8 year old. just convicted and put in the worse prison out there and let the general prison poplulation take care of them. this is pure child abuse in every way, just done by a badge~~ i wish i lived there as i would protest the heck out of this police station and get everyone i could to join me. I would scream it to the roof tops to all the news channels as well and keep on from there. this baby needs to go home and now.


Carrie   November 26th, 2008 8:55 am ET

This is a really sad story... but i truely believe that the police in this case would make an 8 yr old feel and make him think he killed his dad and his dads friend... look at what happened to Michael Crowe... they did the same thing to that boy making him think he killed his own sister... After the cops lying to Michael and telling him they found his sisters blood in his room which was a lie by the way Michael believed it because thats what the police told him and his parents were not in the room with him when he was being questioned. So which i think what we didnt see on those tapes with the little 8 yr old was the cops making him think he did it.


Mann   December 2nd, 2008 5:39 pm ET

children are so desensitized to violence that I can see one making a mistake like this; if he in fact did it. Why would a parent show a child how to load a shotgun and shoot it? He should not be tried as an adult however. Scince shows us that the frontal lobe of a child, the area of the brain that regulates temperment, reason, consequences of action, is in development. This child, needs help. Why do prosecuters believe that trynig this immature child as an adult is just? Scince shows that this is not the path to go.


Dave In Montreal   December 2nd, 2008 10:11 pm ET

Two female cops – each pretending to be "maternal" in an effort to elicit a confession from an 8 year old that had NO adult representation. Makes me hope that when all is said and done, they are investigated. And if they have children of their own, the child protective services takes a good long hard look at them.

Child abuse, that tape was. Plain and simple. Any parent – well, REAL parent, would know by sheer common sense that a child that age NEEDS adult representation – cop or not. I've heard the same "I think..." statements from my own 8 year old when I confront him with something he may or may not have done – and there have been times where he did not – when I ask him leading questions. But that was when I asked him if he peed in the pool – not MURDER.

I thought cops were trained better, regardless of what backwater, hillbilly, cousin-lovin' community they were from... And St. John's Arizona ain't *that* backwater. How do those cops sleep at night, knowing they bullied an 8 year old while a real criminal could be walking free?

Did the kid do it – who knows? Maybe yes, maybe no. We will never know now – that poor kid's been tried and convicted before he even got a trial, and not a single member of his own family stepped up – and there are more questions than answers. But those cops, and several people posting "comments" already have Ol' Sparky polished up and waiting for his youngest victim. I weep for "our future".



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